LET'S DO THIS AGAIN, NO NUKES, A WAR BETWEEN THE USA vs RUSSIA AND CHINA

WHO WINS? WHY? IF SHTF WHO WHERE WOULD IT LIKELY BE FOUGHT? STRAIGHT UP COMBAT, AIR LAND, SEA AND SPACE WHO HAS THE CAPABILITIES TO COMMAND THIS FIERCE STRUGGLE?

Russia and China. Because they are not in debt to the US

Chinks cant win wars.
Both USA and Russia will not be able to defeat each other due to geographical positions.

Russia would singlehandedly BTFO you, no problems. Ther don't need China. With China it would be total humiliation

Debt plays no role.
We're talking all out war no nukes

Fuck off OP. Stop spreading disinfo.

Xi, Putin and Trump are working together.

>cause debt means shit when you're at war with the guy you owe money to

Fuck Israel

But that debt is held in USD...

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It's not disinformation, it's hypothetical user

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Neither side "wins". US wouldn't be able to invade Russia/China and vice versa.

So make your hypothetical war based in reality. The sides would be Russia, China and USA vs whoever is still a kike puppet.

No it doesn't. The shit has hit the fan in this scenario, all bets are off

Where at tho? If us attacked US wins, if Asia attacked. Asia wins.
Easy. The powers that be know this, that is why it hasn't happened yet.

This is the correct answer, USA couldn't handle the terrain/weather in Asia, and China/Russia, couldn't invade the US, due to citizens being armed to the teeth.

The only way they'd get within 2,000 miles of the US mainland is on a fucking submarine, idiot.

yes, corporations would abandon your country and you would have no production.

Shit hits the fan user. War is declared unilaterally. Which side do you think would invade which? Try to analyze the decision making for each side.

My guess would be US would be the invader just based on our history of aggression

Do you mean US and allies or just the US?

The war would be fought in the frigid waters of the northern Russian archipelago for control of the Arctic Circle's vast resources.

>Superior navy vs. acclimated vlads
This battle would be a coin flip

China would immediately squash NK in the ensuing furor, then likely stay out of conflicts. South China Sea is still edgy with the US as China continues to expand island network

Losing all of the bases in Eurasia is a win for russians

Please tell me you're not actually this retarded...

Let just assume for this discussion it's US alone. I know that's probably not feaseable, but for this arguments sake USA alone

I'm going to point out this thread is retarded and I put sage in options.

US easily. Your navy basically controls all the trade routes and you have airbases literally everywhere. It literally doesnt matter how much infantry china can shit, doesnt mean a damn if you cant transport them anywhere.

US doesn't need to invade china... it can effectively blockade them and crush theireconomy... and yes our economy may take a hit but it will recover quickly.

as for ruskies same thing contain them economically wont be as easy but can be done.... anyways all this will lead to nukes

For sure, but OP never defined winning conditions. I just assumed them to be WW2 style surrender.

you do realize that companies are shifting to China Right?

Also, if humanity gets a solid foothold in space before any major wars would stunt technological progress, we could begin to see the development of orbital weapons platforms, extralunar/extraplanetary bases, and fights for resource-rich asteroids

Israel wins in the end

US couldn't afford extra continental war against the russians alone. and would lose all of the bases. That would be good for us to be far from the jew

US airforce and Navy could btfo both Russia and China at the same time. I'm not saying it wouldn't be bloodless, but China could be cut off from the foreign resources they need via naval blockade, Russia simply doesn't have the manpower or industry any longer to pull off a WW2 like war.

Who is invading who?

dont you think that ruskies would start to take over east Europe?

Hard to say with China, their capabilities have been tested/ shown lately.

Russia on the other hand is a joke, most of it's Naval Fleet has to travel with Tugs because they break down all the time.

Look at their actions in Syria, they are dropping dumb bombs because their guided missiles can't hit shit.

That is a question as part of the discussion. Based on current leadership and history who do you think would invade who?

>Toss-up naval war
I'd give the US around an 90% chance to win the naval war thanks to better tech and the fact we'd have air superiority. The US has more and better aircraft carriers than both China and Russia combined.

this is from 2014, china got another one but USA also added its first Gerald Ford class.

>talks about be far from the jew while using an EU flag

>USA couldn't handle the terrain/weather in Asia, and China/Russia,
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA... oh boy... wow...

>losing all bases in Eurasia

You mean the ones based in other countries? Yeah I'm sure the countries hosting us will just sit there and let Russia and China role their militaries through to get to our bases.

US will win because of logistics and the carriers
Russia and China have no possibility to land on US homeland while the US can invade from every sport that has some kind of connection to an ocean

>russia vs. US
The US have a massive economy - they can stomp entire new armies out of the ground
russia can only use what they have - they cannot replace them in numbers if these few modern t90 and Su27 are lost
russia will equip their soldiers with raw potatoes to charge american tanks after 4 weeks of war

china vs. US
China is depending on food supplies from the US, a cut in these and the chinks are going to starve - there is no reason to fire even a single shot to make them to submit

let them have it for themselves. they are just some useless slav monkeys. Russia taking over Europe is not that bad. Would be better than american kikery

The EU flag is a catholic symbol. is the crown of Virgin Mary

This is going to be a politically incorrect and unpopular response but...

Don't start any major wars unless you get the 'Alt-Right' on board otherwise they'll shut down the war effort and/or start shenanigans after the conflict. They'll be like the Bolsheviks but even more effective. So Trump is an advantage to lead the conflict because he prevents that.

And even then the US has advantage as long as it has reserve currency status and China hasn't developed it's military too far. Without its reserve currency status, it won't be able to afford the military to beat Russia and China.

But beyond that, it's a rather meaningless gesture because there are so many other factors involved.

comparison

I would think both russia snd china with other forces would mount some sort of a normandy type invasion.

Without total annihilation, it would be a war that would last for a 1000 years.

In general, the best chance for fending off the US would be to invest in SAM capability and hyper-sonic missle tech. What two countries are famous for doing that? oh yeah

>role
fuck I'm tried but you know what I meant.

No one wins when nukes are involved. Mutually Assured Destruction. When the US launches nukes to kill of Russia or China, sure the US could "win" by annihilating all major cities, but Russia and China will no doubtably launch their's. Assuming our missile defense shield is even good enough to eliminate half, or being generous, 75% of the missiles, certain cities will be effaced. On top of that radiation debris will spread far and wide, fucking over crops and people. It's a choice between dying immediately, or slowly dying due to a lagging economy, food shortages, etc.

I advocate for subversive tactics to take down both of them. Using that, you can gain an ally, and once you have an ally, you win the war.

You are clueless and vastly underestimating the USA's military power. The technology is not even in the same decade of the opponents. The USA spent 611 Billion on Military defense. That is what China, Russia, and 6 other countries combined spent. Keep underestimating the true power of the USA, from your shithole countries fake news perspectives,but know this, none of you mother fuckers want a piece of the ass whooping that would occur if you crossed us. USA USA USA!!!!!!1

>Russia fits ICBMs with FOAB thermobaric weapon
>fires all at American military bases and populated cities

Bye bye America

haha found the ruskie! i say that because you have no pride, even true Euros believers have some.. i think?

>tankers
>transport

these are the huge advantage to the logistics of war. can't fight a war without fuel and constant supply chain

>American companies move manufacturing to china
>won't help their own country because US owes China money
Think it through bud. If we go to war, they won't be based in china for long, and if they move there for good, fuck em.

good luck with that, when the US Navy is the only real Blue Water navy in existence, and at that is about the size of the rest of the world's navies combined.

Someone answer the real question.
How would Russia and China even hope to invade mainland USA?

That assumes the US will even WANT to fight the war, especially at this scale.

did we have reserve currency during WW1 and 2

It's impossible.

U.S would have more capability to do so. They actually have the ability to project force anywhere in the world. They probably couldn't win a war of attrition against them though.

Hey man can you explain to me how Trump isn't a kike stooge? This is always funny.

I was hypatheticaly thinking. Tfw no red dawn senario.

Provided your main f22 interceptor melts under rain and your main g35 fighter isnt working , at all, africa has a better air force than us. But if you pit teen series, us is unmatched. Your call. Memes or results.

China would definitely fall over a prolonged war with the US since everything of importance there is next to the sea.

Russia is tougher to call though, unless US has support of its European allies it would be very tough for them to make significant gains, though it would certainly be incredibly bloody on both sides.

I don't think US mainland would ever be threatened besides Alaska and Hawaii.

lol chill, user. Our military only costs that much bc the defense contractors are allowed to charge whatever the fuck they please. Russia gets more bang for their buck no doubt. The S-300/400 would cost billions if it were American-produced.

you should add that most equipment of the russians is old as fuck, while the US throws everything away what is a bit older than 30years
Its the same with their tank force - all MBT of the US is basically modern and can be modernized within 6 months in the case of a full blown war
russia has ~500 T90 of all variants with no means to replace them

he said no nukes you tard

seeWhat are Israel's interests? There are three.
1: Expand Greater Israel.
2: Prevent Iran from achieving nuclear power.
3: Dismantle and disrupt coherent secular Muslim countries in the region.

Trump has already destroyed two of these interests. By vetoing any war against Iran and Syria, he has completely ruined Israel's path to success on point 2 and 3. Syria is the backbone of anti-zionist resistance in the Middle East, and Iran is the brain stem. So long as those two states are intact, Iran will achieve nuclear weapons by 2030. When Iran has nukes, Israel is fucked. They will be rolled back to their heartland and continue to suffer demographic decline until they cease to exist, or they will be nuked. There is no win strategy for Israel once Iran is nuclear. Trump could "renegotiate" the Iran deal 500 times, there is no way to prevent them from arming without physically destabilizing the country, and that requires boots on the ground or CIA intervention which the Russians will prevent. It took years of effort and enormous amounts of money to spark the puny uprising in Syria and that has already begun to collapse now that Hillary has been disabled

Point 1 has also been handled perfectly. Obama has stuck in the knife, and Trump doesn't need to twist it, he just needs not to pull it out--and he won't. Trump will seek to "negotiate" something with the Palestinians. Israel doesn't want negotiation they want submission. Without it their efforts will be hampered and they will be unable to extend their reach to Iran

Eternal stalemate. Best case scenario is Russia or China take the other out and are stalemated by American Navy

Now let us look at this from the Israeli side. The UN has turned against them. They were expecting a bought-and-paid-for stooge like Hillary to back their interests by destroying Syria and giving them a route to seize the South and to infiltrate Iran.

Instead they get Trump, who is nominally on their side but who in reality has already ruined their last-ditch effort to bring down Assad. This is the problem: They cannot chastize Trump for anything he does because he is the only one who is even NOMINALLY on his side. They have to take whatever table scraps he throws them and smile, or else he might turn on them. The problem here is that there's nothing he will do for them that will solve their problems.

Here is the key: Israel is living on borrowed time. Every minute that we are not actively hacking away at Iran's buffer of stable states is a minute that the Iranians get to work on their nuclear program while pretending to be building reactors or whatever. Trump will "renegotiate" the deal with them but he'll focus on the money we gave them, rather than taking actual steps to fuck with their programs, because Trump has prioritized positive relations with Putin over positive relations with Israel.

Putin's geopolitical interests do not align perfectly with ours in most regards, but in THIS regard they do, and Israel is the eternal fucking albatross around our neck that needs to be thrown into the sea. If Trump steers the course he will be a disaster for Israel and our problems in the Middle East will reach a timely, pleasant conclusion.

The short version: Trump is a poison pill for the ZOG machine. They needed a Hillary or a Romney or a Bush but they got Trump, and it's going to destroy them.

It would never be 1v1 Russia v America
Both countries would have many allies
Te question is what team would win

It's different user. The military industrial complex was far less...decadent... the nation was far more... unified... and the economy itself was industrial, not financial. Three reasons why we need to be reserve currency status to wage the kind of war you are talking about,

A World War 2 America beats the shit out of a Globalist America in terms of waging war.

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The only thing you could do is try and starve the population of Asia using targeted bombing/blockades. The US Navy/Airforce is definitely capable of that.

>no longer has a nuclear deterrent because they have no vehicle to carry their warheads
I know OP scenario forbids nukes, but the Russians in this scenario don't know they're in that scenario. They wouldn't waste all of their ICBMs like that.

>Implying China gives two shits about the well-being of its people

>China
>Declaring war on the US
>To support Russia
This is retarded and makes zero sense. China has far more to lose and next to nothing to gain by fighting the US and NATO.

tfw our f-18s are still more than enough to deal with them

Politicians hold back the US military from being able to properly engage.

Come in from the north.


Alaska and Russia are a stone's throw away from each other.

No other country on the planet has anything close to the black projects the usa govt has at their disposal. usa wins hands down.

You fucktards really do think that orange buffoon is a tough guy... The pathetic cunt is a complete pussy who hasn't worked a day in his life, hasn't done anything of actual value ever, and has no curiosity about the world beyond his shitheaded ego.

YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKED.

Russia coudnt even take on Georgia

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besides, EVERYONE know mericunts cheat!

nukes on brah! nukes on my nigger!

come to think of it, vlad and xi won't hesitate to go tactical!

as the saying goes, no shit sherlock!

It has nothing to do with Trump. USA has the smartest generals/admirals in the World

Fuck off kike.

Wrong. Us is running on teen series that are 20-40 yo planes. Your whole post is cancer. Youtube is not a source for info. If new f15 and f16 are built, with modern software and hardware, then us rule. Unmatched. But its not happening.

This. The american defense industry is a scam.
>oy vey, the more money you spend, the better protected you are
Also the whole "america is decades ahead" is also a lie. Propaganda for that matter. Other countries, particilarly russia and china, have proven that they are just as capable.

Because manufacturing is cheaper, they still sell all of their shit to the US, bc we have the largest market in the world. Economically speaking the smarter choice would be to move manufacturing to another 3rd world shithole which is already going on, and continuing to sell to the US, so really China would suffer a lot more economically. Also the US economy is so much more diversified then china that it could survive even if all the companies left, while China has utterly fucked itself on that front.

This is not a slide thread leaf!

Bump

I'm portuguese

this, there is a reason why other countries spend a shitload of money to send their officers to be future generals to places like West Point.

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BOOM baby, BOOM!

Even if the opponents use nukes they will never reach the usa. The real issue is when the usa reveal their true military might the rest of the world would be absolutely terrified and paint America as a bully and tyrant and resort to shaming tactics.

What does this have to do with anything?

jews only care about themselves and the US is just a puppet on the string. they don't care about you a bit