Howitzer tanks from the US army redeployed to Bavaria from Poland were stopped on the German autobahn on the weekend after the police checked the Polish transport logistics companies licenses which resulted in various violations.
NATO's "ability to logistically support rapid reinforcement in the much-expanded territory covering SACEUR's (Supreme Allied Commander Europe) area of operation has been atrophied since the end of the Cold War," according to an NATO internal report seen by Der Spiegel in late 2017.
Such barriers could complicate any mobilization NATO needed to carry out during peacetime.
While restrictions on movement between countries could, in theory, be lifted in the event of war, it's not clear that would actually happen, according to senior US military officials.
"Even if a war were to break out, that wouldn't mean that the rules would be lifted," US Army Gen. Steven Shapiro, head of logistics for the US Army in Europe, told Der Spiegel in October.
"Anybody that thinks, 'Don't worry, we'll be able to drive anywhere' — not true," retired US Army Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges said late last year, when he was head of the US Army in Europe.
"Anybody who thinks you’ll be able to fly anywhere at night — not true," Hodges said. "Everything we do prior to declaration of [NATO's collective-defense provision] is going to be done in peacetime conditions."
> "Even if a war were to break out, that wouldn't mean that the rules would be lifted," US Army Gen. Steven Shapiro, head of logistics for the US Army in Europe, told Der Spiegel in October. Of course it would be (((Shapiro))). What a non-issue
Camden Davis
Two things spring to mind;
>Keep cycling yourself Germany, in the event of a major war you're shaping up to be France 3.0.
>Why the US military thinks it can roll around behaving like its wartime during peacetime, and then getting into a tantrum when they discover countries have rules they need to abide by as guests, is beyond me.
Jeremiah Gonzalez
I thought Germany was like Puerto Rico. It's not a state, but we kind of own it.
Parker Watson
I think what General Shapiro of the logisitics department means is that if say a war in Iraq or with Iran breaks out, German police would still stop US army and airforce equipment transported or flown through German territory and will require all necessary licenses.
This actually does stop rapid deployment of US forces for Middle Eastern wars.
In the past, the US has just ignore local requirements. E.g. both Switzerland and Austria deem it illegal for US war aircraft to fly through their airspace to reach Italian airforce bases from German airforce bases. So US aircraft would actually have to fly through France to Italy or through Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia to get to Italy. But during rapid deployments, the US just ignore the neutrality of both Switzerland and Austria.
Evan Campbell
>I thought Germany was like Puerto Rico. It's not a state, but we kind of own it.
Less like Puerto Rico and more like Iraq. You sort of own Iraq and Germany, but the locals are still fucking you over by making your life there problematic.
Aiden Martin
heh fuckin rekt cunts
Aaron Hall
>germans creating problems out of thin air to piss off Poland and USA nothing new
Cameron Ramirez
I guess if Austria and Switzerland wanted to do something about it they will have to start putting S400's on mountain tops and in valleys.
That or Europe should now that we have the chance tell America to fuck off with its irrational fear of Russia and that we no longer want/need us bases in our countries.
Nathan Price
I'm pretty sure if you are driving a Howitzer tank, and you really want to, you just go wherever the fuck you want.
Tyler Ramirez
> US Army Gen. Steven Shapiro, head of logistics If the US ever clashes with Israel, I hope they will do it with weeks of supplies already on-place.
Isaiah Evans
>>germans creating problems out of thin air to piss off Poland and USA >nothing new Yes, and this is why the US is about to shift most of its occupation troops in Germany to Poland and the Baltics. Only army hospitals and logistics will remain in Germany.
The weekend will be marked with celebration throughout Poland. US troops are arriving and will be given a hero's welcome. It is an historic moment. The last time foreign soldiers were greeted by a majority of Poles was more than 200 years ago. Then, it was Napoleon's army. Shifting the US military presence from Germany, where 36,000 soldiers are based, to Eastern Europe has been long under discussion. Germany no longer needed defending once the Iron Curtain fell, and it was expensive to maintain such a large presence there. Nothing changed on the ground, however, until Russia annexed Crimea in 2014. That led Poland's Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski to request two US brigades for more protection.
Jace Roberts
>implying the EU could stop American forces from moving if they wanted to
Idk why we're protecting euroshits anyway. They're literally useless because they export nothing of value.
Daniel Butler
>I guess if Austria and Switzerland wanted to do something about it they will have to start putting S400's on mountain tops and in valleys.
Mostly, they are trying with radar and with alarm starts checking civilian planes flying through (with US stealth aircraft hiding behind civilian aircraft).
Austrian Draken intercepted F-117s during the early stages of the Iraq war in 2002 hiding behind licensed flights of US non-war tankers.
Michael Johnson
halt! die papieren bitte
Kayden Hughes
You aint protecting shit its, all about stopping Germany from imminently doing what they did twice ALREADY or France for that matter, but with the Decline of America with Trump (God bless him) this will happen anyway.
heck it doesn't even matter even with US forces Europe will go back to its inter warring state that it was in for centuries, Europe has had peace for too long too many weak jew loving politicians have ruled strong people and kept them down.
Xavier Bailey
2018 and Germany has finally grown some balls.
Henry Adams
What the fuck is a god damned autobarn tollpoint going to do against a fucking Howitzer?
Wyatt Johnson
The thing is in an actual SHTF situation any US forces would ignore local regulations.
Alexander Butler
Weren't they supposed to be the best American Stealth Fighter ever created, if they can be detected like that it just adds to American incompetence on the subjct of the F117, remember that they also got shot down by the Serbs in Bosnia.
Juan Hill
Usual shit here. Working in logistics for tank manufaturer. If the trailer for transport is just 10cm shorter than its on the paper the police will block the transport till the papers are right. Just german autism.
Austin Edwards
>logistical pencil pusher saying rules apply
lol no shit
Tyler Mitchell
>What the fuck is a god damned autobarn tollpoint going to do against a fucking Howitzer? The Howitzers are not manned. They are on the back of a logisitics truck.
You need to have a heavy transport and war equipment license to transport this through Germany. There have been cases of war material just being parked at some autobahn rest station on weekends as Polish transport guys went to sleep or brothels... and the police was not amused. Terrorists could steal working army equipment such as tanks and use them to make terror attacks. Sometimes the ammo is transported with the tanks.
Angel Green
>Weren't they supposed to be the best American Stealth Fighter ever created, if they can be detected like that it just adds to American incompetence on the subjct of the F117, remember that they also got shot down by the Serbs in Bosnia. I do not think they were seen on the radar. But they were detected through an alarm start. Austrian airforce machines were told to intercept US non-war aircraft for random checks in late 2002 as America was gearing up for the Iraq war.
the officer in charge of leading a platoon through a tollbooth without paying gets a reprimand, demotion, platoon is disciplined, etc. plus the fines
what, you think they can just drive around willy nilly or something without consequences? The severity of the punishment will be in direct relation to the political stature of the person involved in giving the order. Anyone below brigade commander tier would get his ass chewed out for being a dumbass.
Elijah Thompson
This is good news The tanks themselves were being transported in LKWs
Owen Davis
fucking hell the US army is just a giant mercenary force for hire
Mason Baker
most money-hungry money-at-any-cost money-is-more-important-than-morals-or-family nation in the world, uses its military force like a bunch of mercs for hire
and you're shocked by this why?
In america, the only thing that matters to people is money.
Brody Fisher
sorry, we don't have terrorists stealing military equipment in civilized countries.
Jaxon Brooks
No one is above the german polizei they are god
Elijah Ross
>(((American))) troops in Poland. Rhineland Bastards 3.0 is coming to Poland.
Jaxson Thomas
>fucking hell the US army is just a giant mercenary force for hire Often they are hired for 0 money.
Washington is expected to send an additional 4,000 soldiers to the country, bringing the US troop presence to over 8,000 soldiers.
In 2016 Germany strengthened its own deployment in Afghanistan to 18 percent higher than the number agreed among NATO members. There are currently 980 German soldiers in the south Asian country. Afghanistan also receives more in German aid than almost any other country across the globe.
Berlin said on Tuesday that the government in Kabul needs to push through a programme of reforms, do more to tackle corruption and enter dialogue with the parts of the Taliban which are prepared to come to a peaceful compromise.
Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen also welcomed the decision but said that Germany would not follow suit by further raising its troop numbers.
Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel meanwhile said that “we expect the US to agree on action in close cooperation with Europe."
Evan Collins
not shocked, more saddened
Owen Harris
>sorry, we don't have terrorists stealing military equipment in civilized countries. ok
I dont really get why Austria and Germany dont allow special transports like this 24/7 anyway, the whole no fucking trucks in the weekend for this matter is just putting European people at risk if any they should allow it and have 2 Drivers for every truck so there is no stopping.
Jaxon Wilson
Europe and Germany have been under American occupation since 1945 or 1990. Because of that we had to accept all of their degeneracy like Hollywood movies, (((music))), faggotry, sjw stuff etc. The ultimate redpill is that every degeneracy came from Murica. Sadly almost all European nations accepted their poisonous ideology this is why Germans, Swedes etc. became faggots, sjws, liberals. I know that there are still based people in Germany and Sweden also but their fight is very desperate.
oh big whoop. some bums or ukrainians just looted some fucking lunetes and shit so they can sell it for half price on black market...
Jayden Ramirez
Took a little revenge for WW2, krauts?
Christian Morales
>Europe and Germany have been under American occupation since 1945 or 1990. Pic related is an old map, new basis have opened in Poland and the Baltics.
But still, there are some spots without US presence including Switzerland, Austria, Sweden, Norway, Romania, Greece and most of the Baltics.
Easton Collins
I hope the le vil Drumpftt tells you ungrateful Germweenies to fuck off and brings the troops home. Let Germshits spill their own blood defending their wife's black sons when the Russkies decide to invade.
Hunter Watson
>oh big whoop. some bums or ukrainians just looted some fucking lunetes and shit so they can sell it for half price on black market... 0 equipment has been stolen in Germany by terrorists or criminals.
But we are afraid because we have thousands of terrorists which may steal a tank and use the Howitzers to shell Cologne or Frankfurt.
Noah Powell
>''I know that there are still based people in Germany and Sweden also but their fight is very desperate.''
except there is a fundemental differeance between Europeans and Americans, where a vast Majority of Americans are engaged with Politics 24/7 Europeans tend to not want to hear about politics thus holding a status quo on how Politics should be for the last 70 odd years. ontop of under Obama we had the worst 8 years of political preasure on our countries to become more like the US which has if you can see today in Europe backfired, the Anti American sentiment is very strong today in Europe, and lot's of people blame the current problems in our countries on the US for starting wars and dragging us in against our will.
Eli Gutierrez
There's nothing to do in America unless you're in a major city
Brayden Ramirez
Diversity battalion?
Carter Jones
Except drugs or sex or drugs and sex
Brandon Diaz
>shell Cologne or Frankfurt. And nothing of value would be lost.
Owen Young
>the Anti American sentiment is very strong today in Europe That is fucking bullshit. Outside of Western Europe maybe you are right but here there is barely any Anti American sentiment. Some people might complain ''oh america has started so many wars'' or something similar but at the end of the day they happily consume American media, American TV and American fast food garbage.
The German police did not pull over Americans driving self propelled artillery. Some Poles were contracted to drive them on the back of trucks to their destination and the trucks were stopped.
Cameron Ross
>And nothing of value would be lost. They just rebuilt the inner city in Frankfurt. Shelling it would mean they have to rebuild it a 3rd time.
At some point they will just say fuck it and build commie blocks in the inner city everywhere.
Benjamin Howard
Next time the us army needs to camoflage the convoys as dutch tourist buses
Alexander Diaz
Poland is the new West-Germany. I mean their main function is to defend the West against Russia, like West-Germany did between 1945-1990.
Romania has American nukes, which was saved and delivered from Turkey during the anti-Erdogan coup. I've heard that we also have nukes in somewhere Western-Hungary, it's crazy.
Jackson Hernandez
Definitely Americans.
Isaac Bailey
>The German police did not pull over Americans driving self propelled artillery. Some Poles were contracted to drive them on the back of trucks to their destination and the trucks were stopped.
Yes, and the point is that the German police may stop crucial US equipment headed to war against Iran for petty reasons such as licenses or transport violations.
This is what makes your generals concerned and makes them pressure Trump to relocate more US equipment and soldiers to Eastern Europe and Italy and away from Germany.
Germany just isn't a reliable partner for US troops in Europe. Too much paperwork and too little common sense.
Ethan Rodriguez
Well said, magyar bro
Nathan Flores
Bush wanted to move bases to poland originally
Aiden Foster
The decline of MSM in our country is also very real the slight majority that still consumes MSM that is like you said heavily influenced by American outlets is becoming aware or are aware but are capable of watching it with about 3 mugs of salt at everything these journalists say.
Consuming American garbage like McDonalds doesn't mean they beeing fucking brainwashed because they ate some synthetic hamburger even fucking communist china has McDonalds and you don't see those people rioting for capitalism and supporting Israel after eating a hamburger.
Hudson Hughes
>Anybody who thinks you’ll be able to fly anywhere at night — not true," Hodges said. "Everything we do prior to declaration of [NATO's collective-defense provision] is going to be done in peacetime conditions."
This is the key phrasing, what he's ultimately saying here is that it doesn't matter in the event of a real conflict.
Thomas Cruz
Too white for Frankfurt. PR image
Jacob Barnes
Its a render
Robert Adams
Its less who will let you and more who will stop you. An armored group like that could disasemble a city, no police force is going to have hardware to even minorly annoy you.
Anthony Allen
>"Even if a war were to break out, that wouldn't mean that the rules would be lifted," US Army Gen. Steven (((Shapiro)))
Easton Cruz
Not being a reliable partner for ZOG wars isnt a bad thing, Mr. Proxy
Christopher Taylor
Polizei have their own tanks german police dont play
inb4 getting shoot and scooped by a battalion of Dutch/German Leopards
Bentley Peterson
German cops have tanks...? I guess i shouldnt be suprised an islamic police state requires such things.
American cops have insane amounts of shit, most of its surplus or contract over runs the military industrial complex needed to offload since the zogwars were dying down.
Not sure you need an MRAP to deal with uppity niggers, but then again, you might...
Too bad the west is so filled with pc faggotry these days. Back in the good ole days if some nog or spic piece of shit got caught on the wrong side of something the sherrif would just make that problem dissapear.
Brody Long
>Polish transport logistics They are stopped all the time by German police, and with very good reason: Half of their trucks don't meet safety standards, aren't compliant with maximum loads or width, or the drivers fail to take their mandated break times.
If the US army is too cheap to hire professional German transport companies, it's their fucking own fault if their tanks get stopped and grounded.
Don't blame NATO on your own shortcomings.
David Allen
We didn't know it was invisible, kek.
Nathan King
Good, move all burgers to Poland
and send some nukes to us when we at it already
DEUS VULT without nice firecrackers won't be perfect
Zachary Hughes
I just hope we can throw these mutts back across the ocean before they devour our entire continent with their degeneracy
Liam Powell
Theyre more like armored vehicles they dont really get much use besides may days
Jonathan Foster
lol fuck off Muhammad
Sebastian Walker
>They are stopped all the time by German police, and with very good reason: Half of their trucks don't meet safety standards, aren't compliant with maximum loads or width, or the drivers fail to take their mandated break times.
But Hans, why are you soooo autistically German. If the driveshaft doesn't break, it is all fine!
Mason Bailey
>They are stopped all the time by German police, and with very good reason: Half of their trucks don't meet safety standards, aren't compliant with maximum loads or width, or the drivers fail to take their mandated break times.
sure kraut... if you only were so reasonable towards muslim truck drivers. but you can't scam those into paying tickets, right?
Joshua Gutierrez
>Consuming American garbage like McDonalds doesn't mean they beeing fucking brainwashed because they ate some synthetic hamburger
Yeah but the thing is food is part of a nations culture. By abandoning your own food in favor of another nations food you are effectively throwing away part of your own culture. Now if that was the only thing maybe it wouldn't be that bad (aside from it being obviously unhealthy) but as I said most people also consume American media and American TV.
Aiden Baker
Dont you guys est a shit ton of crockets or whatever those jamaican patty things are spelled?
Aiden Lewis
>what, you think they can just drive around willy nilly or something without consequences? The severity of the punishment will be in direct relation to the political stature of the person involved in giving the order. Anyone below brigade commander tier would get his ass chewed out for being a dumbass.
not to mention if it were the other way around that would mean a flat out deceleration of war
Cameron Hall
Lol, have fun getting brainwashed and enriched pooland. I hope you like black gi cock and leftist ideologies.
Connor Nelson
US military bases in Germany are defacto American soil. Germans can't enter them.
Leo Perry
Those black gis love white cock you should try some black boipucci
Charles Parker
German army does this aswell
Luke Anderson
>tfw when Germany has no army since Germany army is based on US force.
Time to strike.
Ayden Cruz
>German army Noice
Samuel Powell
Germany should be kicked from NATO and given to Russia.
Connor Martin
I can't wait for Germany to actually have to stick to their agreement about being armed. The kicker is, they never will, and all of our military bases will move to NATO countries that actually fulfill their duty like our based brothers in Poland. Let that sink in Hans, Poland meets military requirements and is superior to you due to this.
Jayden Gomez
Ssssh little polen no fantasizing about the annhilation of Germany until my toilet is cleaned.
Luis Edwards
First take that muslim dick from your mouth.
Dominic Green
Thats why they imported 1 million refugees, theyre the army now
Blake Martin
Im Frisian so there aint any to suck you uncultured pleb now scrub that toilet.
Hunter Harris
Our islamic hordes will take europe in the name of diversity.
Eli Nguyen
Put them in the army and they can go back to syria and fight for democracy there silly
Andrew Garcia
Frisians are dirty barbarians. You dont even have a toilet. Stop larping.
Jayden Scott
> remember that they also got shot down by the Serbs in Bosnia.
This was a delicate event, the US underestimated the serbs that used their S-125 with extreme efficiency that day.
