WSJ: New German Warship Isn't Fit for Sea

Thank you, mama Merkel!

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>First delivered for sea trials in 2016 after a series of delays, the 7,000-ton Baden-Württemberg frigate was determined last month to have an unexpected design flaw: It doesn’t really work.

Where my krautfags at? Don't you have some positive spin on this? Aren't you going to say this is exactly the diversity NATO needs in its naval power?

>Defense experts cite the warship’s buggy software and ill-considered arsenal—as well as what was until recently its noticeable list to starboard—as symptoms of deeper, more intractable problems: Shrinking military expertise and growing confusion among German leaders about what the country’s armed forces are for.
>A litany of bungled infrastructure projects has tarred Germany’s reputation for engineering prowess. There is still no opening date for Berlin’s new €6 billion ($7.2 billion) airport, which is already 10 years behind schedule, and the redesign of Stuttgart’s railway station remains stalled more than a decade after work on the project started. Observers have blamed these mishaps on poor planning and project management, which also figured in major setbacks for several big military projects.

My bad, it's diversity of engineers in general. Kind of amazing you guys went from autobahn to do-not-want in just four generations.

but German engineering is superio........

This is why Germany wants a European army. They can’t build anything for shit.

>All those carriers right next to each other
America hasn't learned shit from the past has it?

>carrier
>in 21st century warfare


good goy, bought the lie

They over-engineer everything.

were there any women involved by chance? soyboys are equivalent to women

Embarrassed German detected.

Nope I'm American faggot

Uh oh guess it will just have to be converted to housing for refugees :^)

Germans are retarded, they are only good at engineering simple things like screws or dreidels

If you're such a master tactitian, then please explain 21st century warfare to me

This. Make love, not war.

You're a cuck then for memeflagging as a european

yes. Put refugees on it; cram it full. Sail it out to the middle of the north sea.
Then scuttle it.

You know how the battleship is a relic of 20th century century warfare because of airplanes?

The carrier is 20x stupider than that.

But hey it's super expensive and impresses inbreds when it comes to bombing caveman in sand so please let us order another one Mr Shekelberg!!!

The absolute state of Germany. From easily one of the top three military powers in the world.....to a bigger Sweden.

>growing confusion among German leaders about what the country’s armed forces are for

Thats not confusion. Its deliberate bleeding and selling out of the German industrial complex by the leftist Jewish puppets.

A false dichotomy between "we need a (((EU))) controlled army" (((conservative))) leftists and "muh no borders, death to Germany, death to Germans, gommunism now" (((marxist))) leftists

It is. It's just that all the good German engineers were scooped up by the Nazis, who were then scooped up by USA and USSR. Now, stuff made in Germany is just over-engineered trash.

A lot of American design innovations in the 50s and 60s came from German scientists and engineers captured in Operation Paperclip.

>German engineering
"old" German engineering.
Germany, it's no longer Germany

>over-engineered trash
you mean like it always was?
german tanks past the PZIV were pure shit

You have no idea what you are talking about, amerimutt. The battleship is obsolete due to the fact that a smaller, cheaper and more manouverable destroyer with modern day missile is nowadays far more effective and versatile than a huge fucking HE deposit having to manouver for half an hour just to fire off a full broadside. It has nothing to do with planes

All the German engineers were stolen by the US and Russian government

the carrier is literally the basis of US warfare in any theatre...

says who, a beaten dickhead who always go to 30 other countries to help when Germans make you fuck yourselves.
> you lucky Hitler showed mercy to you cuck beggars, or you will be devasted like whores in a bar blast

WRONG

There is no real warfare in the 21st century, and those carriers are used to make occupying, milking and jewifying shitholes like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Somalia, Libya easier

Plus they cannot be bombed easily, they literally carry dozens of fighters that could protect them

>A floating airbase is a relic because aircraft made battleships outdated

The reason Aircraft carriers are useful is that they let you project force a great distance, and provide fighter cover and extend the range of your anti-ship weapons and Anti-submarine screening capabilities well beyond what the rest of the fleet is capable of. Aircraft carriers are still very relevant because aircraft are a huge danger to warships.

i wouldn't count on shitter hornets defending it against the actual threats to a carrier (submarines and hypersonic anti-ship missiles)

It's probably not true. Merkel just doesn't want German ships picking up (((refugees))) from the med-sea. That would be another nail in her coffin.

I'm not surprised. After all, they don't have ONE single functional submarine. Why not? They can just keep sponging off NATO and the good ol' USA. It's going to bite them in the ass soon, though!

WTF Germany, that's just pathetic - you goys can't engineer no more

Minister of Defence Ursula von der Leyen.

That is Norfolk...you know situated on the most militarized bay in the most militarized county on the planet.

Germans are only allowed to criticize when the US doesn't have more active fighters in Germany then Germany does.

they need more racial diversity in engineers and politics to get thing right!

Carriers generally have specialized anti sub craft and helis assigned to them

Carriers are dramatic overkill for the US, this is true. The idea that they are obsolete is retarded, however.

This is the list of non-SA countries that can use their air power in South America without carriers
>USA
>France
>UK

That's it. This is the complete list of non-SA countries that can use airpower in South America solely because they have at least one carrier
>USA
>India
>UK
>Italy
>Russia
>Spain
>Thailand
>Brazil
>China
>France

And that's pretending all of them have working carriers and the range to get there. A carrier is just a mobile airbase. Airpower is still king.

Donald Trump, is that you?

Imagine being this deluded

>Submarines
Easily out ran by a fleet, also a carrier carries ASW aircraft, and escort destroyers and Ticos carry ASW helos.

>Hypersonic ASMs
Literally vaporware at the moment, unless you mean the Chinese DF-21D, which is an anti-ship ballistic missile with a ~25% chance of hitting a stationary carrier, much less one maneuvering. Also, firing a salvo of IRBMs to sink one carry is a great way to accidentally start a nuclear exchange.

HHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

Just in time for their Merkel-clone defense minster to take over from Merkel herself - can’t make it up!

We haven't had ASW fixed-wing aircraft on our carriers in ages, all our S-3s are retired and mothballed

You could've said that same shit about Pearl Harbor back in the day.

No, I'm just an old fag who's been watching this shit go on for years.

Cmon man, ASM's are cool.

This is what happens when your defense ministers are all women. Europe is fucked.

proving once again that she's completely useless in every field and just got the job because of muh vagina

I know that, but the SH-60 is still a credible threat against submarines. Also, from what I hear the navy might be looking at the SV-22 again, but who knows

One large bomb is all you need tho.

It seems we have really come a long, long way from WW2. How did Germany get so cucked?
Sad.

>post yfw you realized the president shitposts on Sup Forums everyday

Is it he who taught us the art of trolling? Or have we made him better?

Who the fuck would join the German military when the people responsible for invasion are the same people you would have to fight to protect. How fucking stupid are some people.

Oh, fug! Our defense Minister is a woman as well. Wat do?

To be fair, they've been occupied for decades, so no use for making military gear. I'm sure they can achieve parity with everybody else in short order, if they're willing to commit to it

How she is even still in office is truly a miracle.

She fucked up so much, she makes Guttenberg's unquoted citation look like a small mistake.

Have more territorial disputes with China.
And make sure to close your submarine hatches, lets go India, BTFO china.

How did we let this happen

We need total war

>(submarines and hypersonic anti-ship missiles)

Chinese user or just baizuo?

You need a way to get that bomb to the target, dummy. Good luck flying anything within 100 miles of a major military base without being spotted and identified.

give me one reason why we need ANY military at all
it's completely pointless in the year of the lord 2018

That's the problem with my country. All we do is diplomacy. If we ever go to war with China it will probably be because China pushed the first button. But, we do kill Pakis without any issue. Our politicians have even gone on TV boasting about killing Paki scums. Although, we don't go around killing civilians like those goatfuckers do at the border.
And, desu the armed forces are dying for a war with China because 1962 but the politicians are keeping them at check. Also because we are a democracy and they are not so that's a big advantage for China.

BTW, The half of the Bundeswehr's equipment and vehicles are out of commission. So, forget about aircraft and land vehicles as well. Fucking USELESS! I guess that money went to house refugees, eh?

aHhAHAhaHAhaHAhaHAhaHA what u gonna do about it cowboy? we won't contribute to nato a single euro.

Aren't you guys really at odds with China for China trying to build a road in Bhutan, who if I'm not mistaken is practically a vassal of India?

Yes goyim don't make any babies or have militaries. YEEEEES.

They built FIVE submarines for Israel and can't even maintain their own

Fucking cucks

>Can't even do 10 pushups

I did more than that in my first hour of basic.

>hypersonic ASM
>laser beam

Yes, those fucking chinks want an entire state in the Northeastern region of India and other places in Kashmir. Also, the Doklam standoff was resolved "peacefully."

Unironically hate that bitch over the G-36 "flaws" when it clearly met the requirements set forth by the Bundeswehr
t. Hk fanboy

This. Fuck Germany!

no seriously
I'm actually for abolishing the German military.
Soon it's gonna be just another welfare system for shitskins.

We don't have a need for submarines as we are not allowed to have nukes of our own.
We don't need tanks because we will never start a war again and if we get invaded (lol???) the US will be forced to defend us
We don't need soldiers because we don't have borders to protect and our "leaders" are letting in our enemies anyway

>Lasers
>A viable weapon against several inches of steel on the side of a warship

Lasers are viable against missiles because missiles need to be as light as possible for aerodynamic and TWR purposes. At present, lasers do not prove a threat against surface combatants.

But, assuming your laser has enough power, you still have to get close enough with your warship that is essentially a massive powerplant with a laser strapped on it, at which point you are guaranteed to be in range of multiple 5"/54 or 5"/62 guns, Harpoon Missiles, Standard Missiles, 25mm autocannons, and potentially 324mm torpedos.

Ask for bobs and vegana

Pearl Harbor was a big port and a very very very mediocre military base. It’s defensive abilities were nonexistent because no one thought it could reasonably be attacked in the first place.

Would ask but she's too old for my taste.

> which is already 10 years behind schedule

holy fuck, how can yo ube that incompetent?

I would sabotage on purpose considering the government is aiding and abetting an invasion. You would have to be a massive retard to fight for such a government and anyone who does deserve zero respect. They are traitors.

Pearl Harbor was literally a shitty stopgap port

You're a fool if you think there's not going to be a war in the near future.

Subs for Israel have priority

I was talking about intercepting missiles with lasers.

Forgive me for my incorrect statement. I forgot that you've already been invaded. My apologies, Muhammad.

All of the fags in this thread. When I was in Afghanistan, I got an email from my friend Jimmy. He made a joke about me pissing on myself in the field while taking a leak earlier in the week. He was stationed in Nevada. Know how he knew? Because he saw me AT NIGHT through a drone camera 6000 miles away and was able to read my last name on my BDU jacket. From 6000 miles and 10000 feet. Freaked me the fuck out. Tugboats don’t mean shit. Technology is what fights wars now.

>7000 tons
>frigate
27000 ton destroyers start to make sense.

Actually, Pearl had some serious defensive capabilities from their air base. Had the fighters from Pearl been able to scramble, the Japanese would have suffered serious losses to their naval aviators, which experiences from Coral Sea and Midway showed were very difficult to replace.

Le 56% says someone else has been invaded. Priceless.

AHAHAHAHA...no surprise here..what a shit show.

wtf do they mean it doesn't really work? Like does the navigation equipment not work or it cant float?

a civil war maybe, and that's why I'm for weakening the military before it happens...
I'm pretty sure the plan is to fill the ranks with shitskins in the next 4 years (because they can't find any work after all)
Then they will have no problems with shooting at bio-Germans and defending shitskins

Defenses does not equal preparedness.

Maybe if they cut off their penises it would work better!

What % of your military is women?

At least they have all those new engineers and scientists coming from Africa, they'll sort it all out.

...

not gonna happen.

10% or so according to internet sources

Clearly our sausage loving cousins need more strong independent women of colour in their military. That's the only conceivable reason why they are having such trouble.

I could actually understand it if it were proper ones,. But he dosent even touch the ground with his breast ones.

Hell none of those lards does even one single proper push up. They are all just fucking the ground.