Are Libertarians retarded?

>arguing with libertarian
>libertarian brings up how East Asia is successful due to free markets only and no state intervention, and how Southeast Asian countries are poor because of strong government interference and regulations in free market
>corrects him saying although liberalization of the economy was indeed one of the things that made East Asia successful, one crucial part was also high government expenditures on infrastructure, education and R&D, and that although not noticeable yet, this is the exact same Southeast Asian countries are doing now. Also tell how most successful Asian nations had strong slightly authoritarian governments that was strict on crime and discipline and that South Korea was literally a state capitalistic country in the past
>"LOL user HAHAH YOU'RE A FUCKING MORON, NO IT WAS ONLY FREE MARKET, GOVERNMENT SPENDINGS WILL ONLY MAKE A COUNTRY THIRD WORLD AND BACKWARD, BUILDING FUCKING ROADS DON'T MAKE YOU RICH, ONLY FREE MARKET AND NO GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE IS THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES A COUNTRY RICH, LOOK AT SWEDEN AND SWITZERLAND(despite them having a history of having a well developed infrastructure and century old businesses and influential families that contributed to their success)"

Can anyone relate? Also, why does the meme about AnCaps and Libertarians hating infrastructure actual seem real?

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mises.org/system/tdf/13_2_8_0.pdf?file=1&type=document
reason.com/archives/2015/10/25/gun-control-and-immigration-restrictions
reasonrail.blogspot.no/2011/06/do-toll-roads-make-profit.html
youtube.com/watch?v=oQ3Mqp5bQsg&t=5164s
mises.org/system/tdf/The Privatization of Roads and Highways_2.pdf?file=1&type=document
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Because they don't want to pay for anything.

I just don't argue with them because they don't want to learn.

Yes you literally have to be a cretin to subscribe to ancap libretardianism.

You faggots are so retarded. Leftists are out there raping young girls and importing sand niggers and you're sitting here trying to get mad at people who just want to be left alone? Why is it that bad to look at this shithole of a world we live in and say "Fuck this I'm out." Fight an actual enemy faggots. Its people like you who keep leftist communist rapists in power. Get over it and learn to prioritize.

Libertarians aren't worth debating, they're too far gone.

>libertardians believe that if you are not libertardian, you are or support leftists
The absolute state of Randians

government interference in the economy is ba..

>I AM SILLY!
i sure trust your account of this discussion

You're right instead of attacking the leftists who are raping our country as we speak we should stop and focus on libertarians who have no power or hold over society. The only reason you fags attack libertarians is that you don't have the balls to attack people who are actively trying to destroy your people from the face of the arth. Start eating red meat soyboy and go fight the communists. Libertarians and whatever you edgy poltards want to call yourselves don't really disagree on much, so why not focus on attacking communists who are destroying all of what whites built?

when someone has nothing of value to offer they resort to cheapening the contributions of others in an attempt to sell what they have.
enter muh government intervention is bad lulbertarianism is the way to go.

You realize you just defined this thread with your first sentence right?

I can show it to you. It was on /biz/ with someone claiming to be a leaf, and claiming he knows more about my country than I do. He even argued that we had low taxes and little government spendings in the past which is what made us successful, despite it being the completely opposite, as we were a wellfare state and had higher taxes back then for middle class.

>"The Japanese government contributed to the post-war Japanese economic miracle by stimulating private sector growth, first by instituting regulations and protectionism that effectively managed economic crises and later by concentrating on trade expansion."

top kek

The thing is, the smart ancaps are not ancaps for long.

>Are Libertarians retarded?

It is like a cult. I got out of it but I was in it for a few years when I was a teenager. It is effectively a religion. Like all religion it operates on the "here is the truth, now justify it" axiom. So in lolbertarians case their "truth" is that government is always bad. So they look at every problem and situation and have to do mental gymnastics to find a way to explain how it is the fault of government regulation or at least how govt could not possibly make this better.

Honestly, the whole thing is incredibly tedious and infuriating when you are an ex-libertarian trying to talk to people whose minds are still stuck in that thinking. It is what I imagine an ex-Christian fundamentalist must feel like when talking to people who are still christian fundies.

you rich ancaps get so overly buttblasted whenever someone point out that most of your ideas are fucking retarded and only work under certain conditions that are hard to achieve in the current state of the world, despite never being proven. And for some reason you think we don't do exactly the same towards leftists too?

>Get BTFO by libertarian
>Create strawman on Sup Forums trying to roast him later

Top kek, pathetic

To be fair in terms of economics if you even dare to mention that any economics left of the repiblican party are good, you usually trigger pol.

Wanna see the thread?

you can tell this is happening then they accuse the other party of being the worse thing is said subject
Catholics are satanic evangelism is the way to go
republicans are nazi's being a democrat is the way to go
government intervention is communism! libertarian freemarket is the way to go.

And please excuse me if I am not right about income taxes in Singapore. It's just something I remember reading that they were moderately high in the past. But one thing is for sure and that is that the government demanded citizens to save up their earnings to pay for housing.

Songapore used to be part of the communist international.

Didn't know about that, but regardless, libertarians using Singapore as an example are just simply deluded of its history under Lee Kuan Yew

And I am an ex anarcho communist and I feel the same way about them.

The difference was I grew up and noticed that our secretary makes more money than me and I earn $4/hr more and don't take sick days. Nothing is made equal. That's life, deal with it.

Ancaps have this strange system where they classify every country that is succesfull as capitalist, and every country that is not as not real capitalism, even though it leads to strange situations like calling literal communism capitalism.

>high government expenditures on infrastructure, education and R&D
Most libertarians see the first two as jobs the government actually has. Roads, education, and defence. Protecting the people and giving them the means to improve their stations in life. They are opposed to stuff like massive socialized medicine programs and nationalization of industries by the government.

>corrects him saying although liberalization of the economy was indeed one of the things that made East Asia successful, one crucial part was also high government expenditures on infrastructure, education and R&D, and that although not noticeable yet, this is the exact same Southeast Asian countries are doing now. Also tell how most successful Asian nations had strong slightly authoritarian governments that was strict on crime and discipline and that South Korea was literally a state capitalistic country in the past

>east asian countries have strongest possible fully authoritarian centralized gov
>poverty fucking beyond africa tier
>liberalized economy with no public healthcare and no welfare make economy grow faster than modern europe, but slower than fully capitalistic XIX century europe where roads and railways were actually all private made
>surely all growth came from slightly authoritarian government and government expenditures...

you guys are just living in marxist bubble

But what if the child consents

You're proving my point, you do exactly the same to libertarians as you do to leftists even though libertarians are no threat to you whatsoever. The only libertarians are a threat are left-libertarians which the Rothbardian libertarians (the ones at pol) already hate. I'm just saying quit fighting people who aren't your enemy. That's not how you win a war.

Capitalists are the biggest enemy of this planet.

>can't handle them bantz

>Geary-Khamis dollars
wat

>>surely all growth came from slightly authoritarian government and government expenditures...


>what are roads, railroads, ports, airports, powerlines, powerplants, wetworks, state corporations, Chaebols, Japanese government intervention in the economy post WWII, etc.
Poland surely has shitty english education when you can't even fucking read

Libertarians support open borders. They are leftist scum. Every third worlder is a voter who cancels your vote and votes to take your income and wealth. Libertarians who are exclusively white and large majority men are stupid enough to believe shitskins can be converted to free markets.
Press S to spit on ancaps

>wetworks
fuck I meant water supplementation

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In an Ancap society would debtor prison be a thing?

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Please for the love of god, don't forget to put sage in the options field.

>roads are already privately made. I build roads. Taxes gather funds to pay for private contractors
>Railroad building was heavily subsidized by governments in XIX.

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The libertarians here are Rothbardian/Hoppe libertarians. They do not support open borders. Just like there is conservatives and the alt-right there is right libertarians and left libertarians.

This is Rothbard on what should be done with bums. "Again: unleash the cops to clear the streets of bums and vagrants. Where will they go? Who cares? Hopefully, they will disappear, that is, move from the ranks of the petted and cosseted bum class to the ranks of the productive members of society."

This is Hoppe on why libertarianism means free trade and restricted immigration (this one is a full essay). mises.org/system/tdf/13_2_8_0.pdf?file=1&type=document

dont argue with librarians, they usually know dewey decimals

Libertarian arguments more often that not are pure sophistry. Can you explain parts of your essay that are relevant.

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>When you actually think government workers build the road

Talk about roads the soviet union actually had an excellent train network.

>Libertarians support open borders.
So, so wrong.

HOLY SHIT aside from my ideal catholic theocracy this actually looks comfy af

>wanting a jewish ran slave-economy
>wanting capitalism instead of classical ethnic pagan European tribalism.

Delet this whole thread.

>left-libertarians
They're the majority.
Gary "libertarian means socially liberal, fiscally conservative" Johnson was the libertarian candidate.

>government build the roads, they don't bid out the construction to private companies to construct the carefully planned road network to connect cities and benefit the entire country

where exactly do you find these libertarians?

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They also had people starving in the streets while grain rotted in the silos.

Are you willfully ignorant of libertarianism or are you just a fucking retard? Yes there are some Cato/liberaltarians who want open borders and social justice but the majority of Rothbardian ancaps/libertarians will easily admit that borders have to be protected. You wouldn't just let anyone on your private estate, so why would you just let anyone in your country?

Also, shitskins can indeed be converted to free market thinkers as long as they don't get to bask in the "glories" of socialism. The Libertarian party equivalent in Brazil is rapidly growing, for example. Importing them is definitely not the solution though.

he's right though
reason.com/archives/2015/10/25/gun-control-and-immigration-restrictions

I am aware. Hoppeans should distance themselves from libertarians. As in cut off ties from the mainstream lolbertarian.
Libertarians when typically spoken about are the Libertarian Party and Reason Magazine.
No one including lolbertarians are reading Man Economy and State.

Capitalist lies.

>Only governments have the foresight and knowledge to direct the construction of a road from one place to another.

no bantz, legit advice

>Reason.
>Speaks for libertarians.
Hahahhhaha

If you are trying to catch me on the everything will be private property in libertopia argument and thus will be trespassing I will come through the screen and punch you.
I've read Human action and M,E,& S.

Sure the essay says that the free flow of goods is always a good thing because a good helps all those who use it. Then he argues the free flow of people is not always a good thing because some people are degenerates. So in order to have a civilized society you mustn't allow in degenerates. He goes on to say that forced immigration is also a violation of the property rights of the individuals in that country.

They do which just goes to show the sad state of libertarians.

I would agree. But the alt-right isn't the majority either for the right. Maybe a name should be made for right libertarians to distinguish themselves like the alt-right did. Maybe alt-libertarian?

Government collects the funds for the roads And has a rough plan on what they want done. They then hire a civil engineering firm and hire other firms to figure out where a road would do the most good.
The engineers then make design that has blueprints and specs.
Private construction companies then bid on the project using the prints and specs.
Then the engineer and Construction company work together(sometimes against) to complete the project. A government wig may show up 4-5 times to look at it. Once completed The government pays the construction company.

Agreed, I think we need to make a new name for ourselves. But alt-lib doesn't sound so great.

Libertarians need to realize that marxists , socialists and neo liberal globalists will use their ideology to infiltrate and put their own into power.
Order is needed. Pic related.

That logic is just collectivism.
>People that I dislike shouldn't be allowed in my country because they're a threat to its well-being

>Oh my god, how dare you disprove my political beliefs while there is other evil out there, you hurt my little feewings!

>names libertarians
>talks about ancaps

You do know private companies will only build things that will profit them? Now think of it, why would a private company make a road that connects 2 cities without any sort of revenue? That's why they need to make it a tollroad. But do you think a road-making company make roads that connects rural towns throughout the countryside without making it a tollroad? Almost all toll roads in the US runs at millions in deficit, and also has to be subsidized to not make the costs too expensive for the customers
reasonrail.blogspot.no/2011/06/do-toll-roads-make-profit.html

And then there's the case of urban planning. One obstacle with private companies completely taking over the construction of infrastructure is that there won't be a common masterplan to be followed, meaning there can be huge deviation.
Look at the state of the American Railways. It's a complete fucking mess because multiple companies own certain parts throughout the country.

Sure, cooperations between multiple land owners and road-makers can be made, but in general, having a government plan the entire roadnetwork and then bid out contract to a toll road company might probably be the easiest way

Nope. As long as public property and political borders exist, then it is the duty of the government to prevent immigration of incompatible people from entering the country. The U.S. was founded by Whites and should stay for Whites. While open borders might make sense from an economic viewpoint, it does not factor in culture, crime rates, IQ, voting habits, welfare usage, etc. These are more important. Not to mention that open borders are good for world government. Most libertarians understand this, and the Beltway Libertarians don't speak for us. They are most likely, in fact, controlled opposition.

How about 2008 edgelord Ancap Adam Kokesh aka Adam vs The Man.
Recent video Ancap Adam vs ex-ancap molymeme
youtube.com/watch?v=oQ3Mqp5bQsg&t=5164s

Toll road guy. Not one where you stop to pay, but one that tracks how far you traveled on the road and thus your toll through GPS which will then be paid in Bitcoin Cash.

Molymeme still calls himself a voluntaryist, he has just distanced himself from those libertarians who embrace immigration.

Go. Fuck. Yourself. You. Worthless. Pussy.

>Can anyone relate?
Most people, no matter the ideology, don't care to question their own views. They think they have it all figured out and everyone who disagrees is an idiot. Just look at Sup Forums, it's filled to the brim with people like that.

>"yes goy, you surely are tax exempt but you need to pay 0.002BCH to drive on McRoad each way. No way around as we have monopoly on roads going into your town, so in the end you won't have much more left than when the communist government tax- I mean stole from you"
Did you see how much in deficit toll roads run? Roads aren't free, you know?

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That's what having an actual identity is about. If you're questioning your most core commitments -the ones that resonate most with you at an atomically instinctual level- then you're literally subhuman. You haven't achieved a solid, coherent mental form so to speak.
A lot of you goat people don't seem to understand this.

Yeah no shit. But to think that only governments could do this is laughable. Greedy entrepreneurs will find a way and have.

Don't worry all the objections you've raised have been answered. It's also hard to compare a system with public and private roads running right next to each-other. Just read the comments section of that article you posted.

mises.org/system/tdf/The Privatization of Roads and Highways_2.pdf?file=1&type=document

None of that is a problem if the government is properly limited with an iron-clad constitution.

molymeme is a voluntaryist in theory. Not in practice. A molymeme government would be paying people to self deport and cutting off welfare except in one area to get the vagrants all in one spot. away from society.
Watched cernobitch on there recently whining about alt right picking on him to molymeme which was weird as moly has done plenty of race based videos on crime, voting, IQ etc.

>Now think of it, why would a private company make a road that connects 2 cities without any sort of revenue?
They could set up tolls.

I'm not saying private companies can't collect the tax themselves. I honestly doubt a large gain to the consumer at the end of the day though.
Libertarians never here the counter stories of what private roads/bridges are like. I have one.
In detroit Their is a tunnel and a Bridge. The bridge is owned by Scrooge himself. Canada and Michigan want to build another bridge. This Scrooge nigger bought up all the land on the US side where this bridge would go. The private road owner is looking for profit while the government although inefficient is looking to fix increase traffic flow.

>year 2050
>Jamal and Paco are the majority
>"muh constitutio-" *Jamal rips it in half*
>time for da gib taxes, white boy!

tick tock tick tock....time's running out

Did you read the sentence right after that?

tl;dr
>Just read the comments section of that article you posted.
Yes, they address that some toll roads are undercapacity, as there are free options available. They also argue that taxing the free alternatives will make toll roads more productive kek.
But again, why would a private company build a free-to-use road?

This image actually illustrates how the state taxes the people.

>ayo where da gibs at wh*Te boi
>sorry, nigger, no libtards to defend you now *bang* *bang*
>sheeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiittttttttttt

Hispanics will genocide blacks before the century is over.

The black-hispanic race war is a meme.
Several times more hispanics are killed by blacks than the reverse.
Latin American countries are full of blacks.

The problem is that you're talking about a situation with government interfering in all areas, whether it be the acquiring of land, the building of alternate transportation like an elevated rail, or whatever. If the guy is looking for profit, the only way he can get it is by having people drive on his road. It's the same reason a restaurant owner needs people to eat his food. Government roads on the other hand are absolute shit, with 47,000 vehicle deaths a year, horrible traffic, and no accountability whatsoever. Honestly though, roads are so far down on the totem pole of things that need urgent attention, I could care less whether they are privatized or not. But to actually think they couldn't be is absurd.

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White ethnonationalism combined with libertarianism is the perfect society. The quality of a people is vitally important to the success of a society.

>But again, why would a private company build a free-to-use road?
They wouldn't unless they charged property owners along that road use fees or owned the property to which the road leads to, in order to get customers to their other businesses.

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Now think of long ass roads to the middle of fucking nowhere. They need maintenance too, and probably don't have demand enough so that businesses along the road will be able to pay for the expenditures. Yes, such roads exist in plenty of places.

I don't think you understood what he said. Scooge might not have any intentions of building another bridge there. He could be either using the land as idle land to sell it later when it has gotten enough demand, wants to build something completely different from a bridge that will gain profit but won't fix the traffic situation. After all, the current bridge is the only bridge in the are and he has almost monopoly on traffic passing through, even if it's not efficient but why should he care when people have no other option?

>Government roads on the other hand are absolute shit, with 47,000 vehicle deaths a year, horrible traffic, and no accountability whatsoever
You do know most if not all government roads are bid out to private companies...the reason why some roads are crappy is poor engineering work and also inefficient bureaucracy causing lack of sufficient funds to fund the project.
>Honestly though, roads are so far down on the totem pole of things that need urgent attention
yeah, like people and good will just teleport, like nigga u dont need roads lol

>If you're questioning your most core commitments -the ones that resonate most with you at an atomically instinctual level- then you're literally subhuman.

What kind of mental gymnastics does this take? Questioning one's own views is the basis of debate and intellectualism. No wonder you ancaps are against public education; it's only possible to get a voterbase when they are literally against criticism.

goods*