Americanism > White Nationalism

Americanism > White Nationalism
Preserving our borders and preserving our society.
Needlessly grasping for something that is pushed by youtube scientists and larping faggots is a pointless exercise that will never manifest any tangible results.

However, embracing the society, culture, and views of Americanism has produced the world's largest economy within 300 years of creation.
The results speak for themselves, either cling to something that has failed every single time, or strive for what your ancestors created. Follow a European reactionary movement created over butthurt from losing a war or a system that has produced the world's largest superpower in history.

The only reason for the current state of affairs is the death of Americanism. The only solution IS Americanism.

Vivet America

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What is Americanism?

Civic Nationalism is cancer.

He is referring to Patriotism vs Nationalism.

americanism is fighting for the preservation of mcdonalds, walmart, mcmansions, country music, and nascar.

Only if it's 50s Americanism.

>something that is pushed by youtube scientists and larping faggots is a pointless exercise that will never manifest any tangible results
Go to hell. White nationalism didn't start with you tubers. The pointless exercise would be trying to hold our fracturing nation together.
>preserving our society
We don't have a society. There is nothing linking us as a society any more. We are not of one race, we are not of one religion, we do not all share the same language, we do not share the same ideals, everybody hates everybody else. The sooner the US falls apart the better. Having said that, I'm all for preserving borders while the US is still a thing.

The belief of our founding fathers.
Essentially, it is the belief in pragmatism and American values. If a black person can contribute to society, then who cares his race.
It doesnt care to study which race is best or worse, but if each individual is contributing his share.
Beyond that, it is sympathetic to classically American populations and culture.
A good example would be manhattan. An exact opposite Detroit.

Essentially its American alt right without race factored in. The same stance on dangerous religions, dangerous cultures, dangerous systems of governance, etc.

Today I was driving and thinking the same thing. We’ve managed to produce the most advanced and successful culture of all time. The last thing we should want would be to burn it down and start over. We’ve struck the best most tenable balance of Liberty and governance, everything else is either too authoritarian or too lawless. We aren't a shithole country and for damn good reasons.

Americanism = Classical Liberalism

life liberty and the pursuit of happiness

Civic Nationalism only works in a country like America though. It was never meant to work in Europe.

What do you call the past 300 years? Was it all just "not a society"?
We have a society being destroyed, by Commies and Nazis. As well as safe space crybabys.
America has always been strong due to leaving everything second to America. Now we prioritize everything but America. We prioritize politics, race, everything, before America.
The ends never justify the means, first comes America and everything else follows.

Americanism is white nationalism, or at least, it used to be. The country was founded as the first and only explicitly white nation in all of history, with the original 1790 naturalization laws limiting citizenship 100% only to white people. No non-whites were ever intended to be eligible for American citizenship.

Even after the slaves were freed, the country was about 90% white until 1965. The idea of a racially pluralistic America is extremely new, and has no connection to the traditional values or history of the US.

Well god damnit, can a nig be based now? I like being american and I'm not chimping out every day.

>The belief of our founding fathers
I'm gonna stop you right there.The founding fathers were acutely aware of race, much more so than Europeans of the time. They had a subservient racial element in the blacks and a competitive racial element in the Indians. Treating people who are not equal equally is spitting in the face of truth and will lead to chaos, and the founding fathers were themselves white nationalists. They did not do everything they did so that the descendants of their slaves could inherit the fruits of their life's work.
youtu.be/c7YzrbeLbJE

Are you being serious? Every single one of the founding fathers agreed that black people would be farm equipment worth 3/5ths of a person.

Your idea of Americanism is something largely invented by Ashkenazim Jews during the latter half of the 20th century- it would be completely alien and incomprehensible to the Americans that lived before this time.

Coolidge ethnically cleansed mestizos as recently as the 20s, even deporting ones who were legal American citizens, based on their race.

"Americanism is a question of spirit, conviction, and purpose, not of creed or birthplace." -Theodore Roosevelt
Its never been about race, its always been about culture and the individual.
It just so happens whites created the best cultures, naturally leading to being a white civilization.
Whether or not whites are needed is not the question, the question is if you can contribute to society. If the answer happens to be "biased" towards whites, then who cares.

"Americanism is a question of spirit, conviction, and purpose, not of creed or birthplace." -Theodore Roosevelt

This argument has the same problem as every other argument that hinges on the need to convince millions of people to live in an unnatural way.

Every advanced society for their time in existence has been formed with the means overriding the ends. And this of course includes most white societies, the most successful societies.
America was made with freedom coming first, and the outcome of said freedom second. Killing the freedom and American spirit is what has brought us to our current stage in life.

Every germanic/celtic country is rich, prosperous, and inventive. Literally 100% of them. Once the US has the demographics and average IQ of Brazil, it will have the living standards and success of Brazil. A nation isn't he dirt or the paper, it is the people.

These new immigrants aren't going to care about the founding fathers. They are not going to care about the 1st or 2nd amendment. They are being brainwashed to hate white people. They will all group up and vote against white interests. They will elect socialist candidates. The socialist candidates will appoint socialist judges, who will reinterpret all the laws towards less freedom. They are not going to become right wing. Look to CA to see what the fed government is going to end up like. We need to break the country up before they even get in power, or we will be under a communist/zionist jew world order yoke.

Right. The expectation was that minorities either integrate with our values and culture or gtfo. Currently the lefts expectation is the opposite.

The same ones that lived in mud huts and killed the roman empire causing a dark age in Europe?
The same ones that invented modern day "Democratic socialism"?
And let us not forget they only achieved what you consider to be prosperous once they adopted Roman values, becoming some of the most christian countries in the world.

Roosevelt said this in a 90% white country, and was primarily referring to Europeans. The immigration laws at the time of his administration prioritized immigration from Northern Europe, and limited non-white immigearion to almost nothing.

Your statement that "it has never been about race" is simply an objective falsehood. The founders of this nation set up laws that did not allow for one single non-white person to become a citizen. It was intended to be a completely white country.

Theodore Roosevelt wasn't a founding father. He was president during a time when there was a lot of white immigration and nonwhites were barred. He's talking about different kinds of Europeans and different kinds of Christians in that quote. Watch the video.
Freedom in what sense? No country has ever been utterly free with no respect to the consequences of freedom. When freedom produces shit consequences, the freedom is restricted for the sake of order. Complete freedom is complete chaos.

And Im opposed to it.
Americanism doesn't care if reality is racist, or not. It has no view on race and only the individual, if the one who cant benefit society is black or white, it does not care.

Not complete ethical means, but an overriding of ends for means.

Nothing in this post has a tangible connection to actual history, or any relation to the topic of Americanism at hand

Then explain to me how the Germans moved from hutts to kingdoms.

Can you explain to me when yor conception of Americanism was invented, and by who? Because it certainly does not describe the country that was created by the founders, or the one that existed prior to 1965.

The multicultural egalitariani Americanism you're describing is a total perversion of the pre-1960s values of this country

>Americanism doesn't care if reality is racist, or not. It has no view on race and only the individual, if the one who cant benefit society is black or white, it does not care.

You're thinking of (((modern))) Americanism created by Jews.

traditional Americanism believed only whites could be Americans.

If you actually believe that, you're a fucking idiot.

>All men are created equal

That's the belief of our founding fathers, you absolute fucking moron.

On what basis? I mean, you are completely fucking wrong, but let's assume you're right. Why does the melanin content of your skin matter?

Please read this:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

American independence was officially achieved in 1789. Less than one year later, the first ever congress of the United States passed the original immigration and naturalization laws for the US. Here we can see the actual, real Americanism that men fought and died for in the Revolution, that the founders intended. The language could not be clear- citizenship was 100% limited only to white peope.

It is an insult and a perversion for you to name your leftist, multicultural, egalitarian ideology "Americanism" when it is the complete oppsosite of what the founders of the US intended, and what Americans largely maintained for almost 200 years.

You are a subversive weasel.

You are the problem in this world.

Believe what?

What you said in that post, you oblivious fuck.

Which is why we live in a free country and you live in a shithole.

Which part? All of it is factually true, so if you let me know which part you believe is incorrect I can provide you with the sources to show you that you're mistaken.

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so many kikes in this bread
keep it up with the civic nationalism and watch your quality of life dissapear while swathes of 3rd worlders vote against your interests

>muttland calling anyone else a shithole
Germany and the rest of western Europe are objectively the best countries in the world. All of our current problems are due to (((american culture))) that is forcibly being pushed on us.

>All men are created equal
Wrong.

I just gained a lot of respect for the founding fathers.

This isn't even worth a response.

Because you know it's true.

I somehow doubt that Washington thought immigration was "foreign influence."

I'm still waiting for you tell me which part of my post was incorrect:

No. It's because I'm too busy laughing my ass off. Now shut up. You're the ones who elected Merkel, not us.

>"The founders of this nation set up..."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington_and_slavery

"In U.S. history, the relationship between George Washington and slavery was a complex one in that, while he held people as slaves for virtually all of his life, he expressed reservations about the institution during his career."

Washington owned slaves. He had no positive view of the black population.

This would be useful to you.

Washington freed them upon his death. Your "point" is moot.

>muh amerimutt

yeah, it sure would.

Yes, that's correct. The founders achieved independence in 1789, and soon after the naturalization laws were put into place in 1790. No non-white people were allowed to become American citizens.

Please read for yourself, the language is plain and simple.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

You're literally some kind of mixed race mongrel aren't you? No one else could possibly consider soon to be third world muttopia to be better than Europe.

Oh boy he freed them upon his death, whoopty fuckin do. He had no intention of ending the institution of slavery. He had a very defined view of race and this showed through his intention to keep the black population enslaved.

Sup Forums thinks the state of america is due to civic nationalism when in reality it was the abandonment of any nationalism that fucked us

when they come here the foremost thing on their minds is not responsibility but rather it is benefits. it used to be the other way around when it came to immigration

whatever you say you non-breeding cucked kraut

You probably would have grown up with that respect if sloppy Bush-supporting boomers sharting in walmart scooters hadn't tarnished American patriotism to the point of it becoming cringey. The quote about Swedes not being white was pretty based though.

>cucked
about that...

Yes. The political discourse is just further evidence of the development of at least two
different Americas.
1) One for the fake Americans who promote globalism, muh Emma Lazarus, multiculturalism, etc.
2) The real Americans who believe in the Founders, our Heritage as an extension of Europe (whether conscious or not), traditionalism, and Faith.

This is not American in the sense that the Founders had in mind. They were very explicit. You have fallen for the post 1965 America vision. It is a betrayal of our heritage.

America is, or, at least was, a nation. A nation is a group of people who share a common culture, history, values, beliefs, AND genetic lineage. We are no longer that country. You are attacking the symptoms.

There is no such thing as a nonwhite America.
Should whites become a minority group in America then America will die you stupid faggot.

Reviewbrah doesn't agree with you, OP. Stop trying to coopt a good guy to your shitting political cause. I bet you don't even own a double-breasted suit, you poorly cressed faggot.

This man is right. Civic nationalists are engaging in wishful thinking. The demographics of our future will tear down the values that the civic nationalists love so much.

And were wholly referring to white people. They had slaves. This is seeming more like a LARP thread now.

Immigrants bring their culture and displace aspects of the native culture. That is influencing the nation you brainlet.

The views of the founding Fathers and the views of literally anyone pre 1965, you fucking moron.

Race isnt just melanin content or lack thereof you Leftypol farthuffer

>falling for this meme again
It's not skin deep

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At least its viable . There will nevwr be a white ethno state. in fact if you tried to create one the vast majority of whites would crush it. Civic nationalism is the best you can hope for. America isnt a white nation and the overwhelming majority of whites are too individualistic to buy the idea of a unified race

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In my opinion, Europe should be the land of conservativism (ie. nations should go back to how they once were, for example, Germany returns to Prussian character). European countries have more of a racial element to protect (ie. their indigenous inhabitants). Europe should not admit any (or very few immigrants).
America, was not founded by one ethnic group. Having said that, America could allow a few immigrants who will benefit the country (likely whites or asians) but not enough to tip demographics.
In my opinion, America should be more libertarian in its character.
Just my opinion though.

Agreed, We need Proper Constitutionalism and a revival in Western Culture. No more of the Hollywood crap

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