You know what?

You know what?
Miyazaki has no right to complain about the otaku ruling the industry internally. Of course the otaku are the one making the stories, character design etc, but mostly the animation.

Miyazaki commented animators today are people who hate seeing other people, and that produce an inbreeding because the language of anime is a copy of copy of a copy. But the reason is very obvious:

Who else but otaku are so dedicated to what they love that they are willing to commit to such a low paying high effort job just to see their dreams (waifus) come to life?

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This old faggot needs to die anyway.

Fuck the anime industry too its all garbage. I want the 90s back.

Because Myiazaki sees himself as an artist and anime as an artistic form of media

otakus making shows for other otakus is harmless sure, but it takes away from Miyazaki's lifes work and devolves it into lifeless moeshit.

Miyazaki has no idea what he's saying. He doesn't watch anime, he doesn't know anything about otaku. No wonder Westerners enthusiastically agree with him.

Moeshit doesn't mean anything. There is no such thing.

Miyazaki himself is otaku too.

Yes, but my point is: What artist WANTS to work on the industry?

Miyazaki is lucky because he's so succesful, but most of the industry isn't. The pay is shit for such working conditions. Delivering fast and producing the show while it's airing? That's insane.

No one in their right mind would do it. And that's exactly why Otaku are the only ones who can.

If Miyazaki had to work for years on the working conditions of serialized anime, he wouldn't be able to say shit. He takes years to release a movie.

He worked in television for about two decades before founding Ghibli. He was even involved in some labor union initiative.

I want Sup Forums and nostalgiafags to leave.

the fuck is this nigger saying?

Epic damage control moefag

Miyazaki, Tezuka and other have built anime into a respectable artistic medium and now otaku are trying to devaluate it

There is no damage control, and moefag doesn't mean anything.

>Miyazaki, Tezuka and other have built anime into a respectable artistic medium and now otaku are trying to devaluate it
Complete fantasy.

>Epic damage control moefag

When a non-Ghibli director makes a movie even as half as good as Mononoke then he can stop complaining.

mission accomplished

nice mem

>anime
>ever being a respectable artistic medium
Not even you believe this.

It is a respectable artistic medium. That you don't think it is just means you aren't an anime fan. Or very intelligent.

Kimi no na wa was not the masterpiece that everybody makes it out to be. It's really overrated. At best, it could be called just "good." I always liked Shinkai's movies for their somber tone and the more comedic/"happy" parts of the movie really dragged it down. The whole "group of kids work together to upstage the stupid adults" just felt like Hollywood's idea of an anime movie.

Ending was pretty good though.

Anime doesn't even respect itself, you faggot.

he said "half as good" though

But Mononoke is not a Ghibli work, it's made by Toei Animation.

epic

It does. You're just projecting.

It's all subjective though

Good point.

>muh artistic medium

I bet you enjoy eromanga-sensei and haven't watched anything before 2007

>respectable
>I can't into quality, so I will replace it with popularity

It is an artistic medium.

Anime didn't stop being a respectable artistic medium in 2007.

>Miyazaki sees himself as an artist
No he doesn't.

I didn't. I'm calling that guy an underage.

>m-m-muh cherry picked anime
Most of it was offensively bad garbage back then too. You're the one who is underage.

It doesn't. You are projecting.

Did you watch Cutie Honey?

No, you are projecting. You people just fundamentally do not like anime and don't take it seriously. But instead of admitting it and moving on, you keep infesting anime communities.

It's hard to compare the two because of the massive genre difference, but I don't think kimi no na wa can be put on the same level as mononoke at all. Just compare the writing by the central thesis
Mononoke: man and beasts alike want to defy nature and bend the order of things to their compelling but ultimately shortsighted needs, they learn that that only brings calamity to all.
Kimi no Na wa: nature wants to fuck shit up but love conquers all and the town is saved.

Shinkai definitely knows how to make things look great and get people emotionally invested in his characters, but he's never made anything very challenging.

Most people don't take anime seriously. Both aniota and haters. Hipsters are minority.

I agree with the guy. Anime, LNs and manga are so self aware of their many tropes they sometimes even willfully use them, not to parody, but to build stories upon them. One example this season is that Eromanga anime. Gave it the three episode rule but I honestly felt like my intelligence was being insulted. Otakus still gobble this shit up so I guess that's exactly what they want.

Someone who does not take anime seriously cannot be an anime otaku.

>I agree with the guy.
Of course you do. You both have no idea what you're talking about.

Anime otaku are the lowest common denominator, enjoying trash like OreImo or the 67th season of Bakeshit

Otaku are not a monolith, and something isn't trash just because it doesn't conform to your pretentious Western normalfag standards.

Miyazaki is right and Moe fags know it

>No one in their right mind would do it. And that's exactly why Otaku are the only ones who can.

I like this

Otaku is in it for cute girls, homo and fun. Literally escaping from boring reality. You can't expect serious evaluation of the medium from these people.

Miyazaki has no idea what he's talking about and moefag doesn't mean anything.

Not enjoying blantantly pandering anime like OreImo or Eromanga isn't being pretentious, it's having some shred of self respect.

Otaku are not a monolith. Otaku in the Western sense don't even exist, they're a mass hallucination.

Something is not pandering just because you don't like it, and yes you are a pretentious normalfag. You need anime to be "artistic" and "deep" so you can look good in front of others.

so animation should only pander to socially inept degenerates

And you are a manchild with no taste

Aren't you the idiot who said anime is a respectable medium? Now you're saying people who don't like lowest comon denominator anime are not true otaku.

I know anime can shit out pretty decent and even amazing stuff sometimes, but I won't sit and gobble garbage like LoveLive or Eromanga, soulless shows that were literally brewed in meeting rooms with extensive market research; using every generic trope available to hit all the beats necesary for your average manchild otaku to obsess over it.

What could be seen as an Otaku in his days is different then what an Otaku currently is. At least what could be consider the foundation of what we know of Otaku culture was just a bunch of people that wanted to express their views on what was going in Japan society because of the after-effects of World War II had on their economy.

What can be consider an Otaku now is really a bunch of people that can be consider losers that want to avoid reality all together. That churn soulless works that doesn't have any real human touch too it.

They are not socially inept if they are capable of buying expensive merch. Being otaku these days is trend in Japan. Otaku now boast about helping Japanese economy through merchandise buying and mobage charging.

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Anime that are philosophically deep are rare.

But so are books that are philosophically deep.
So are TV shows that are philosophically deep.


However, I will say that TV shows recently have been becoming more "well made".
For example, Fargo and Breaking Bad are great. Breaking Bad really has good character growth.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_law

I don't know how often it's true.
But consider this. For every eromanga sensei in anime, there may be a 50 shades of grey in the movie industry, a Jersey Shore in the TV industry, and there are countless poorly written books that get published.

The anime industry does not output as much as the TV/books industry. Which is why it's a lot easier to notice all the shit that comes out like Oreimo, DAL, battle harem #41223 or Isekai #45323.

The anime industry does still produce good stuff.

Those are both memes.

>Now you're saying people who don't like lowest comon denominator anime are not true otaku.
No, I said people who don't anime seriously are not otaku. Lowest common denominator is a meme by the way.

>I know anime can shit out pretty decent and even amazing stuff sometimes, but I won't sit and gobble garbage like LoveLive or Eromanga, soulless shows that were literally brewed in meeting rooms with extensive market research
They aren't garbage just because they don't conform to your normalfag standards, and anime production doesn't work like you think it does.

>generic trope
These words don't really mean anything.

>manchild
Meaningless.

>What can be consider an Otaku now is really a bunch of people that can be consider losers that want to avoid reality all together.
Meme.

>soulless
Meme.

This is so fucking mind-numbing and boring. All people can come up with is memes, buzzwords, memes, buzzwords, memes, over and over again in every thread in every community.

>This thing you just said doesn't mean anything because I have no argument against it.

This is you, my man.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_law
Meme.

The funny thing about isekai anime is that they are actually very diverse despite their specific premise, but all I ever hear is from people is how they are all the same.

It doesn't mean anything because it doesn't mean anything.

I'm tired of you anti-moefags hiding behind Miyazaki when he's been pessimistic about fucking everything animation related since the precious "golden ages" everybody compares modern anime too. He isn't on your side.

Truly you are the only smart and enlightened poster in this thread and not just avoiding conversation

>The funny thing about isekai anime is that they are actually very diverse despite their specific premise, but all I ever hear is from people is how they are all the same.
Meme

>It doesn't mean anything because it doesn't mean anything.
Meme

Miyazaki wanted to draw cute girls too. He isn't that special than your average otaku. Difference is he gave his waifus more freedom as characters that is acceptable enough for mainstream normalfags.

>Meme
Meme
>Meme
Meme

The cycle will never end.
NEVER!

Relying on all these memes and buzzwords is actually avoiding conversation. It's avoiding reality.

Neither of those are memes.

If anime was either an uninteresting as working in western animation (pre-school shows) or profitable (Pixar) then japanese animators would probably be paid more. Unfortunately not.

>Difference is he gave his waifus more freedom as characters that is acceptable enough for mainstream
So he gives his characters more CHARACTER as opposed to passive waifus with no personality aside from one or two stablished archetypes that get shit out in most seasonal anime? And this is not a good thing because?

>normalfags
This doesn't mean anything

>implying something needs to be philosophically deep or 'intellectual' in order to be good
>sturgeon's law

>passive waifus with no personality aside from one or two stablished archetypes that get shit out in most seasonal anime
This is complete gibberish. This has nothing to do with reality. This is echo chamber meme drivel.

Which anime would you consider philosophically deep?

>everything I disagree with is a meme!
Fucking retard

I never said that. I gave two examples, Breaking Bad and Fargo. Neither are deep.

If you want an example of an entertaining anime that's not deep, look at FMA.

Buy you sure are delusional, are you saying Sagiri from Eromanga is a deep and complex character, and not just an imouto type so that otakus can waifu and make fanart of?

Kino no Tabi.
Not mushishit. That's for sure.

If you don't like cute anime girls, you don't like anime.

The fact that people are throwing around memes like confetti has nothing to do with me.

Characters don't necessarily need to be deep and complex. This is yet more pretentious normalfag shit. Also hypocritical since plenty of Western media don't have deep and complex characters either, but nobody minds.

>Moeshit doesn't mean anything. There is no such thing.

You are such a special snowflake faggot holy shit

Not favourable to otaku because they want to write waifus according to their own ideal standard

I like them, but I also like them with some substance and personality.

>more pretentious normalfag shit
This doesn't mean anything, there is no such thing. Meme, etc. See how easy is to discuss to your level?

>Books that are philosophically deep are rare
But it does explore a few concepts here and there. It also borrows heavily from Eastern folklore and philosophy.

Yeah because memes and buzzwords are OK when Sup Forumsutists use them right?

thats not even his best movie though

That's what I said.

No, you are just dumb.

> See how easy is to discuss to your level?
It isn't my level, it is yours. You are the ones using memes and buzzwords almost exclusively and saying things that don't mean anything.

Reasoning??? In Sup Forums???

This doesn't mean anything

The only anime I like is moe. Miyazaki can fuck off.

>>Books that are philosophically deep are rare
Rare in terms of the market, yes. It's very easy to find a philosophically deep book. But that's because there have been so many books written in the world.

We are on Sup Forums right now.

Epic post good sir. You imitated me without having any comprehension of what I'm talking about, that is really for the win.

That's like saying if you don't like vapid mainstream pop you don't like music
Fucking idiot

Meme

Yeah, you're a fucking idiot. You have no idea what's going on here.

Imagine being this stubborn, Jesus Christ. You are literally covering your ears and cannot refute a single point.

but Miyazaki makes moe anime

You are literally projecting.

I'm just happy to know that more animators are dying because of work-related stress.

Manchild

He said every work of fantasy is a piece of shit including his own and we all need to get rid of our technology and go live outside.

If you like moeshit I'm gonna kick your ass

Nothing wrong with living outside. It builds character, makes you fitter, prettier, smarter, wiser and longer-lived.

>projecting
Buzzword

Copy-pasta arguments invoking sturgeons law to defend the quality of a medium you can find anywhere is reasoning now?
You would have a point if I said a single genre like pop. And no, mo-ay is not a genre.