He's been training in secret

>He's been training in secret
>He's been holding back since DB started
>He's most certainly above Cell tier


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Based Roshi.

Are you memeing or did that happen?
I dont follow super

Suddenly every old character is pretty fucking strong because "they were also training"

Thats funny, I guess they didnt want to keep ignoring the old characters forever.

It's real
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well roshi was pretty strong in DB original, he was most likely the strongest human

Tenshian evolved into machamp?

and he's weaker than roshi

He was able to do that in DB.

Did you never fucking watch dragon ball?

Yeah decades ago, I forgot I guess.

>People complain for years that the side cast is useless
>Side cast finally made useful
>People complain

>Android 17 trains and gets his own episode
>Old geezer trains and gets his own episode

So what happens if Arale trains for like, 5 minutes?

Nonsense shit is nonsense shit regardless. If you wanna upgrade the characters give a reasonable explanation as of why they're suddenly that strong, don't asspull it with
>le secret training

You are taking a gag manga too seriously.

At least Goku only used base form with Roshi. I would've been pissed if he used memeblue like he has been doing with everybody.

every character got a huge fucking bump because otherwise the upcoming battle royale would be a curb stomp as everyone below goku, vegeta, buu & gohan is weak as fuck

Well it makes sense, he was the world's strongest before Goku showed up.

He's also eternally young.

He isn't young though. He is immortal but still old.

>master roshi saga edgy af 13 ovas when

its like they hate money

>Powerlevelfags bitching again

The series' writing is so shitty that it might be possible

>implying you would just sit arround when most of your disciples surpassed you.

Also, we never saw the full extend of Roshi's power during the whole franchise.

Dragon Ball is and has always been a trash parody.

>retards eating shit up as usual

Actually after kid goku manages to surpass roshi at one of the tournaments, yaijarobe easily beats one of piccolo's mutant kids which goku was struggling with.

So when he was introduced, yaijarobe was probably the strongest human on earth, he just never really improved ever.

I'd say we probably saw it when King Piccolo killed him because why would he be holding back and just take his own death.

Dragon Ball was never about powerlevels, you crybaby. When they were introduced, they were made obsolete just as quickly. Either enjoy the non-saiyans coming in for another shot at popularity or keep crying, your choice.

I mean, their bump wasn't that big aside from Roshi.

For example, Krillin is still massively outpowered by Gohan who was training with Piccolo for 50 episodes.

people complained characters existed that didn't do shit. instead of suddenly asspulling them to godlike levels without any explanation, they could've done better.

they also could've used characters that actually had potential to get stronger like goten and trunks.

what the fuck do you want them to do?
There were 7 years in between buu and cell, and at least a few in between buu and super. We don't even know how long has passed since the start of super. Why would the side cast sit still? At the very least, we know Roshi, Tien, and Piccolo are the types to train and 17 been ranging it up in the park

I'm not saying they should all be SS3 level, but they've always practiced off screen and the saiyans have shown them that getting infinitely stronger is possible. What more explanation do you want?

He never fought Piccolo though, he took some attacks and then tried the Mafuba, which he misses and dies because of it.

No one fucking cares about goten and trunks.

SO basically roshi could have saved the world many times but never lifted a finger.

Bravo, Toei.

Personally I love it

holy shit goku and gohan's voice is so annoying, I hope dubs are not that bad

>and the saiyans have shown them that getting infinitely stronger is possible.
Yes, because they're Saiyans. This is the equivalent of a toddler training "a few years" and suddenly being on par with Hulk Hogan and Bruce Lee.

I find more funny how Roshi owned Tien in his own episode.

>piccolo is an alien
>roshi is immortal and taught goku his signature move
>tien has 3 eyes, both he and krillin have also trained with kami/popo, tien trained under king kai
>17/18 are stronger than super saiyans at base and have infinite stamina
>majin buu is an ancient evil djinn
try again
besides, it's clear goku and vegeta are still by far the strongest, and they've chosen their teammates based on technique and strategies, not just power output.

Besides it's been a fucking decade for these guys to train. The series has "lol anger" "lol water" "lol i almost died" "lol an alien touched me" and "lol gravity for 6 days" as methods of exponentially growing stronger.

Saiyans are shitters though, Goku and Vegeta were the first two in eons to even approach the level of the actual warriors of the galaxy. They're a race that always depends on transformations to unlock their power.

Can he fly though?

Flight is banned in the ToP

He wasn't. Every main enemy after the 21st budokai was stronger

Wait what? Why?

It's not about power levels though. It's about showing consistency in what's previously been displayed as possible by the characters.

Speak for yourself

I'm actually fine with all that. I'm just a bit butthurt over Tien not getting to be the focus of his own focus episode. We got an entire episode about Goku & 17 beating up some space poacher guy for no real reason (Goku mentioning the Super Dragon Balls is what persuades 17 to join anyway), they could've thrown Tien a bone for atleast a scene or two here.

they're also retarded and wouldn't get stronger without bumming off other people's techniques/training methods.

it's not. if you get thrown out of the ring you won't be able to fly

>>roshi is immortal and taught goku his signature move
Means shit. Immortality and power level are separate things, and only taught Goku a basic ki-wave that most other characters learnt to do one way or the other.
Don't make shit up to pretend Roshi is anything but an entry level earthling trainer.

Arale is already canon stronger than SSB Goku.

Aah the good old deflection.

Why is Goku so bad at persuading people
>Fight with us
>You'll get money
>Shit that was my only plan!

Yes, that is certainly what you are trying.

Sugarcoating characters at being more than what they actually are is definitely an example of deflection.
I can't imagine anyone writing that bs sugarcoat about Roshi with a straight face.

Because he's a retard who thinks everyone is interested in money. Probably because Chichi is always making a huge deal about it.

>>roshi is immortal and taught goku his signature move
Correction: he's a frail old geezer who cant go past that and die of old age anymore. Also he didn't teach Goku his signature move, Goku learnt it himself by seeing it once. Definitely scrub-tier material at this point, even Yamcha's stronger.
>>tien has 3 eyes, both he and krillin have also trained with kami/popo, tien trained under king kai
Means shit in the current powerlevel charts. And what's that thing about having 3 eyes? What does it matter? Unknown.

Tien and Roshi being on the same level as everyone else makes no sense other than for fan fapbait.

What or who would you have taken instead of those two?

it's much stronger than a basic ki wave but you'd know that if you paid any fucking attention. immortality also means he's old as shit, not dying anytime soon, and has centuries of battle experience and techniques under his belt OTHER than kamehameha. mafuba, turtle style paralysis, bulk up technique that doesn't slow him down, etc. Roshi could blow up the fucking moon and took out an oozaru m8, that's more than most civilizations can say for themselves. without him goku wouldn't have had any idea what training WAS and on top of that he's seen all of the techniques his students have developed as well. you're the one making shit up mate.

>no argument

>tien and roshi at gohan/vegeta/goku level

did you watch the episode? goku didn't even go super saiyan. not to mention roshi was full strength and powered up by witchcraft. I think you either haven't watched any of super, or you must be mexican.

>it's much stronger than a basic ki wave but you'd know that if you paid cut

None of what you just wrote changes the fact that Roshi is far, far, far outclassed by anyone else by now. He's like a lvl.10 "secret" teacher in a game where players are lvl200 and counting already. Unless he trains for something like centuries and with some super-insane powerups and hijinks there's no way he could fight on anywhere near the same level as his pupils now.

>more sugarcoating
>bunch of outclassed meaningless techniques
>oh shit so he can blow up a small moon if he tries really really hard, that changes everything!

kek

I especially like that part about "taking out an oozaru" (when he really just cut his tail by surprise), dishonest sugarcoating at its finest.

>Unless he trains for something like centuries
Centuries? Whose ass did you pull that number from? His pupils reached that far in a few decades, usually in exponential rates, so why can't he?

>sugarcoating
What is it with autists and their tendency to latch onto a single word and use it to label all the complaints they ever have? Why do they do this?

Because that's what you're doing.

>Roshi is not only at full power, but possessed by some bitch
>His attack is deflected by Goku into a mountain/pillar and doesn't even damage it
Hercule faceplanting into a wall is about as strong as a ki-blast from Roshi. How is this supposedly "much stronger" than he was in early Z? This is just as bad as SSJ4 Goku being surprised that Omega Shenron destroyed an entire city in GT, a feat that was already mundane by the Namek saga.

You misrepresent the issue here.
The problem is that the side characters who aren't Saiyans or sometimes Piccolo got utterly sidelined by retarded powerscaling (On Namek Goku's power level goes from 18000 (assuming the Zenkai from fighting Vegeta doubled his power) to deep in the millions). The solution is not to randomly make everyone as strong as a super saiyan god (looking at you here 17) because 'muh training'.

The solution has been staring us right in the face all this fucking time: Whis. I'm certain 90% of the people who are complaining right now would be able to accept everyone jumping in power if Whis trained them. This would be about as much as an asspull as Goku training with Kami, or with King Kai, or in the Otherworld. Still kind of an asspull, but not exactly inconsistent.

>>tien has 3 eyes, both he and krillin have also trained with kami/popo, tien trained under king kai
Which reminds me.
Why didnt they just pull the kaioken out of his ass and call it a day?
Tien should easily be above Cell by now, considering how power scaling works in DB. Just make him do some kaioken shit + Kikoho and a lot of people would shit their pants in the tournament.

Because he's not a supersaiyan and neither got Guru's unlock potential powerup or King Kai's training in super-gravity and a bunch of other things all the other characters had.

The lowest of Frieza's goons in Namec arc would destroy Roshi with a spit.

>I'm just a bit butthurt over Tien not getting to be the focus of his own focus episode

yeah. Yurin , Roshi , the saiyan girls
He got pretty much shoved to the sidelines in his own episode
seems to be getting his ass kicked in the preview too

>Tien and Roshi being on the same level as everyone else makes no sense other than for fan fapbait.
I object. Tien should be on a level above everyone else except the Saiyans because he's the only who really NEVER stopped training.

who is this semen demon

There's something called "limits" though. Saiyans are by nature infinite in growth potential + Zenkai and Crilin/Gohan got some special boost by Guru, but Tien got none of that.
There's just so much power you can get through simply mundane earthling training and lifting weights.

Yurin a cute!

...

Tien got King kai's training though, which Krillin didnt.
And I dont think those "limits" were ever mentioned to exist in humans, feels more like your headcanon.

He used his full power when he fought Goku and got his ass kicked. Only reason he won was because he pulled some moon shenanigans

So basically you just want DB to keep being the Saiyan show.

>Is forgiven for utterly destroying a city instead of being flung face-first into a mountain
I thought Tien was a bro.

Wasnt Guru's boost just a raw powerboost and nothing else?
Like, it made Krillin and Gohan go to Vegeta's level and that was it without any other effects?

cute, CUTE

I'm not into other pedophiles anymore, most of the older guys I've met have connections and share good older videos, but they are unpleasant to be around.

Remember when Ten Shin Han wanted to fucking KILL people and become the best Assassin this world would know?

This

Wtf is super literally Pokémon now

Fucking pathetic

It's undeniable that the earthling's progression was much much slower than anybody else around them.

> original anime filler was Goku and friends fighting enemies and saving the world
> Super filler is Pilaf is hungry on a boat

I don't think I can make it through any more episodes. It's not gonna get better is it?

Tien would undeniably be homosexual if he rejected a kung-fu witch who's this tsundere for him.

What happened to Master Crane and Launch?

>Implying anyone besides the Saiyans and Piccolo are above Cell tier

He's probably above Namek Freeza but that's it

So basically I want things to make sense, see >The solution is not to randomly make everyone as strong as a super saiyan god (looking at you here 17) because 'muh training'.

Are you literally forgetting the DBZ filler that was Goku and Piccolo learning how to drive? Are you forgetting Super's baseball episode?

The original had serious and hilarious filler, fuck off with your revisionist history.

The weirder thing was that he did it here and then didn't even get to show it off, he immediately got wrecked.

I don't even care for the character much but goddamn he got shat on hard in this episode.

Dumb cunt stop trying to fit in you look retarded.

Wait a minute, I think I remember Yurin from Attack of the Saiyans. Am I crazy?

Guess he got a boner from her determination to fight him.
And perhaps being an old crane school girl might have gotten Yurin some points? who knows

dead and forgotten

a bit
might have been her sister

The original filler was actually funny or entertaining, super is cringeworthy modern anime gook shit

HONJIRU

I don't give a damn how paper thin the excuse is or how little sense it makes, I'll accept any flimsy justification they can come up with to pull the beloved but painfully obsolete characters off of the bench and back into relevance.

I still miss the Trunks Goten adventures from the start of super, as well as Vegeta cooking for Beerus which was the shit