>Nen
>Devil Fruits
>Stands
>Alchemy
>Quirk
>whatever the fuck they use in magi
I like Nen best by shee absurdity of the powers (pic related) without breaking the rules, devil fruits sometimes don't make sense, how come luffy body is made of rubber but he is not a rubber logia, still love one piece tho
>wich
>shonen
>still love one piece tho
you're good at this aren't you?
Nen is the best.
This was a good thread, no one reply after me unless you're agreeing.
I agree.
I too agree
If luffy were a logia, he could produce rubber.
Arbitrary power ups out of nowhere is best? It's no different than ki from dbz.
Chakara over everything nigga. Believe it!
If you're stupid, sure that's what happened
Nen obviously.
It has a very strict ruleset that's also extremely flexible. I can be fucking anything as long as you play by the rules well enough. And no matter what it does it cannot be an asspull because all it's rules have been set from day 1.
>And no matter what it does it cannot be an asspull
O MY RUBBER NEN
Yeah, uh you didn't refute his point.
So are stands 2nd
I like that the majority Stands depend on the user's intlegence to be useful. One with the ability to tear through reality never won many fights while one stand that's just string beat a stand that could summon a meteor
>it cannot be an asspull
Rubber Nen my friend.
Stands are absolute shit. No rules, no consistency, and constant asspulls.
Alchemy is deceptively simple but is tightly constructed. It's laws boils down to "equivalent exchange". Absolutely anyone can learn it but not everyone can master it to the point of being combat effective. So some people are simple medical alchemist while others are "dogs of the military", essentially living tanks. It prevents anyone from getting too overly powerful and forces users to have specially made equipment like gloves and gauntlets just to make them combat effective. No aura/ki bullshit here either, so even if alchemist can move mountains or explode the ground, one good shot with a gun can take down anyone unless one can use souls/philosopher stones. It also limits what kind of alchemy one does as it takes a lifetime to study unless you see the Truth (sure a normal person like Roy can study Flame alchemy and medical alchemy, but it obviously takes time to do so, mastering Flame Alchemy itself took all of his young adult life), and actually follow its own rules, preventing loopholes and abuses like "power of friendship", "getting very angry", or "oh my rubber nen."
I think because it is very heavily connected to the theme of the show on how you can't get something for nothing, that it prevents it from being completely over the top for its own good. It's because the power isn't there for its own sake to make battles cooler, but is an intrinsic part of the world it is in that makes it a great power system.
all of them are unique in their own regard the main difference being the application and presentation
Nen and Stands are both fucking stupid. Super powers shouldn't work like fucking contracts with terms and conditions, that's so arbitrary and fucking stupid. At least quirks and devil fruits make sense and how powerful it is depends on your talent and perseverance, not "OH MY RUBBER NEN REVIVE ME" bullshit
There aren't a whole lot of power level ass pulls with stands though. And a lot of things have several chapters leading up to something as well.
And who the fuck are you, the man who came up with the concept of superpowers? Get over yourself, you cretin. There is no unilateral approach to introducing superpowers, not every fictional verse work the same way or follow the same rules.
Not surprising you'd gush over Devil Fruits either
Stands and it's not even a contest.
Nen is neat tho.
Stands are literal trash.
>Nen can become stronger through death
Not an asspull no matter how much you wanna say it is.
Nice argument.
>I can become as strong as god by putting a stake on my heart and I will die if I use my power for anything else other than fight this group of people
>lmao it seems I can take out the stake cause i'm that awesome
Nen makes so much sense and isn't broken at all.
Alchemy maybe. As i remember there's a cost for everything which is nice. Nen try to be explained but it's still asspulls in the end. Devil fruit have no rules at all. Literally anything can be a power. At least Oda can contain himself from creating OP shit
Shizuku is cute. Cute!
i agree nen is the coolest
Nen > Stands > Everything else
Nen is great and stands are crazy creative.
Nen and Stand are on top
I suppose this thinly veiled jab at Kurapika is supposed to mean something. Two things though, what is this shit about being as strong as god with the stake? The minute folks heard the part "I can use 100% of all nen catagories", people who don't pay attention probably went immediately to "Hyuk hyuk, gosh guess that makes Kurapika the strongest character in the show." Except that's flat out wrong. Kurapika can use 100% of the catagories that he's physically capable of producing. What's 100% in Enhancement for a non-native Enhancer =/= 100% of a native one. That's why Kurapika said that his 100% punch is only slightly stronger than Uvogin's body with no nen whatsoever, added to the fact that he was recovering from a fight prior to theirs.
And two, if he removed the stake than his Spider specific chains don't work. And it's not something you can turn off and on. It's a matter of conviction and resolve. If that goes, the nen won't work the way you want it to. Worst case is you can't use nen anymore.
Oversoul is the best one
Yes and?
>And it's not something you can turn off and on.
But he specifically said that he can.
This is the most reasonable post in the thread. Thanks user.
stronger through death doesnt mean omnipotence
>"oh my rubber nen turn me into an immortal rubber man that absorbs people and turns them into candy after I die"
Enlighten me then because all he said was that it can be used on other people. Don't recall him ever saying it can be turned off and on at a whim. He still has the chain on his heart.
Good thing that that is not what happened at all making your example completely invalid.
I like the abilities in World Trigger the most if that counts, granted the system itself doesn't have much risk to it but it gives more chances for the characters to be more tactical, Nen is a close second for me.
>tfw no new chapters of either
devi fruits are better and the powers are more unique, biscuit fruit is a good example
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Stands are the best
>smuganimeface.jpg
But you just did for me, the power to block nen can be only used against the spiders, but every other power can be used normally with his gay eyes on, how convenient right?
Zanpakuto are the best conceptually, Devil Fruits are the best in practice.
Nen is overrated.
also Luffy is not a rubber logia because to be a logia you have to have the ability to both be and produce whatever your fruit is, and luffy can only be rubber he cant make it. thus, hes a paramecia.
What makes nen so flexible are the peculiarities that Togashi intentionally didn't explain. I wouldn't call it an asspull but I doubt he could write those rules in a solid manner, even more considering the mental, psychological and spiritual aspects of it.
Stands are cool in concept since it can be any weird shit the author can think of with a ridiculous set of rules. But at that point they're not really powers, more like plot contrivances and an excuse for conflict in the case of stands like Superfly or that thing that attaches to your back.
Problem is In practice, and because Araki is a bad narrative writer (but great for suspense and creative situations) Stands are full of bullshit.
And? Only other chain used for offense is Judgement Chain. Which can be dodged if you use Gyo from the beginning.
Are you gonna cry about Scarlet Enhanced Dowsing Chain or Holy Chain? Enhanced healing is somehow a deal breaker?
>Zanpakuto
They're a really shitty version of Oversoul
I don't think you need a "system", just freeball things.
>Before
>"My resolve its absolute, in order to gain the power to fight the spider I will put on stake the most important thing, my life"
>"I will not use this power with anyone else otherwise i'll die on the spot, this will be my chain, this will be my power"
Oh that's pretty cool.
>now
>"Oh the restriction you say? Lol, that was just for one little power"
>"The resolve you said? It seems I just can do whatever I want plus this cool power to kill spiders lmao"
Whatever you said man, whatever you said.
that is definitely NOT a good idea
maybe, i havent read shaman king though
So you got no argument then. M'kay.
You people try so hard to overrate Kurapika to being a walking tank just so you can cry about him being OP. It's kinda sad.
Quirks are fun in how restrictive they are. So far (and hopefully forever) the power has to originate from the body. They can't just poof something into existence. It's all just biological processes.
NEN
NO CONTEST
DESU, the last asspulls from stands were in part 5 from that Arrow power up wherein Giorno's stand got the absolute perfect power to countereact with Diavolo's time skipping.
>Alchemy is deceptively simple but is tightly constructed.
Yeah, they do such equivalent exchanges when they make whatever from the Earth. Or when Mustang creates a path of oxygen to his target to fire them up somehow. Which he also didn't need to do when he fired Envy's eyes.
Nen did equivalent exchange much better than alchemy ever did.
>Quirk
Quirks will always sound stupid to me, I don't care if it is the right definition, it still sounds so unappealing to listen to.
>extremely flexible
PROPERTIES
>i'm just pretending to be retarded
My point was stated 2 hours ago, nen is broken and its "restrictions" are a joke, you insignificant fanboy, maybe it was my mistake, I thought you were trying to defend HxH not just a crying fagboy.
I already refuted your points and you resorted to greentexting because you never really had an argument beyond "Urgh, Kurapika too stronk cuz I said so". I guess I shouldn't have expected much.
That ayylien magiteck from World Trigger is pretty interesting.
Kurapika is too strong because he say so, keep crying but I will stop replying to you right now.
I don't really care what you do, so I'll take that as a concession, I guess.
Only two of his abilities are tailored towards combat but they are can be easily dodged if you use Gyo to see that he's using Conjured chains. But the mind goes blank when you hear "100%" and "special eyes". I can't help that.
>it cannot be an asspull
>extremely flexible.
This is pretty subtle bait user I love it
All of them except for Nen. It's overcomplicated
(and magi, I've no idea what that is)
At least FMA fucking finished before we all die
Yeah but at least jojo was more interesting hunter x hunter. Not one moment in that entire series matched the first episode of part 2 where he blows the vampire away with the tommy guy. The show is just one entire fucking blue ball where the only interesting thing is the phantom troupe which is half the length of the naruto tier chimera ant arc.
Anthropomorphic representations of fucking roller skates
Seriously now, Psyren started treating psychic powers really well. It went all-in on the bullshit by the second half of it, sadly
And I've always had a soft spot for Innocence/Akuma in D. Gray Man and how each level was shown to be a big deal
True. HxH is kinda overrated. The same goes for Nen. I always imagine that people who like it and think it's unique and amazing on't even read other manga.
>tfw nothing in anime/manga comes close to Sanderson-level magic systems.
Rukh (Magi)
Nen is bullshit and the rest are just dumb.
Dragonball has the best powerlevel system because there's no illogical bullshit, it's just about getting stronger and punching harder and making bigger blasts.
Devil fruits
None of them are magic bullets and none of them are innately stronger than another.
An ongoing theme of OP is that even the shittiest devil fruit can be strong as fuck if used properly and vice versa.
There has never one been a villain whose main threat was his power. It's always overshadowed by character traits like perseverance, ambition, greed, anger etc etc etc etc
tl;dr devil fruits are best because the character defines the power and not the other way around.
That's just you being presumptuous. It's not even all that complicated.
I can appreciate this post.
This, but unironically.
DB has the worst power system: it's boring, doesn't provide any tension, and suffers from powercreeping.
In the end, all anime powers are fueled by suffering of catgirls.
>That's just you being presumptuous. It's not even all that complicated.
It's an opinion, not a presumption. And yeah, it's not that complicated, it's just more complicated that it needs to be. In practice there's no real difference between my rubber nen and baito za dasuto to justify all the rules and branches of Nen
>logias are elements, parmacias are solids you doorknob
nen and devil fruits because they are very unique and flexible but also have structure, and are only as good as you are at using them for the most part. basically what said
nen is especially good because of how different each power is but the rules put in place prevents bullshit from happening while still not imposing very much limitations
ninjutsu was also pretty good until the scale became too great and eye hax powers became the end all be all
TCG skill
The Rukh is the most interesting system. Nen is well done for fighting, but it isn't well explained what role it has in the world, how it affects the world, how it was born and why it exists. The Rukh of Magi is very well studied, all the shades are revealed.
>how come luffy body is made of rubber but he is not a rubber logia
Logias aren't made from an element, they can produce the element, control it and turn their bodies into it to nulify damage. Luffy is constantly rubber, he can't rebuild himself like a logia when his body is damaged, he can neither produce nor control rubber outside of his body.
Was it that hard?
I don't think something like "Nen getting stronger after death" is such an out there concept in any case. Throughout the several on panel depictions, all it's shown that nen is capable of functioning after then user has died. That's it. All Hisoka did was use that feature to create a makeshift defibrillator using the properties of his own nen. Nen itself didn't nuke Hisoka from the afterlife..
Once you go Nen you can't go Den.
Killua is cute!
I know what he did, but I still have an issue with this kind of writing: if you have strict rules, but still bend them left and right for the plot convinience, then what's the reason for having a system at all? Why would I be even interested in all the aspects of Nen if in the end the author can still do whatever he wish to? It's a completely pointless element of a story then.
Beet the Vandal Buster ( fucking Scans for new chapters FUCKING WHERE)
System where with training you can learn magic and strengthen yourself
When you get strong enough you develop your own weapon based on your personality.
All Busters have levels which are good indicators but a Buster can train without gaining levels.
Vandals have a star based system 1-8 with an exact number of the top class vandals so no asspulls.
It's very straight forward and simple, the characters are great and yeah best Shounen battle mang
That wasn't even an asspull, since it was foreshadowed constantly for a couple volumes
Oh yes you can, my man
Why is he so Jewish??
Because jewish is a cute
But what rule is it bending?
Early Yorknew, a cassette tape recorded ten years ago still had the function to rewind after it's been played.
More or less the same concept applies to Hisoka's application which I found to be clever. Unless you don't like revivals period
My suspension of disbelief just breaks when a character on a brink of death suddenly finds a way to bend the rules of his magic to start his heart (which is not what defibrilation does) and gets off the hook without any consequences. I would buy it if there were a few cases of this kind of stuff beforehand, but that's just an asspull. And I'm not against those, but what's the point of having such an accent on all those rules then?
I can't see how using his nen's elastic properties to expand and contract on his heart and lungs is not an application of defibrillation, or perhaps I should have said CPR.
Plus,for me personally, given Hisoka's wildcard nature and unpredictability, something like this fits him like a glove.
Nen would be the best if the author didn't literally divide nen into categories and say that the last one was "others". If he wants to create a stupid nen power that doesn't fit the rules of the show->others
rule:you can't have more than 2 nen power types
Exception: wait there's this special power that allows you to use more than 2 nen power types
And its better this way cause no one in the manga actually understands nen 100%
Speedreading truly is the greatest sin
Uhh, actually everyone can potentially use all the nen types. The efficacy however varies greatly. The further the nen type you are trying to learn is from your own native nen type, the harder it is to learn.
Nen type can also change
this is going to be Kallua's big thing assuming the author doesn't die from space aids.
but overall kind of stupid
>You're a transmuter
>Well anyone can be a specialist if they meet the right criteria
Big bag of plot armor introduced
>Big bag of plot armor introduced
Except being a specialist doesn't suddenly make you unbeatable