The most cathartic and climactic scene in the entire series and movie

>The most cathartic and climactic scene in the entire series and movie
>a straight up plagiarism of 'Hey Jude' plays

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why the FUCK is this allowed? i literally couldn't stop laughing. it ruined the entire film and franchise.

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By that logic any reuse of a chord progression is plagiarism. I liked the song it fit well. Especially when everyone gets tanged

Did you know Asuka is a straight up plagiarism of Kushana?

Anno even copied from doujins. What a crappy character.

Kom Susser Tod is a better song than Hey Jude and I'd listen to it over Hey Jude 10 times out of 10

>Anno liked Asuka so much he copied from his favorite doujins, yet managed to create an original and interesting character
>Results in one of the most realistic portrayals of fragile teenagers
>Simple, yet amazing and easily recognizable character design
>She withstands the hardships of loneliness and bravely comes back to face the reality
>The author openly says she's the best girl
Based

Shitty waifu for shitty plebs like yourself.

>nausicaa is doujin

>.
Wow, you sure showed me there, kiddo
Stay mad at my and Anno-san's superior taste

Kill yourself retard.

what is wrong with you op?

Thank God for Rebuild.

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Cancer

This scene just made me mad. Komm Susser Tod fit NGE's tone so perfectly but this just felt forced. Like "omg it's like old eva!! wacky music!!" Not to mention it's just a kid's folk song or whatever, not a song about suicide.

Plagiarized how? Hey Jude didn't invent the pop song with chorus accompaniment and what said stands as well. You just don't know anything about music so you're comparing it to the one other song you know that is similar.

Komm Susser Tod is a song about the end of humanity as we know it, and the feeling being conveyed is sad about what's happened but joyful about what's soon to come. One of the major warning signs that a person is about to commit suicide is when somebody who's been acting miserable suddenly brightens up from the relief of knowing they have a plan and the pain will be over soon. (Then they start doing stuff that you might expect of someone who'll be dead in another week: seeing all their friends one last time, spending money recklessly, taking care of unfinished business in general, etc.) You can dislike the song just as a matter of taste but it still captures that irony of looking at death like the magic solution to every problem you've ever had and looking forward to it.

>this is bait in 2017

Boring

Hi Anno! It would be a shame if someone forwarded plagiarism to the beatles now wouldnt it...

Eva is bad

>Different melody
>Different chord progression

Hey Jude is in F while Komm Süsser Tod is in A#. Put some effort next time user.

Boy is Rahxephon boring. I've watched it twice and all I remember is the reptilian mother with weird voice.

can someone give a quick rundown of the end of evangelion. the last episode was fucking retarded

Just watch it user

They are barely alike

I don't think someone could actually.

>they couldn't understand end of evangelion

people like you actually exist?

my retarded 8 year old brother perfectly understood it

>invincible in battle
this is not a positive thing, its just boring.
>senpai baka
kill yourself

The "religious" apocalypse was always supposed to be an event of joy for believers, he just copied that and many more things, you should had know it by the end.

Simply put, eva is just regurgitated shit by a sad homosexual japanese otaku.

>i don't understand evangelion
>it's bad
>wtf is going on
>dumb plot
>i want something more simple

>nb4 the "Shinji is a pussy" crowd coming in.

I just started the animu yesterday.
I just started episode 24.

I don't think I've ever seen characters and situation fall apart as hard and as fast as I did in episode 19 on wards.
People said it was more a character drama but I don't think I expected this. I won't praise this for being a masterpiece, but god damn if people weren't right about everything hitting the fan hard.
I love it.

You need to watch the movie, the TV end was botched due to outside pressure

i love it too, but production difficulties objectively gave us a worse product than what it could have been.

they needed a few more episodes in the middle to space out the angel appearances and actually show the cohesion and inward growth of the pilots before they begin to collapse. something to make as actually feel like the three pilots were developing relationships with eachother instead of rei being boring old distant rei like she was in the beginning, and asuka being a cute tsundere into a straight-up hateful unlikable bitch. Shinji and Misato displayed great growth in the middle of the series, the other two pilots desperately needed something like that.

some other things like ritsuko's breakdown needed more than 1 episode and asuka's backstory being revealed earlier and her actually doing something and having character development instead of being catatonic and having like 4 lines in the last 7 episodes and movie is also necessary

further explanations of things like the spear of longinus, dead sea scrolls, SEELE's actual goals, fruit of knowledge/fruit of life, how asuka's mom got involved in the EVA project, etc is needed

it sucks because i love the anime but some of these problems are so apparent and obvious its hard too ignore them. If anyone of you have seen The Wire, imagine if Naymond in season 4 never had the scenes with his dad and mom, but everything else was the same and we were supposed to feel sympathetic for this smart kid who doesn't fit in the ghetto. It's a fucking mess of storytelling.

asuka best

which movies though.
1.0 and 2.0?
Or all the other ones on KissAnime that I've never heard of?

Short bursts of stuff works a lot more to leave more to the imagination, but I agree. Some things could have been explained more.

Moving onto 25.

End of evangelion

what about 1.0 and 2.0, senpai?
I've only heard not to watch 3.0

Watch episode 25 and 26, then End of Evangelion.

Is that you 8gb-kun?

Enjoy the movie.

all the new shit is shit, don't watch it, only watch the original series and end of evangelion

pffft. that nausicaa song was way worse. you know the one.

1.0's Ramiel fight is fucking amazing though so there's that

ye
okay senpai. think I"ll probably stop after 26 for the night though and watch EoE tomorrow. Just marathoned from episode 8 to now so think I need a fucking break

The rebuilds are another full discussion. A lot of hate because there are a lot of changes and an uneasy feeling about it. There is no reason what so ever to watch it as soon as you finish the original run, as it will confuse you, there are a few contradictory stuff, etc.
Finish the series and the EoE movie. Let it sink in, read explanations and theories, come here, try to discuss, build an opinion about it of the next few weeks / months.
When you feel you want see some of the "alternate" eva stuff, go for it.

actually fuck it, I know what's at the end of 26 and I think it will only serve to make me upset.
As much as I like character dev and monologue, I think i'm honestly gonna have to rewatch 25 before I move on to 26 and EoE

I rarely get baited but you've got me OP. Komm Susser Todd is structurally completely different from Hey Jude. They both open with the same chord progression, then deviate entirely.

>actually fuck it, I know what's at the end of 26 and I think it will only serve to make me upset.

it made everyone mad but it was only made because Anno ran out of money/time. Think of it as a really shitty metaphor for the movie which is the true canon ending.

26 is even more monologue and character development than 25. I think you will like 26, the ending actually has a lot of weight, it just looks silly without context.
But sure, both 25 and 26 are super dense and worth multiple watches.

I remember when i first finished eva. I started around episode 16 at midnight saying "i will only watch one episode tonight and sleep". I finished EoE around 7AM of that day

>Really shitty metaphor.
Although not canon, its pretty clear anno put effort and though on it, and it was a decent closure to the characters, even though it felt too "deus ex machina-y" and "perfect" against the rest of the series.

Plus all monologues can be considered "canon-like behavior".

I don't doubt I'll like it, it's just a lot to take in for my autstic mind to not start scrubbing the video buffer preview for different things and seeing more monologue and I'd rather give it a fair chance again when I'm not tired and burnt out.

>26 is even more monologue and character development
>character development

lets not go that far

does this show even hold up? haven't seen it in well over a decade. been getting the urge to rewatch.

>does this show even hold up? haven't seen it in well over a decade. been getting the urge to rewatch.

It's the best anime, in 2017 and probably in 2027

dont watch it, i did for the first time recently and i cant even get into anything else once I finished it. NGE was the pinnacle of anime and nothing comes fucking close.

how are they "super dense"?

i thought the sephirotic torrent batch was bretty darn gud

Come on user, Its all about shinji accepting himself, and others. To end his self hate.

Its like the biggest and most expected development in the entire fucking series. Sure, EoE make it much more flashy, but still the same message.

neon genesis is so boring

how did people end up assigning so much 'symbolism' to it?

>Its all about shinji accepting himself, and others. To end his self hate.

didn't he do that like 4 separate times in the main series?

>pinnacle
>not FLCL

kek

>all of the religious imagery and names are literally just Anno saying there's no meaning and 'IT ROOKS INTERESTING TO JAPANESE PEOPRE'

Here comes the anti-fun squad. It was nice discussing things with you guys for a few moments.

Compared to the average episode, there is a lot more of dialogue, some imagery, some metaphors, some quick changes about subject. It isnt hard to get a little lost and miss up a detail or 2.

Maybe they arent "SUPER" dense as i said, but are certainly worth a rewatch, specially after EoE, to catch things you didnt catch earlier on.

Neon Genesis Evangelion sucks.
The porn is bad because they're all 14.
The characters are not only bad people, but also unlikable. (Compared to say, Char Aznable, who is bad but likable).
The plot is bad.
Anno is a hack and a hypocrite.

Naw, most of the times its just he deciding to try to help others, not even for a altruistic reason, he does it because he fucking NEEDS those praises he recieves. He still hates himself till the ever last episode.

>The porn is bad because they are all 14

Too old?

>21 year old show
>Still has 1-4 threads daily
This kind of stuff dont happen for no reason

it is boring, isn't it?

I only remember the few angel fights. the rest is just BLAH BLAH BLAH I'M SUCH AN OUTCAST ABLOO BLOO

>The porn is bad because they're all 14.
Asuka is 13 for most of it, so its fine.

the angel fights were the most boring parts in my book, did you know there was originally going to be something like 30 angel fights?

im confused about that
You say that, and shinji himself says he's sneaky and manipulative

But prying open Rei's plug seemed to be an automatic reaction, same with white knighting into a volcano for Asuka and cleaning Rei's apartment with only Touji to witness him

Whats he manipulating and not being altruistic about
I mean yeah he's really codependent on asuka but thats it as far as i can see

It's because of renewed interest due to the Rebuilds.

Sure did. His forgetting doesn't invalidate it and he isn't wrong for forgetting, it's just the same cognitive quirk that allows people to live even if life is mostly trash.

That's the realest and most depressing part of Eva imo.

The characters in the show relapse after every time they seem to make progress.

Real change requires time, effort, and willingness to fuck up a lot on the way...

The real "manipulative" we see in EoE, how he start ignoring misato and rei because he is afraid of them and dont think nothing good will come from it. He dont think their friendship is worth the effort to overcome those hardships. Is that REALLY friendship? Wasnt there just an glimpse of manipulation? While the relationship is in a "stable" level is all cool and nice, but when it reachs a certain critical point, he bails and go for the next best relationship available, in EoE case, asuka.
"Mustnt run away" isnt just a silly thing he says. It was HE who left gendo when he though his relationship with his father was bad, not gendo who sent him away.

Maybe, just maybe, the instrumentality was the turning point. I mean, if that kind of experience dont change you, nothing ever will.
Thats why i see EoE as a happy ending. They already hit rock bottom, time to recover. What happens next is up to you, but i think a healthy life / friendships arent out of reach.

Then comes Anno with the FUCKING Rebuilds.

Huuuuh
So its friendship thats all flash and no substance.
Easy acts or quick heroic acts but when shit gets real with Kaji's death or Rei being outed as a clone he just holes up.

Okay, i'll take that.

Though the thing with his dad is do we ever really know the context of it?
Shinji says he ran away and then he says his father dumped him at various points in the show but all we ever see of the actual incident was just him crying at a train stop
Unreliable narrators

REI IS BEST GIRL
ANNO CAN FUCK OFF

Yeah, he comes to a real resolution at the end and while he floats to the surface he even makes peace with the real chance he may not even find his happiness.

And then Shinji choked a bitch on the beach.
Whether those tears afterwards were more tears of (even more) regret or earnest relief I could never figure out

He also seeks attention by deliberately trying to get people to feel sorry for him.
Misato even calls him out on it.
And all that talk about how others don't understand him, when he makes no effort to understand others himself. He runs away from Toji, Rei and Misato when they present problems to him. Anno even said that him killing Kaworu was "running away" because he could have talked him out of it. Though I don't blame him in that situation.

>mfw for most of the time i knew of Eva i only knew of the meme analysis of the symbolism that turned out to be just window dressing
>mfw the characters have their own layers behind them that's right in front of everyone

but why did the noise in the former get so much attention

We get context for that, Gendo sent him away at 5ish years old but kept intermittent contact until Shinji stopped showing up. Only vague implications from Shinji's side as to why.

I am not even sure if gendo does send him away. I cant remember it. I see it possible for shinji to have actually fled to his teacher house.

Gendo being about the same autistic retard as shinji, didnt went after him, maybe he sent the old guy some money.

Someone post that one book cover.

Most of the people are stupid

They want to look smart so they try very hard

Symbolism make you look smart without actually needing to "get" the actual point

There's pretty much no way this was Shinji's idea. Though he likely did take the train ride alone.

I really like the way NGE story is paced, the moodswings of the series. It makes good use of that idea of "you only know how painful is to fall down when you are really high up before".

The story reminds me of a rollercoaster.

It starts in a "neutral position" little bleak, shinji is depressed from the start, rei has some very creepy vibes.
But the things start going up. Shinji saves rei, they smile a lot, asuka pops up and so far she seens a very happy quirky character to lift up the mood. We get what i consider the "happiest moment" in Eva, which is their "dance". It almost feels like the series is a happy saturday morning cartoon for little kids.

Then there is the kiss which seen like a good thing for the first time viewer, but is already the start of the downfall.

After that is a very steep decline till the very end of the series. Shinji almost die twice, everything about toji, asuka mind rape, rei's death, everything about kaworu, EoE...

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>sinister looking, bad posture
missed the point of what an eva unit is, did you?

>plugged in
not just a great touch of realism way ahead of its time, but also a solid world building characterization of the eva unit that plugs a huge contrivance of mecha in almost all other media from fallout to iron man to just about all other anime. They even address it in the series. (nuclear powered eva clone)

>Guns and knives
That are mostly ineffective and is another aspect that grounds the series.

>Actually a shitty monster cloned by a mad scientist and covered in armor
So you didn't miss the point of what an Eva unit is

>gives the pilot panic attacks and traumatizes him for life
Sorry, so you DID miss the point of what the Eva unit is

Let me guess, your 3x3 includes a picture of Kirito standing on a bridge being attacked by 7 guys?

incredible

I've just put all the symbolism down to aesthetics. Sure you can look at all the reglious symbolism as Anno taking out his frustrations in life on god but really it just looked cool.

Same as the vaginas everywhere

>author intention
>worth shit
2/10 see me after class.

Pretty simple: the average fiction, specially anime, are PLOT driven stories.
People are used to try to go after plot points. Eva actually refuses to explain many plot points. What is adam and lilith, whats the spear of longinus, the s2 engine, so many fucking detais are never explained.
How is the ritual going, why is rei lilith.

People focus on that and end up saying eva makes no sense.

Eva is a character driven story, when you pay attention to that side, it all becomes much easier.

Because at the time the largest portion of the audience was too young to see the second point as easily as the first.

The godfather of visual nightmare fuel loved vaginal imagery more than even Georgia O'Keeffe, but he didn't make excuses for it like she did. Picture only semi-related because I didn't want to break blueboard rules.

bad taste
bad you

Giger was a fucking amazing artist. Now that you talked about him, i really fucking wish anno made eva design more giger-like.
They already are biomechanical creatures and the fixation to dicks amd vaginas does match with the freud themes anno seem to love so much. It would fit like a glove

Not him but i think that most the bettles musics are boring, and that they are very overrated.

very fresh and original opinion tell me more

I agree with him. I like the beetles but Kom Susser Tod holds a place in my heart for what it added to instrumentality. And depressing lyrics+upbeat song is something I love

Well they might have been under the armor. Adam regenerating when the spear was pulled was very lovecraftian/gigerish. I think that was meant to clue us into what sort of abomination was under the armor. Also realize the limitations of animation and Giger and his style is all in the details, it would have been difficult to convey and execute, even today.

Tangential bonus that came to mind. Sure you've seen it, but just in case.

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This is my favourite anime

i personally wanted more slice of life episodes in the middle. i agree wholeheartedly that you need to highest highs to feel the lowest lows, but it never actually felt that happy to begin with. only shinji and misato had a real relationships, even when the 3 pilots were supposed to be 'close', it really didn't feel like it. more episodes to flesh out their relationships and make them deeper (maybe have asuka confide her past and insecurities to shinji or something, have rei and asuka have a womanly/fellow maternal relationship develop) and then have the big collapse later on.

i mean i know anno ran out of time and money but it would have been far better with more meat in the middle of the show.