Villain used to have the same ideals as the MC

>Villain used to have the same ideals as the MC

>Villain makes more sense than MC.

>Protag does not give any counterpoints for the villain.
>Just says "you're wrong" and "muh friendship!"

Hate this.

Gundam SEED was hilarious in that aspect. Kira literally just replied things like "not all people are like that!" and "shut up!" to Rau's entire rhetoric.

That's because Rau was a psycho, and you don't have to address a madman's ramblings. You just do him death and stop him.

>villain's conspiracy thwarted because he wanted pancakes

Until he took an plot device to the character development.

>every naruto villain

Wow it's almost like you have shit taste

It's almost like you've never watched a good anime where this was done. Do you actually think most people even watched Naruto past the first series?

>Villain used to have the same ideals as the MC
>leaves the path of a hero
>MC stops him
>later the MC ends up just like the Villain did
>gets saved by the former villain

I agree, The Sons of Fate was a great album.

>narrative still treats them as wrong without refuting any of their points

>Villian with debatably better ideals and goals than the protagonist

>protagonist having goals or ideals

>villain IS the mc

>villain turns the MC into a girl

>believe in the me that believes in you

>Villain has better ideals than the MC
>rather than denying it the MC actually agrees and joins the villain

>Villain creates or shows up for no reasons
>or show up to distract the audience
>in a stale gag comedy
it seems like Hayate no Gotoku has the worst villain in the manga history

>mc is fucked by villain

...

>Stop cumming inside me...
>I'm just a child...

>after mc and friends defeat the villain who wished to remake the world, they revert to generic low ranking doormat commoners in society

>villain is just an average guy trying to bring peace to the world

All applicable to Eva

examples?

Villains are usually the real good guys

That setting is great so fuck you

yes

There's no point to reason with evil when you know you are good. Everything you do is good and righteous anyway, whatever the other side is doing is obviously evil if going against you.

There should be more anime where the bad guy is the protag

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

give me more of this. it's always so fun.

Ruined when
>Villain literally IS the MC

dammit medaka box

Gotta love how, despite being a scumbag, Teach is still from the same heritage as Luffy and shares some of his ideals

You mean more weird Redman faces?

I agree in some cases you really just feel that what the villian is doing is justified and sensible and main hero is just living in this fantasy world where people are nice.

>main villain isn't actually the main villain, which is revealed in the last few episodes

>former "main villain" helps MC defeat the final boss

>former villain becomes a new love interest
>is actually best girl

Are you blind by any chance?

Mecha anime is the genre that does this the most, I hope sunrise fucking explodes.