It's ok to be Communist

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Thats probably the one thing I agree with them on.

So socialism would have worked if bullets were edible?

Except that Comrade Stalin outlawed almost all civilian gun ownership, and that lasted until the USSR collapsed.

No. No it's not

If he outlawed civilian gun ownership, most of Siberia would starve to death because hunting (with guns) is the primary food source in that region.

Hunting rifles were never banned, it was indeed illegal to have a rocket launcher and a tank in your house, as it should be.

Marx wanted the ploretariat to have guns so they would be able to actually fight and die on a revolution, and he'd ascend to power on their back. He'd take them afterwards, as every commie tyrant has ever done.
Since the left's narrative changed to attack the ploretariat, there's lots of reason for them to support gun control, because once their revolution from the inside works, the average joe would be at their mercy. Do you think Maduro would be rampaging in venezuela if a quarter of the people had handguns?

communists generally have a good anti-government attitutde
they are just retarded and want to replace it with an even more authoritarian government """""temporarily"""""

How can you consider a hammer or a toothbrush a personal property, when in cummunism there's no property?
What is difference between personal property and private property?
If private property covers means of production, what stops me from disassembling a mean of production and claim the parts to be my personal property?
Why would you waste resource producing more than say (hypothetically) 1 hammer/toothbrush per 7 persons?

How can one cultivate and harvest crops to personal use, when there's no personal property to be used for farming in cummunism?
How do you allocate public land for this personal farming?
Who allocates the public land used by the collective?

The ten Planks of Communist manifesto:
#8 "Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture."
> Equal obligation
How can a stateless and non-hierarchical society enforce this?
> Your work-time is equivalent to everybody else's work-time
Am I forced to sit and drawn hentai for as long as others work in factory, if I don't want to do manual labour as an artist?
If "... each according to his needs", what stops me claiming to acquire 70% of goods to suffice my needs?
How can anyone else define how my needs are sufficed?
How can a collective deny me coming over demand 70% of goods that others have gathered through hard manual labour, while I can provide them only hentai sketches?
How is Theft defined in cummunist world, when there's no property in non-hierarchical society you can steal from others?

>cant own tanks
>wants allies
Boo

Not a gommie but the difference is corporate/ state owned lamd is private and individual land in personal.

Read a book.

Sharia blue all fields

>What is difference between personal property and private property?
Personal property: toothbrush, playstation, books
Private property: factories, railways, oil rigs, coal mines

>If private property covers means of production, what stops me from disassembling a mean of production and claim the parts to be my personal property?
It's only logical to classify something as personal property if it has some use-value. A coat or toothbrush is clearly useful for people. I'm not sure which use value disassembled factory parts would serve. The state would prevent you from dismantling the factory.

>Why would you waste resource producing more than say (hypothetically) 1 hammer/toothbrush per 7 persons?
Everyone should have a toothbrush, otherwise everyone's teeth will rot and you will have to spend even more money on training dentists and paying their salaries.

>How can one cultivate and harvest crops to personal use, when there's no personal property to be used for farming in cummunism?
In socialist countries, collective farmers always have a personal plot of land to grow the food they need to feed their family.

>How do you allocate public land for this personal farming?
You just tell the farmer, "this x acres of land is your personal property, do whatever you want with it". Not much to it really.

>Who allocates the public land used by the collective?
Whoever is the elected representative of that particular village, town, etc.

>How can a stateless and non-hierarchical society enforce this?
I think the idea is that by the time humanity reaches communism, people will become mentally advanced to the point where they work and contribute to society out of their own free will, without the need of coercion.

>what stops me claiming to acquire 70% of goods to suffice my needs?
Needs are not subjective. Everyone has roughly the same needs.

lol you don't
when the commies say they want to arm the working class (note that they only talk about the working class) what they really mean is to create a military arm of the Party, much like the SA

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers'_Militia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Groups_of_the_Working_Class
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Militias_(Czechoslovakia)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker-Peasant_Red_Guards

>Needs are not subjective. Everyone has roughly the same needs.
And how do you determine them and allocate resources accordingly?

Yes, then after the useful idiot workers have outlived their usefulness, they are stripped of their weapons, lined up and shot.

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Allocation of resources and planning is not some kind of byzantine rocket science. Corporations do it all the time. The only difference is that under socialism, "profit" (surplus value) is directly re-invested in the economy instead of going into the pockets of capitalists.

How can you consider a hammer or a toothbrush a personal property, when in cummunism there's no property?
What is difference between personal property and private property?
If private property covers means of production, what stops me from disassembling a mean of production and claim the parts to be my personal property?
Why would you waste resource producing more than say (hypothetically) 1 hammer/toothbrush per 7 persons?

How can one cultivate and harvest crops to personal use, when there's no personal property to be used for farming in cummunism?
How do you allocate public land for this personal farming?
Who allocates the public land used by the collective?

The ten Planks of Communist manifesto:
#8 "Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture."
> Equal obligation
How can a stateless and non-hierarchical society enforce this?
> Your work-time is equivalent to everybody else's work-time
Am I forced to sit and drawn hentai for as long as others work in factory, if I don't want to do manual labour as an artist?
If "... each according to his needs", what stops me claiming to acquire 70% of goods to suffice my needs?
How can anyone else define how my needs are sufficed?
How can a collective deny me coming over demand 70% of goods that others have gathered through hard manual labour, while I can provide them only hentai sketches?
How is Theft defined in cummunist world, when there's no property in non-hierarchical society you can steal from others?

Individual can't own land in cummunism
I've, now answer my questions

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Communism = litterally a Jewish trick

Touch my property, ever, and I'll slice your belly open and send a video of your screaming thief death to your mommy.

She'll get to watch you scream and try to scoop your guts back in. There's your "redistribution," faggot. I'll redistribute your shit from your intestines into your bloodstream.

> if it has some use-value
any product has use-value so how do you determine their hierarchy?
how can there be hierarchy of products if there's no societal hierarchy?
> otherwise everyone's teeth will rot and you will have to spend even more money on training dentists and paying their salaries
> dentist having salaries in a collective
kek, that's very hierarchical concept
or just share one between the 7 and sanities it properly?
> Whoever is the elected representative of that particular village, town, etc.
That stages a power structure hierarchy which can't be accepted in cummie societies
> mentally advanced to the point where they work and contribute to society out of their own free will
kek, people have done that ever since organised religions.
> Needs are not subjective
how do you determine my needs?

> Allocation of resources and planning is not some kind of byzantine rocket science
you skipped the first step thou: how do you determine my needs in society without hierarchy?
> "profit" (surplus value) is directly re-invested in the economy instead
how is it re-invested and who allocates this investment?
What's the difference if collective decides to pocket the profits themselves?

>It's ok to be Communist
But Communism is Jewish and anti-White.

Are you saying it's okay to be Jewish and anti-White?

It not ok to be a communist

>Corporations do it all the time.
Yes, and corporations go out of business all the time. When a corporation fails to allocate resources efficiently and goes out of business, people lose their jobs, when the Glorious Revolutionary Worker's Democratic Socialist People's Republic does it, pic related happens.
>inb4 famines are imperialist propaganda that never happened and even if they did it was due to natural causes and all the victims were kulaks anyway
The state is not capable of distributing resources effectively without market reforms, or the state does not act in its subjects' best interests. Either of those is unacceptable, and I really think it's a combination of them both.

>The only difference is that under socialism, "profit" (surplus value) is directly re-invested in the economy instead of going into the pockets of capitalists.

1: Surplus Value objectively doesn't exist, and cannot, because the definition of value is "what you can sell something for," and all other definitions of value are creationist-tier nonsense.

2: The "pockets of capitalists" are investments. Banks are for people who don't have their money invested. You've just described Capitalism except your version is retarded and inefficient.

As usual, Leftists are worse than flat-earthers.

>Touch my property, ever, and I'll slice your belly open and send a video of your screaming thief death to your mommy.
Go to bed Chaim, it's almost 1 AM in Tel Aviv right now.

>Go to bed Chaim, it's almost 1 AM in Tel Aviv right now.
That's an ironic statement considering the fact that Communism is Jewish.

I guess all the famines that happened under capitalism are just commie propaganda, right? Bengal famine, Irish famine, Persian famine, all caused by British imperialism never happened, right?

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actions of imperialist states != capitalism
>inb4 muh dialectics

>Holocaust
>Happening
lolno.

Also...

>actions of capitalist-controlled states which bring profit to capitalists =! capitalism

>>actions of capitalist-controlled states which bring profit to capitalists =! capitalism
>states != capitalism
Yes, you're starting to get it.

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Adam Smith, founder of economics: "Capitalism requires a state to enforce property rights and hierarchical class society"

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>I'm too stupid to think or argument so I will just pull some quote out of context

free tanks for everyone dipshit

Uh dude capitalism as it has been practiced in the west is only an economic model, unless you are talking about Anarcho Capitalism (which is retarded, and most everyone agrees). Communism on the other hand is both a political and economic model has been implemented on a state and economic level concurrently multiple times and it fails hard every time. Like seriously tell me about a single government that runs like capitalism and is based on voluntarism. I'll wait.

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Not a gommie but from what I understand, the difference between private and personal property is basically if you are actively using it, if you are capable of defending it (without paying cronies), etc. then it's personal property (your home, your posessions).
If you aren't, and are relying merely on some form of "muh legal right" that says it's yours, then it's private property (ie. factories you own, places you rent out, stuff you hord somewhere and never really use etc.)

Marx was such a bum though. He's like a semi-smart, envious bum who missed the mark on a whole number of major issues.
E.g. People are not blank slates that can be molded- human nature will undermine all of the goals of communism.
The value of a commodity is not dependent on the amount of work going into its production. There is a consumer-Use mechanism that actually determines prices- therefore his whole exploitation argument is empty (an owners payment for your labor should be tied into how much he sold it for). It's incorrect perimeters and the direction. Marx's theory on price and commodity has a number of similar flaws in it.
He had great theoretical structures for class that helped develop very useful theories in sociology. However, it was
Over emphasized and really falls apart when you have his historical material determinism (we heading towards communism). And any attempt to make that self-fulfilli Prophecy come to fruition has dramatically failed.
Idk. Marx is a lot like Mohammad. He had put his finger on a few truths, but the rest of his book-of-bad-ideas has convinced idiot plebeian followers to enact some of the most violent atrocities in history.

Yes, people's understanding of capitalism, markets, and economics has changed drastically since Adam Smith's time and will continue to improve as time goes on. Much better to learn from history than to parrot Marx's misunderstanding of economics for the rest of eternity because whenever your retarded system fails you blame everything else rather than revise your theory of how the world ought to be.
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lolno, if anything I'm too to be arguing with the retarded teenagers in this shithole. How old are you? Have you ever held a full time job?

>"Capitalism requires a state to enforce property rights and hierarchical class society"
Nigger, private property as we know it today from a legal and practical standpoint has existed since the 6th century with the Codex Justiniaus. You could even argue that it existed under the Roman Empire where the US drew much of it's inspiration when creating the fair republic that we managed to shit up with this "democracy" bullshit. The Codex Justinious is probalby the largest basis for modern western law as we know it. Adam Smith's statement is a basic reiteration of what traditions were passed down over hundreds of years of experience regarding how societies have flourished. His works were a tweak to that thinking that has evolved into the modern market. There needs to be some kind of responsible central order to maintain the balance between personal interest and public good. When one outweighs the other bad shit happens, Basit pointed this out in his work "The Law." History has pointed that out with the complete failure of communism. Yes, it was real communism. You arbitrarily saying that "the workers" didn't really own the means of production doesn't change that fact. The revolution led to the control of the Party which was supposed to protect the best interests of the proletariat with a command economy, and it sucked at doing that job.