Second highest tax rate in the world

>second highest tax rate in the world

Is Germany a libertarian nightmare?

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What's the highest? I'd assume Norway?

taxes in Germany are horrible. income tax, sales tax (19%), gas tax (four dollars per gallon) etc.
If they cut taxes in half, combined with less regulation, you'd see Germany take off like a f22

Belgium

Yup.

But Germans are literally brainwashed and they believe that paying half their income is ok because WE HAVE HEALTHCARE AND EDUCATION.

As if that wouldn't be possible with lower taxes

Don't even get me started on entrepreneurship in Germany...

Yeah, I'd consider visiting Europe in general but your tax rates and bureaucracy are insane.

how does that affect you as a tourist? are you from a shithole?

Someone has to pay for Fhatima's 4 kids and Mohammed's new 42-inch TV.

lol no, I'm US.
Also it's bad because my money doesn't go far enough if you guys keep worrying about your government contractors more than the general population.

kek

>implying we don't in the Netherlands

That's crazy, i pay 14% income tax and 6.5% sales tax on non-food items

We're fucked

>get heavily taxed on my income
>have to pay tax for my property
>get forced to pay for health insurance

>be 70
>have paid tax for like 50 years
>finally in retirement
>have really worked all my life for a few nice years left now
>have to pay tax on retirement pay.

T-Thanks.

just think about the fact that our borders aren't protected. one might ask himself why we even pay taxes. germany is a hardcore slavery country and only works because germans are extremely superiour in work ethic. they should work less and think more.

>highest taxes
>most succesfull economy in europe

Lolberts btfo’d.

>is Germany a... nightmare?
yes

> one of europe's lowest home ownership
> still #1 economy in europe

Lolbertardians btfo
"B-but muh private property!!!"

>authoritarian culture
>high tax rates
>socialism is allowed, but nationalism is forbidden
yes

Curiously it seems like more developed the economy the less home ownership. Hong kong and switzerland being the lowest two. Although I’m sure some’ll say romania is the most economically advanced nation on earth as they have the highest home ownership.

things will change, but extremely slowly. germans really really hate change more than anything else. but existencial pressure will do it's work.

home ownership is rather expensive here
i own a 70m2 office in Hannover and have to pay around ~300€ a month for land tax/management

i can relate to this, here come my greentext about 60% of the young french withe males i know living in tax hell
>be 15yo you get the choice between 2 path in highschool
>the first one is the pro class where you learn a specific respectable job (plumber, maintenance engineer etc)
>the second one is general class where you learn nothing specific but is a start for superior study
>herecome the trick, lefty teacher send all the nogs,sand coon and 2digit IQ on default to the pro classe wich become a crap hole of delinquants
>the general classe send you to UNI where everyone attend for free and are even paid to attend classe
>keep in mind you pay them for a whole year for an average of 70% dropout (they can retake the classe and get paid one more year even if they don't suceed)
>now you have either a professional diploma a superior one or no qualification
>if you have a superior study diploma you can't find a job since the uni is accessible to everyone and minoritys even have simplified state financed program (mhu diversity and equity)
>you are now working at mc donald with a years of superior study, you don't even get job security and mostly do 3 month periods
>if you are on the profield you can't find a job since it's easier to employ ahmed or ivan for 1/4th the salry they would have paid you
>if you are unquilified(stopped school after genral highschool diploma or unidropout) the only way to find a job is to go formation path where you are basically full time employee paid for 70% of minimum wage
>if you by miracle can find a job you can never change this job because entry in new ones are so hard
>while you are paid 70% of the minimum wage the state still taxes around 300 euros of your raw salary, force you to take a private healthcare while already taxing you for normal healthcare
>the food you need to survive is still taxed 5% while most sales are taxed 20%
not even talking about big corporation employing foreigners for 250 euros a month

Atleast my grandfather had the option to bunker his money in turkey lucky for me tho.

also home ownership is nearly impossible without goldstein landing you money enslaving you for the next 30 years

Surely that’s only for some fields. I can’t imagine there being an oversupply of chem-engs.

isnt technology and innovation rly good in germany? hugo boss is pretty good too

If Germany wasn't a socialist hellhole, 3/4 of the population would starve like their nigger equivalents in africa. It's kind of sad for the 1/4 of productive people until you realize that they would go on a rampage if not constrained by their even less self aware peers.
Overall it's a stable system.

But is it good because of the taxes or despite them?

i guess german work ethic supersedes their high taxes etc

I never got this argument. Saying that we need welfare so those nogs don't kill us.
If even the working class failed to unite and seize the means of production what the hell are the unemployed going to archive?

Germans ARE patriotic. In America, you show patriotism by attaching a full size US flag on your pickup truck (Or confederate flag for alternative patriotism), singing the anthem before every baseball game, and sending 18 year olds to Iraq so you can later thank them for their service when they roll by you in their wheelchair in Walmart. In Germany, we show patriotism by voting for higher taxes on ourselves to make healthcare and college tuition universally accessible to our less fortunate fellow citizens, and by picking up after one another to keep public spaces clean and nice for everyone. I guess it gets lost in translation.

being ignorant also makes you kinda more productive, because you just work and pay taxes. people who question things don't want to work, because they feel used like slaves.
i'm not sure what's better. struggling with money and being kinda aware or ignoring everything outside of your workplace, watching tv and being productive.

Well yes it does but a lot of people make the mistake to say:
"Oy look at Germany and the nordic countries, they have high taxes and are rich"
Basically saying that high taxes and welfare causes wealth.

you are right but the field with no oversuplly are maybe 3% of the job market so the system is still slavery tier here, the left can't undrestand that everyone can't be a lawyer or a doctor and as of recently over the span of 20 years and for the 20 more to come we get youth overqualified doind jobs out of their study fields, we get history major working in store, second year medical fields dropout flipping burgers and your plumber is polish, the risk of employing someone full time is so great for companies that they will always employ the one with the highest diploma even if the job doesn't require it and wont even guarantee him more than a 3 month contracts that will be renewed when they feel like it, wich mean most of the young workforce experience long period of unemployement (wich is also paid by the workforce and companies thus making the vicious circle go on)

people think germans are rich because they are privileged and everything is just fine here. but realistically germans are raised like robots in school. i remember our school headmaster even forbidding cuddling and kissing inside the school, because some people "were bothered by it". i became ill when i was 18 and wanted to quit school, i was extremely burned out. i talked to my teacher about my decision and she didn't even care about my health, she only said "what's about your future? finishing school is very important." - i told her that i can't even sleep at night anymore, but she totally overheard that, it didn't matter.
if you can't be a perfect robot in germany, you become a loner. it's a country of working robots.

Soon we will also have to pay 25k+ per annum just for owning a one family house.
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>If you can't have a family and raise kids, you win

ignorance is bliss

home ownership here is low because the prices r insane cus mainlanders. ppl literally have to rent bunks in tenement like buildings

As a working person i can tell you this:

If someone feels ill at work, and more than one day at home to cure, he will be looked down on by his coworkers. It's anabsolute nono to be ill in germany.

We are a full blown socialist country if you havent figured by now. Says it all when the largest „conservative“ party is lead by a fat ugly and naive women who comsiders alliances with the green party and leftists as a viable option. I want hitler back, badly!

Interesring. How did shortening the workweek impact the economy? I’d imagine it somewhat allevated that issue?

This. If I was a brainlet, I could enjoy life more, even with a shitty standard of living.

How is homeownership a requirement for having a family? Last time I checked romania doesn’t exactly have the highest fertility rate.

saturday is already a normal work-day. i don't know of any store or business that isn't opened on saturday. ok, maybe some, but 99% are opened at saturday.

>I want hitler back
Reported to the police.
Enjoy your v& :^)

btw. the other coworkers think that he is betraying them buy being ill.
Its like in the Army, you have to fight for your Friends/Coworkers to the death to hold the line at all costs!

If you understand what i mean...

Germanys problem is that intellectuals aren't seen as sexy but Germany barely has any control left of its media and was completely ignorant that American media would idolize the untermensch of society.

A stable home environment is pretty much a requirement, it's not enough for everything though. You just can't raise a proper family with at least 2-3 kids if every next month threatens with possible homelessness.

>Is Germany a libertarian nightmare?
Yes.

Hong Kong is libertarian heaven.
World class infrastructure.
World class food.
World class mass transit system.
World class tax rates 17% but effectively 0% if you
are super rich and own a company.
World class health care.

Hong Kong is heaven for the strong.

Don't worry, the police, judges, gym teachers, etc. are all ex nazis. Merkel is the new hitler so it all checks out.

Luckily for me I'm going to gtfo of this shithole eventually. I'm self employed and could easily make 50k p/a but why the fuck would I??? Much rather live humbly but painlessly on my 20k and tiny tax burden. Fucking kikes.

>Tfw Danes effectively have 60% income tax
It's hell on Earth.

> mfw I'm going to berlin tomorrow

yes heaven only for the strong country people

>gas is too expensive
Preemptively dealing with Hitlers second coming I see

i'm self-employed too. i don't really feel motivated to become rich, because with all the taxation you don't get very far anyways. also you have much more paper-work the more you earn. i still think you should make as much money as possible if you feel good about your work. but money isn't a motivation for me, because i feel like i can't get rich in germany anyways.

Where do you get those statistics?
I was looking into wiki article (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates), and can't find anything that supports your claim.
As far as it shows, you have less than 30% corporate tax, and less than 50% personal max tax (muhhh take from the rich).

We (a third world country) have 34% corporate tax, and 27% max tax for rich people.

It's fucking bullshit. It's a scheme for marxists and crony politicians to line their pockets while handing out gibs.

If you would stop all bullshit funding for these poor fucks they would indeed revolt, followed by such a massive fucking crackdown that they'd either move back to whatever shithole they came from or end up working as semi-slave laborers.

I have lived in 4 European countries in the last 10 years and Germany is hell on Earth. I hate everything apart from the food here. Germans are the most gullible bootlickers ever. It sickens and saddens me how they just take everything just to avoid change.

There is always discontent but it stays at the lowest level. It's very sad.
But I hope I'll soon be home.

I left the "Gymnasium" after 9th grad, best decision I've ever made. School was pain. Now I am almost an electrical engineer now and I have to say that those people missing school must have a terrible life.

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>More welfare recipients than people with jobs
I knew it was bad but not this bad. What the actual fuck.

nooooo they cant cut taxes or else evil germans might get the idea on having more children... and who else would pay for fuckers around the world ?

Especially the german women.

they did shorten the workweek to get french free time and put more people to work (instead of going at the actual problem) but here come the thing they lowered the wage of the entire population (since 5 hours are not paid anymore) while increasing taxes on companies and workers alike thus creating more unemployement (that shortening the work week should have fixed according to the left) since company have to spare lot of money for taxes (especially small one such as your baker butcher and such).
Lots of small buisness owner work overtime without paying themselves while they make they employee work let's say 40hours on busy week and 30 hours on not so busy week so they can keep the 35h a week going on, as for big company they go around the problem by employing foreigners(whose taxes go to thei own country) or employing part timer (not the same regulation on work hours) or employing special contract (effectively gain full time employee to be paid less) but you also have to know that 75% is paid minimum wage ( a wage that was to be the lowest became the standard wage), shortening the work week along with high taxes along with the increase of the housing market and renting market along with butload of low qualified migrants (without mentionning all the illegals paid 1/4th the base salary) impovrished the french population beyond madness

i wanted to become a web dev when i was 16. i would spend all night being awake to make desigs in photoshop. then i had to make the decision if i want to quit after 10th grade or finish abitur until 13th grade. everybody talked me into doing another 3 years. in these 3 years i completely lost interest in web development and started using drugs, drinking lots of alcohol and finally burned out and still am not really healthy even 6 years later. at least iam self-employed now even if i only barely make a living.

France, Denmark, Belgium, Austria, Sweden, Finland and Italy have all higher tax in Europe than Germany. Tax isn't really that much important anyway on its own, what's important is buyer's power and how much you get for your tax.

I liked school but only because of seeing my friends there everyday. Apart from that attending the Oberstufe felt pretty pointless. The majority of classes were boring, I could never understnd how people could be burnt out from Gymnasium, everything was piss easy except for maybe maths and physics.

Switzerland people are really poor btw, they can't cover most basic bills.

Yeah, that's why I fucking shit on the german gouvernment and taxes and got a job in a real democratic country -> Switzerland. Leave that sinkin ship
>DankeMerkel.jpg

Libertarian here.

It definitely is.

Getting the hell out of this authoritarian nightmare of a country as soon as s I can.

This Oberstufe is a shithole, at the 11th class I was the best boy in the year, but afterwards the fucking swj teachers fucked me up ( fucking women )

correct. don't come here. It's literally a third world shithole here, all because we pay ridiculously low taxes.

There's no bigger shit country when it comes to debt than Switzerland. Switzerland is one of poorest countries on planet, people don't live there, they only work. Switzerland has THE LOWEST homeownership rate on planet:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate
It's a shithole country fueled by debt. Switzerland ahs the highest tax on planet, but it isn't called tax, it's called high prices and debt.

Hans I loved Munich although it was boring please tell me Bavaria will be alright

>swj teachers fucked me up ( fucking women )

i could never take a female teacher serious. i always felt like they were inferior to me. guess i was the only boy in the class with high testosterone.

Switzerland has highest debt, how fuck do they have low tax? Because government doesn't charges it? Yeah well the private Jews charge you then, same shit. Government in EU is run by private capitalists anyway, same shit if they tax you directly or each dr. fick separately.

Germany is a Germans' nightmare

You fucking snitch cunt.

Ur worse than a jew, traitor.

You obviously didn't done your maths homework bro. I earn 3x more in CH and are able to buy my stuff in Germany (few km near boarder). This is the best constallation ever. I have 0 debts btw. If you are a dumb swiss person, then you have no home, but this is equivalent to anything. Just get a high paid job and there is no problem

isn't Denmark the worse one ?

But you are a retard, i already posted you evidence that Switzerland has the lowest homeownership on planet, so now you will tell me you have money. Fuck off Jew. Sure thing, you have zero debt, look here:
You lie again, since Switzerland household is very much in debt. Doesn't matter if you make million per second, you can't buy a home in Switzerland and when you buy it you have huge debt. Doesn't sounds to me like profit.

Put your statistics up your anus poorfag. I enjoy my money and my house soon. Thx CH

socialism and patriotism are not the same thing brainlet

private debt != public debt
Low rates of homeownership is because half of europe has decided to settle here, leading to a housing shortage and the construction of large blocs everywhere.

It can be ...

That is the reason AFD ger already 16% in parlament
Next time they will be on second place, cause the CDU will ruin the SPD

Im paying 62% income tax on everything over €35000.

Can anyone beat that?

You enjoy to lie, which is why Berlin is crawling with debt slaves and niggers. Nothing about you that is rich. I know for a fact that people who have here more debt than before, but have higher salaries, they don't have more money. If you increase prices 5 times and salary by 50% you ain't making more money. If people can't buy apartments you are a wage slave, working whole life for your high salary, not earning a goddamn shit. You can blow it out your ass your millions of useless money. Keep working goy, when you are 50 years old you will be able to buy apartment, then you can start a family with your negro or asian wife.

Do your women not receive welfare payments for having children?

The school was full with fucking retarded female teachers who fought against each other, we had every semester a new teacher

Household debt isn't public debt, that's private debt. You got private debt, USA got both, private and public debt and their healthcare, safety and race is fucking shit.

I love feeding poor african children.

I think he's referring private debt.
I'm up for bantz but I'm convinced of my sources that you're having it rough with the housing sector.

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Yes. If you don't cut it you go into debt, just as you would anywhere else on the planet. The difference is that nobody has to pay for your stupid life decisions afterwards.

That's why i've finally choose «pro» in a private school.

It's full white, and the only sandnigger of the class is a victim bullied by chad «white trash» from countryside.
It was a wise choice.