I would support communism in the west right now. Even though I'm not a communist...

I would support communism in the west right now. Even though I'm not a communist. The chaos it would create would destroy the current liberal order and potentially allow for the emergence of a far right government.

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Far right would not have access to the power until there is a war to fragilize the country.

That's a dumb fucking idea.

>thinks communism won't lead to that

Well if you want to get communism in your country and make a potentially long and painful war just to make nationalist ideas rise that's your fucking problem

Far right will rise anyway

We need accelerationism

we have to push for events and factors that cause increasing destabilization, while organizing our own vanguard party

Communism, in truth, has the very same considerations as National Socialism. The only difference is that it is sane and rational. Which is why one is still a major force in the world, and the other has expired in 10 years.

>calling marxist dribble sane and rational

Hilarious, marxism is a utopian bullshit that was already disproven in the 20th century. Humans are innately hierarchical.

is correct. A Soviet dictatorship would actually single us out, arrest us and execute us or send us to camps. Liberalism is way weaker. They're a more grotesque foe for sure, but they're also much easier to fight. It's only a matter of time now. Even if we did absolutely nothing, ignored politics and let the enemy have their way with zero opposition, it would still collapse in on itself.

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The Third Reich was lost in war. The Soviet Union collapsed in on itself. Your way had the chance to reach full potential and it failed to destroy capitalism. We'll have our day in the sun yet.

Exactly, it took the combined power of the British Empire, America and the USSR to drag down Germany after 6 years.

>The Third Reich was lost in war.
In a war that it itself has declared, simultaneously, on several Neutral states, without any justification or international consideration.

That's exactly what I meant.

>The Soviet Union collapsed in on itself.
The Soviet Union brought a lot of benefit to the Russians, to the point where Communism is still extremely popular: the main opposition to Putin are communists and Left-wing Radicals. Nazism brought incredible harm to the Germans, German spirit in particular, and almost no German has any warm feelings towards Nazism.

>We'll have our day in the sun yet.
Than why don't you have anything now? A viable idea would be everpresent in society's discourse - like communism is.

Full annexation of a country isn't that easy of a task, and Germany alone would not be able to do that with either Britain, America or USSR. And yet. an insane lunatic Hitler (and a whole bunch of his allies, by the way) decided to aggravate and aggressively attack all 3 simultaneously. Not a single one of those countries declared war on Germany, Irrational Nazis did.

Life isn't fluffy rainbows and lolipops. You're not going to get a far right government in the west, the liberal elite own every institution in society. The whole thing needs to come crumbling down.

>being too smart by half

Kys

>supports commies
kys my man
>in all fields

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What with the obsession with the "destroying the current system then just hope that what comes next is better" mindset. No matter what you want the world to be I feel like this methodology just makes everything shit

Hmmm... Now where did i hear that before?

Stalin did nothing wrong

>I would support communism in the west right now. Even though I'm not a communist.
So you are accelerationist?
I honestly think that it is not *that bad* of an idea, just that it very well might end extremely badly.

Dead commie is best commie

>Communism, in truth, has the very same considerations as National Socialism.
No, that is just false.
Although Fascism was certainly born out of Marxism, specifically it was a merge of the Ideas of Italian syndicalists and nationalists, it is VERY distinct from Marxism.
Marxism is based on the Idea of a Proletarian Revolution, which Fascism (and also National Socialism) is directly opposed, instead it wants to UNITE the classes and abolish class warfare to unite the nation into a more coherent stronger unity.

>I would support communism in the west right now.

Communism wouldn't be chaos though, it would be harmonious order.

Do know you know any elementary history of the Russian revolution? (Coup). Civil war started right away with the military splitting and trying to destroy the commies to install an authoritarian government.

>Marxism is based on the Idea of a Proletarian Revolution, which Fascism (and also National Socialism) is directly opposed, instead it wants to UNITE the classes and abolish class warfare to unite the nation into a more coherent stronger unity.
Fascism, in the context of Marxist ideology, is an intentional counter-revolutionary ideology designed to blow the steam out of the workers movement and save the capitalist ruling class by appealing to nationalism and arguing for class unity.

I'm tired of revolutions
all revolutions lead to societal strife and civil war.

>Fascism, in the context of Marxist ideology, is an intentional counter-revolutionary ideology designed to blow the steam out of the workers movement and save the capitalist ruling class by appealing to nationalism and arguing for class unity.
That is certainly the perspective the Marxists had on it.

>I would support communism in the east right now
it would increase my marketshare.

literally bankers back in the day

Hisory of humanity is one revolution after another. The old order has to smashed for the new to be born. Just how it is. The people that rule the current order have an incentive to keep it. It's always like that.

The far right is more likely to take over than communists. Why do you think communists are tolerated and the far right aren't? Because the bourgeoisie are only scared of the latter. No industrialised capitalist country has ever fallen to communism, only fascism.

>No industrialised capitalist country has ever fallen to communism, only fascism.
They fell to fascism with the consent of the capitalists, Hitler was literally funded by big industrialists. Fascism is a response ideology to communism, used to fragment the workers and steal them away from communism. That is it's purpose. Every country with fascism has always had a communist threat. Next time we get the threat of a communism, we will get the rise of fascism.

the planet must revolve around the sun. thus revolutions.

Lenin-Stalin communism was created and implemented by men,AKA patriarchy. None of these shit women are spearheading will ever get off the ground. It's swinging back our ways boys, the natural order will always be what it is.

Right. Which is exactly why I think OP's position is stupid. A successful commie takeover would be terrible

Pussy

wrong.

if everything actually gets automated then the gives will inevitably flow.

the only true currencies are labor and thoughts, which are used to create food which is the basis of civilization.

the moment labor is no longer traded by humans people will start thinking that they dont want to die lol. everyone will feel pathetic for receiving gibs so they wont really judge others for receiving it.

Putting your faith in chaos to SOLVE problems is naive.
Has anybody learned ONE FUCKING THING from history so far? IDEOLOGY MEANS JACK SHIT. Has anyone studied history? Ideology means jackshit.
Scenario: chaos comes--> conditions deteriorate drastically. Result: WHOEVER IS THE MOST RUTHLESS ASSHOLE RULES. Please understand the preceding. The worse the conditions become, the more ruthless the immediate rulership outcome that establishes order. Ideology never matters in real world circumstances-- what DOES is THE ABILITY TO PULL TOGETHER SOCIALLY. That is what matters. Chaos will destroy, that, and ideology will also destroy that, and when that is destroyed, then ruthlessness emerges to enforce order.

right and wrong

rulers will inevitably

have ideologies

>we need to let communists in power so far-right could have a chance of getting into power too
>t. Tovarish Goldstein

>Putting your faith in chaos to SOLVE problems is naive.

>Result: WHOEVER IS THE MOST RUTHLESS ASSHOLE RULES.
But THAT is the goal. Burning down and rebuilding is sometimes the only option.

no it's not.

Try anarcho-capitalism, it is better for everyone than a communist government.

I guess everyone here is speaking for himself, but the only way you can order this mad world is through ruthlessness and totalitariansm.
I am not an accelerationist, thus don't agree with OP, but I see total chaos as inevitable.

(((you)))

Doesn't matter what you say, or resort to jewish revisionism. NatSoc was a defeated ideology, not a failed one.

I am the op.
And I wasn't arguing for a succesful take over. An attempt would be good. Or if one western country did it.

Oh ok, I retract my accusation of stupidity. I'm almost tempted to vote Labour on similar reasoning, but I think it's best to just vote as far right as possible

I largely agree with this. I think that the only thing that would radicalize the Right in America would be an equally radical Left. I'm hoping the Democratic Socialists of America pick up steam and have a candidate in 2020, as I think that would both divide the Democrats and unify the Right. I honestly think that the time is near that Conservatives would support a Right-wing anti-democratic, anti-communist, and anti-capitalist government. They're sick and tired of the elite/shadow government, and the sooner we can get them to realize that means freeing ourselves of interest slavery, the Central banks, and Jewish Supremecism, the better.

>Stalin killed literally every Jew in the Soviet Union's government except one
>illiterate stormfags still accuse him of being pro-Jew

>157279210
There is no such thing as a right in the west. We have liberals with leftie values from 20 years ago.

If you have an option take it,i voted ironically for commies since I knew they wouldn't win and they were retarded enough so that their very existance might create a right wing just to oppose them.
Any other option is better but we have no right wing in spain only corrupt cucks and goldman and sachs puppets.
Of course commies are retarded brainlets that will collapse but thenot again I live in a country of brainlets.
The fact there are unironical commies in this board is a clear sign of how retarded the world is and they just need to listen to the commie retards talking about how theoretically the worker class will benefit and how they'll redistribute and all of that retarded programme being delivered by cat ladies and people afraid to take showers,all the while being white bread mid/high class college retards with no real experience in life,I think the mere sight of that and the fact they win some votes might disgust enough people to decide to form up our beloved RWDS and form our party.
Afterall commies are the forefront of the kikes so the more their kiked up disease is seen the better,all the while in the internet info about their retardation is widely available so more and more people will come to oppose them.
True pic,commies are just brainlet enough to be able to read but inexperienced and jobless fags that have seen nothing of the real world to understand their theories are but pilpul for goyim subhumans to become their golem back in the day were they needed to get into power,now they simply are used as propaganda mouth pieces to further their identity politics,bring in more shitskins, weaken the country,and attract some of the rebellious fucktards that would instead be useful in a right wing movement if aimed towards the kikes instead of towards Starbucks and similar shit.
Basically an intelectual honeytrap for retards

That's a hell of a plan lad

Stalin wasn't supposed to get into power nor inherit the throne,he out jewel the kikes who mainly thought of him as a great golem working for them,he basically acted in jewish interests all his life until the very end when the kikes got tired of his shit because probably he did something gains their overall real interests and so killed him.
The end.