I'm a liberal who voted for Trump

Let's have a discussion about that. I really enjoy these kinds of threads, both for the bantz and the common ground we can find.

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The first question is how do you define liberal.

kill yourself

i wish trump would be less neoliberal reaganite GOPiss economically and do more of the pro-working class protectionist policies he promised.

>meme flag
shill thread.

paranoid piece of shit

>when you fall for bait this hard
nu/pol/ is too easy, you guys nearly take the fun out of shitposting

why did you vote for Trump?

I'm not a classical liberal because I have very strong left-wing economic positions such as universal healthcare, raising the minimum wage, and universal education.

When it comes to domestic and social issues, I probably align more with the right-libertarian side of things. For example, I'm pro-gun and anti-cultural Marxism. Trump's "America First" platform is also very appealing, I just wish he stuck to more of his campaign promises. I'm also for restricted immigration, so as you can see, there are a few sympathies I have for right-wing views.

I find hippies more favorable than Democrats and modern liberals, particularly for their non-violence and spiritual views on life.

>socially conservative
>economically leftist
okay so this is just a bait thread

Right on, but I still don't regret voting for Trump. I'd vote for him again if the election were held today, just because Hillary Clinton is so evil and dangerous.

He wasn't Hillary. That's the main reason, but I still could've voted for a third-party candidate. The reason I didn't do that was because Trump was just good enough and Hillary was just bad enough that I couldn't risk it. I live in Pennsylvania, an important swing state obviously, and so I couldn't live with myself if Clinton won Pennsylvania by 1 vote.

he is just gonna make rich people more rich

Fun fact: JFK Jr and Trump were good friends. JFK Jr actually predicted that Trump would become president in the future. Unfortunately, Trump's beloved friend was taken from him, securing Hillary Clinton's senate seat.

God is punishing Trump because only he can take it and do what needs to be done.

it's possible
sadly, probably, however there can be some good out of this admin due to the prioritization of national interests and labor
me too honestly

You sound like a "hardhat" liberal--this demographic and ideological group was crucial to Trump's success.

krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/04/07/rand-paul-and-the-empty-box/

God was telling Trump for a long time it seems.

MJ, JFK Jr and countless other friends.

I'm not a social conservative, I align most with Ron Paul's domestic and social views - true freedom, in other words. Because the modern left-wing is so insanely anti-white and anti-male, though, it comes across as a conservative platform when, really, I'm for things like drug legalization and keeping government out of marriage. When it comes to regressive positions like affirmative action, diversity quotas, and the like, that's where the left loses me.

yeah this is pretty much exactly where i stand man, we're out there

wait so you're just a libertarian?

I know, and that's a beautiful thing. I sometimes get frustrated with Trump's inaction, but he's got a spine. This government is rotten to the core, especially since 1913 with the introduction of the Fed.

It's tough out there for liberals like me, so I appreciate the hardhat label.

Feels good to know that, I feel like people don't understand what it means to be a true liberal nowadays.

When it comes to foreign, social, and domestic policy, I'm definitely libertarian. When it comes to economic policy, however, I align with the Bernie Sanders wing of liberalism, so I could never call myself a libertarian without right-libertarians justifiably laughing their asses off.

>I'm a liberal who voted for Trump
I'm a liberal who didn't vote for Trump, but I didn't vote for Hillary either. Abstained.

Trump is essentially a liberterian.

Very respectable. My Dad never voted for most of his life until 2012. We pretty much align perfectly when it comes to politics.

You never heard of

>National
>Socialists

>Very respectable. My Dad never voted for most of his life until 2012. We pretty much align perfectly when it comes to politics.
I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. Decided to stop supporting him after his Trayvon Martin comment. He practically pitted the Blacks against Whites with that comment.
>I have very strong left-wing economic positions such as universal healthcare, raising the minimum wage, and universal education.
I'm for universal basic healthcare - ER services, and other common diseases. Specialized medicine should still be private.
I'm for universal education but not for raising the minimum wage. Anti-cultural Marxism and like you, pro-gun. Actually, I'm more like to each his own on pro-gun.

>national socialism

>I'm
>Let's have a discussion about that

You must be a women as well?

okay okay I got it; you can't be pinned down on the normal 2-dimension framework, which would classify you as a "left-libertarian" or "liberaltarian". That doesn't work for you because those guys are all very pro-racial diversity and pro-immigration etc. So you're just sort of a variant on that.

vox.com/2016/9/1/12732168/economic-freedom-score-america-welfare-state

yeah we're basically the same viewpoint. closer to bernie economically but closer to ron paul or trump or something socially.

keep up, fagget
dude said he's strongly socialist in healthcare and education

I supported Ron Paul and Gary Johnson in 2012 since I was too young to vote, although I did somewhat lean for Obama over Romney. If I could've voted in 2008, I might've voted for Obama over McCain.

I was completely done with Obama when the NSA spying on us became mainstream in 2013 thanks to Snowden.

yeah i usually score the green square or "left libertarian".

i am basically a nationalist and isolationist, but also leftist economically and libertarian socially

Problem?

>a women

Yep, see pic related. I really like the term "liberal-tarian", I use it sometimes.

>gimme attention because I'm different and special
we knew you were a liberal you didn't have to specify

Moderate Democrat>libertarian (you are here)> conservative> traditionalist
Soon user.

>i am basically a nationalist and isolationist

See, but far-right people say that only they can be nationalist. I think our views are the embodiment of true nationalism where we take care of America First by using our tax dollars on the American people, not globalist wars, foreign aid, and bank bailouts.

If you're not American, just switch America with your country.

>that pic
Holy shit, a brainlet.

>Brainwashed>traditionalist>conservative>Moderate Democrat
FTFY

...

>brainwashed before traditionalist
What does brainwashed consist of then?

>The one time your shitty opinion could actually mean something
>Abstains

>bussiness man running for president
>promises pro-working class protectionist policies
>he wins
>he literally does the opposite.

Argies felt for the same jewish trick too (once again)

But hey, neoliberalism can't be that bad, right?

I usually get more negative attention, but sure, I like feeling special and having my voice heard. If this was Reddit or Tumblr, I'd be called a racist and a sexist.

We'll see, but I don't ever see myself becoming conservative, socially or economically.

I think this blog would suit you pretty well. You'll diverge from much of the "rationalist" and liberaltarian community on racial grounds, but there are plenty of folks who share your combination of major political views, and most of them are found in that group. I agree normal Democrats and Bernie people are too SJW, and today's conservatives are shitty at actual economic and public policy (and general competence).

slatestarcodex.com/2013/12/08/a-something-sort-of-like-left-libertarianism-ist-manifesto/

>talk about me

gas

yeah but the far right really associate the word "nationalism" strictly with 'white nationalism" and that's where the confusion is i guess. i agree with you though in that sense, tax dollars should solely go back to the american people. there is no excuse for people struggling to survive while working a steady job or having to go thousands into debt for education/health care in the richest country in human history.

>What does brainwashed consist of then?
Blind belief in what you're told. That's how most people start off on the right. From that you become traditionalist where you understand that traditions were developed over centuries and have some use. So instead of blind beliefs, you now have faith in traditions that work. After that, you become more moderate as you interact more with others because you realize different people have different traditions. From there you become conservative when you realize that conservatism underlies all traditions. Finally, you understand that there are many members of society (Gays, Transexuals, etc.) who can contribute to society economically but who don't fit within any conservative framework, and that's when you become a moderate democrat.

you have to take what you can get my friend with the 2 party system

believe me i was skeptical the whole time but the whole "outsider" thing, the consistent "america first" rhetoric, and alienating himself from the establishment gave me a glimmer of hope.

>>The one time your shitty opinion could actually mean something
>>Abstains
My opinion did mean something. I wanted Bernie, democrats cheated him, and so I didn't vote for Hillary. By not voting for Hillary, Trump got one less vote against him.

I can tell the blog writer is reasonable and awake just from the first few paragraphs there. Thanks, I'll probably read the whole thing before I go to bed.

Well shit, isn't that what we're all doing here between the shitposting and memes?

Oh yeah, it's really fucked up how much distraction and bullshit gets fed to us everyday in the mainstream media.

>"Forget the real issues that actually affect people's lives, here, get mad at Trump's racism, sexism, and xenophobia. Stay divided and conquered while the Fed elite continue to rob you blind, sheep"

Every single day we see this, and the dumbasses eat it up.

Come on man, I'm a beaner and I voted for Trump. I want him to fulfill all his promises!

Oh and btw, my whole family voted for Trump. And I'm wear a MAGA shirt I bought from during his campaign as type this. KEK

Congrats not fuck off till 2020 and vote for him again, we don't need you right now

Nationalism is nationalism. Far right or centrist, you can't have nationalist without nations.

>Finally, you understand that there are many members of society (Gays, Transexuals, etc.) who can contribute to society economically but who don't fit within any conservative framework, and that's when you become a moderate democrat.
and then you take the next step and push towards hating men, blaming white people for all worries, pushing for uneducated open borders niggers and muslims tp invade, and finally promoting pedophila. at this point you drop the moderate and just become a democrat

Bernie would've won the Rust Belt easily, and it's a damn shame the DNC stole it from him. We could see it coming a mile away, though. Hillary was the establishment choice.

We'll see, I'm still not completely sold yet. If Bernie or Gabbard runs in 2020, they'll probably have my vote over Trump, unless Trump does something incredible like end the Federal Reserve.

reddit spacing and using kek. go back to leftypol nigger

I can understand that a lot of what trump said outside of immigration was run of the mill republican. Which is very laissez-faire personal liberty Yadda Yadda. I also know a few liberals who voted trump as they see the race baiting the left do and saw that trump is a civic nationalist that was not due the amount of time he was called a racist.

If you look at how demographics vote you can also see immigration is the biggest threat to liberty in the West, therefore it is in true liberals interests to keep immigration of out groups low.

But I can't stand these race blind liberals who refuse to put two and two together. They are either as stupid as horse shit or more concerned about their image than the society in which they live in.

This is also my concern with liberalism, it is fundamentally more concerned with being a selfish individual rather than looking after your own. Which is why our rigidly liberal society is collapsing, people are only out for themselves the unity that came from order, social hierarchy, nationality and religions/ethnic homogeneity has been washed away and replace only by accepting the rampant equality the left spot.

the rust belt is full of retards. they vote union and bernie who is supporting DACA and open borders which would open up new cheap labor sources that would put them out of a job. what a fucking joke

Some fine b8 right here

Bernie actually used to be fairly red-pilled on open borders.

youtube.com/watch?v=vf-k6qOfXz0

>and then you take the next step and push towards hating men, blaming white people for all worries, pushing for uneducated open borders niggers and muslims tp invade, and finally promoting pedophila. at this point you drop the moderate and just become a democrat
There's a reason why I stopped at moderate democrat and didn't proceed to libertarian or radical democrat. The people you're talking about are radical democrats. They're not moderates.

I'm a democrat because they're more inclusive of people with different sexual orientations. I'm straight, but I think gays, transexuals, etc. can contribute to society. They can't reproduce unless there's a huge medical infrastructure, so that's out of the picture for them in general. But I think they should be allowed to work if they are able. The republicans primarily consist of traditionalists and that's why they're not the final step in spiritual evolution.

why do you think liberals love communism? Communism is the most selfish economic system in the world. It's literally liberals crying at big govt to take care of them and push for their wants by enslaving others to their beliefs. communism is nothing about the masses but only about what one person wants

and now he's shutting down the govt for DACA and open borders. classic jew

You're not socially right. You're a decentralized progressive nearing on staterights green party. I hope you live in NE or the NW since that's the only place you'll find parties like that. JFK/RFK had the religious and moral aspect I doubt you have.

>Bernie would've won the Rust Belt easily, and it's a damn shame the DNC stole it from him.
Still haven't gotten over it.
>Hillary was the establishment choice.
Yeah. There's been a couple of threads from a CIA user or a LARPer - can't tell at this stage, and the user said Hillary was a deep state agent. Rather, she was the deep state's choice. So I guess that translates to Hillary was CIA's preferred choice. I find this believable.

It's true faggots and never been on reddit

>I base my worldview on anal sex
whew

that's not radical liberalism. that is modern liberalism. what you are preaching is classic liberalism which would be moderate conservationism today. Conservative is not about killing gay people and lynching niggers. conservatism is all about preserving the core and moving things forward at steady but small increments. what you have now are neo-cons who know nothing about that belief and modern liberalism who wants to kill all white males for patriarchy and rape culture while importing muslims who actually practice rape culture. forcing diversity for simply diversity and attacking assimilation as racism

>They are either as stupid as horse shit or more concerned about their image than the society in which they live in.
They're more concerned about their image. I felt betrayed by my party yesterday. We held military and child medicaid hostage because of DACA. We practically gave Trump the midterms yesterday. Schumer and Pelosi should resign. At this stage, it's fairly obvious even to me that they're on top only because they have dirt on everyone else.

>and now he's shutting down the govt for DACA and open borders. classic jew
He's just voting along party lines. It's Schumer and Pelosi who're at fault.

Yeah, I'm not socially right, I'm more right-libertarian. When it comes to religion, no, I'm not religious, but I do believe in spirituality.

For instance, I'm a proponent of the Golden Rule where you treat others as they were yourself. I believe this is literally true, as we are all one consciousness. Everyone reading this has consciousness just as I do, and in that way, we are all one. I think you can pursue a spiritual path in life without the religious dogma that thte elite use to control people.

I'm a shitskin beaner but I was raised around whites. They called me the rich Mexican because my parents had money.

Oh yeah, for sure, and she's especially dangerous because she can do more harm and get away with it due to "muh first woman president has more balls than the men! look, she's bombing syria, what a strong wymen!"

Scary stuff, we really dodged a bullet with her.

>>I base my worldview on anal sex
>whew
You're from Sweden. Anal sex is all you're going to get for the next few years due to your penchant for bending over backwards and allowing refugees in. You'll understand me once you've been buttfucked a few times by Mohammed in a couple of years.

then he's just a jew with no morals or conviction. basically another get in line jew for the DNC. and why do you libs want this again? he's basically pelosi's bitch if he became president

you don't become the top boss for one of the world's largest political party by being nice.

>flagposting
go back

>that's not radical liberalism. that is modern liberalism.
What you're talking about is liberalism being co-opted by radical feminists and radical leftists. There are many of us who're still moderates.
>what you are preaching is classic liberalism which would be moderate conservationism today.
No, it wouldn't be. Where do Gays fit into conservatism? They don't.
>Conservative is not about killing gay people and lynching niggers. conservatism is all about preserving the core and moving things forward at steady but small increments.
By that logic, we would one day accept pedophilia which you (and I) are obviously opposed to. Conservatism is about maintaining the family unit and rejecting all other mutants from society. Get your facts straight.
>what you have now are neo-cons who know nothing about that belief and modern liberalism who wants to kill all white males for patriarchy and rape culture while importing muslims who actually practice rape culture.
They are radicals, not moderates.

You are correct, OP is a Nazi

kek

The more I talk to Trump voters, the less I blame them. Even the most hillbilly morons who voted for him were misled and often are dissatisfied with him today. It's just a tragedy. I pity you, OP.

>Scary stuff, we really dodged a bullet with her.
Yeah.

>classical liberalism is voting for massive taxation, section ape housing, racial (b-but "positive) discrimination, forced integration and open borders
>all for the sake of buggery
yeah, no

>By that logic, we would one day accept pedophilia which you (and I) are obviously opposed to. Conservatism is about maintaining the family unit and rejecting all other mutants from society. Get your facts straight.
we might very well get to legalizing pedophila but it will be a long long way under conservatives vs liberals. Classic conservatives know that society will change and there is nothing we can do about that. but instead of jumping to GAY RIGHTS, PATRIARCHY, KILL ALL WHITE MEN, we move slowly towards the future. not transition overnight like liberalism wants so badly.
>They are radicals, not moderates.
when the top members of your "moderate parties" are preaching false wage equality, destruction of white straight males, open borders, and radical feminism how can you say with a straight face that it's moderate? e.g. pelosi, warren, schumer, bernie, etc.

The Big Boys were more scared of Bernie than you think. While I think the Fed media attacks Trump way more harshly than Bernie, they flat out ignored Bernie at the beginning of the race just like they did with all of Ron Paul's 2012 campaign. During the later stages of the 2016 race is when they came out and started attacking Sanders and the "Berniebro" bullshit came out. Basically, whoever the Fed media attacks or ignores, they're probably good. Whoever you're not allowed to criticize, that's who you watch out for.

The MSM is nothing more than a Fed mouthpiece, an establishment lapdog, not a watchdog.

So, you're a stupid asshole who voted for Trump because it was rebellious?

I'm with second poster... kys.

>then he's just a jew with no morals or conviction.
Why is voting along party lines in a highly partisan environment sufficient to categorize someone as amoral and uncertain? Are you going to call everyone who votes along party lines a Jew now? Face it, the only reason you're not turning on Republicans voting along party lines is because they're your party.
>he's basically pelosi's bitch if he became president
Other than Jane Sanders, they don't have much dirt on him. Besides, Jane Sanders can at most be blamed for being a very poor college president. The media exaggerated her mistakes to snipe Bernie's campaign.

prove me wrong sven. what have democrats done except put black people back into slavery. only difference is blacks are now more willing to do it then in the past

>>flagposting
>go back
I didn't think you had any substantial arguments either.

>big boys afraid
>bernie voting for what the big boys wants
>shuts down the govt to force trump to import more spics to take over job of his voters in rust belt
sure they're afraid. so afraid. face the fact bernie is a jew and will do whatever the DNC tells him.

>flagposting
>an argument
>even an insult, coming from a 56%er
nah
face it, you're throwing all of your supposed convictions down the drain all for the sake of sodomy
that's laughable

Berniebros need to realize that in the aftermath of the Dem primary, Bernie got bought off. He's no longer a viable option to run for President because he's been compromised. Also, the numbers on universal healthcare don't work until you can break the AMA and Big Pharma's hold on healthcare regs. Got any bright ideas for that?

>Are you going to call everyone who votes along party lines a Jew now?
I'm calling him a jew because he is a jew. maybe you lefist bernie dick suckers should learn what bernie is before criticizing people. and voting along party lines is just proof that he is amoral and uncertain. when he becomes president will he push for what he preaches or do what his party pushes in legislation? will be follow his old speeches about anti-borders or will be shut down the govt to let illegals enter the US? yea he's a shrill and will vote for whatever pelosi tells him and you're an idiot for believing in him
>Other than Jane Sanders, they don't have much dirt on him. Besides, Jane Sanders can at most be blamed for being a very poor college president. The media exaggerated her mistakes to snipe Bernie's campaign
really now leftist. you think the DNC controlled media won;t just create "anonymous sources" and fake news to attack him? you truly are an idiot who would vote for bernie

berniebros are idiots. they think this jew is not jewing the US. if bernie really believes in the workers and all that shit he would have been pushing for ross perot during the 90s instead of attacking him with bill clinton. hey how did nafta help bernie's voting base again? jews jewing the US again

Slavery implies work.
>diversity for the sake of diversity
Desegregation.

>we might very well get to legalizing pedophila
Do you know why most modern societies don't encourage pedophilia? Or for that matter why we don't see majority of modern cultures practicing pedophilia? It's because children will always receive a raw deal in the transaction.

If sex is a business transaction, then sex between two consenting adults is fair trade. Adults being the keyword. Children will never be equipped to make such a decision because they don't understand what sex is for. They're too young to realize that sex arises from a need to reproduce and pedophiles are people with an evolutionary defect (trying to fuck a child doesn't improve your chances of reproduction).

That is why societies that encourage pedophilia either never survive (they scar a generation) or slowly die out.
tl;dr: Your assertion is shit and society will never go that far.
>not transition overnight like liberalism wants so badly.
Anyway, we're arguing on definitions at this stage. The ones I call radical leftists, you call them moderates. I call myself moderate democrat because I don't identify with the republicans, but you call me conservative. It's just definitions, and arguing will lead nowhere.
> e.g. pelosi, warren, schumer, bernie, etc.
I've renounced Pelosi and Schumer in my other posts
I don't like Warren and fuck off, Bernie's off limits. When you run a presidential campaign that's sabotaged by your party, I'll take your opinions on Bernie seriously.

>Do you know why most modern societies don't encourage pedophilia?
but i see it encouraged by the DNC

Since you're a troll, here's another (You) for you to jack off too.

>Are you going to call everyone who votes along party lines a Jew now? Face it, the only reason you're not turning on Republicans voting along party lines is because they're your party.

Where the fuck do you think you are, retard? The GOP gets buttfucked live every single day here; they get absolutely fucking roasted for being the kike suck-up invertebrates they are. The only difference between the Dems and the GOP is that the GOP isn't nearly as good at thought-policing their own so people who want to enact change are able to actually pursue it to some extent, in comparison to the brainwashing camp that is the Democrat Party.

>Slavery implies work.
to the modern nigger getting bused to voting stations and getting paid to vote the DNC is work