Light skin color evolved 5,000yrs ago

There are no races. Europeans are a mix of Med, Middle Eastern and Central Asian people. Skin color came later due to changing one’s diet away from meat to veggies.

There is more genetic difference to black Africans, but not between North Africans and Middle Easterners and Europeans.

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SAGE

you can map populations' genetics and Europeans and mudshits have their own, separate, clusters. So yes races do exist you smelly Pajeet.

Look at the scale of variations, it is nothing

the variations are nuffin

5000 years ago.
NOAH

implying race is only skin color

you'll find that Europeans cluster very closely though, compared with Africans whereby there's nilotic, khoisan, Bantu and afars on opposite ends

What made you think this, Achmed?

Races exist. Our classification of them is flawed.

I just noticed the X axis seems to be neolithic farmer input. Looks more sandnigger on the left and more chinky on the far right. Is that PC1 or PC2 of European genes?

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Because race is skin-deep right kike

> From meat to veggies

oh my nigga not a word about the intensity of the sun near the equator, hairlessness, or vitamin D you gotta be JOKIN MY ASS

sage

S A G E goes in all fields;
In ALL fields

>There is more genetic difference to black Africans,
Oh, look! A negra has arrived!

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>The FST between humans and homo erectus is 0.17 which is 3/4 the Black-White distance.
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0018442X04700335

>Blacks are by far the genetically closest group to Chimpanzees. The Nigerian-Chimp genetic distance using Nei's method is 1.334, 72% of the White(German) distance of 1.865; using Cavalli-Sforza's method the Black distance is 0.539, or 79% of the White distance of 0.680.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1801145/?page=7

>Some scientists prior to the domination of leftism and egalitarianism argued that Blacks and Whites should be considered separate species. "The typical negroes of adult age, when tried by this rule, are proved to belong to a different species from the man of Europe or Asia, because the head and face are anatomically constructed more after the fashion of the simiadiae [apes] and the brute creation than the Caucasian and Mongolian species of mankind, their mouth and jaws projecting beyond the forehead containing the anterior lobes of the brain."
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>"There is as good reason for classifying the Negro as a distinct species from Europeans as there is for making an ass a distinct species from the zebra;…there is a far greater difference between the Negro and the European than between the gorilla and chimpanzee."
archive.org/stream/onnegrosplacein00londgoog#page/n12/mode/2up

I still don't understand why there are gingers and blondes though?

>due to changing one’s diet away from meat to veggies.
ahh yes those who moved north had such a great supply of veggies all year long due to cimate
amirite
not like every single fucking culture north of italy was based on hunting animals

>Dairy
FTFY, but yeah. Point still stands.
>What's it like to have to plan ahead and shieeeet?

good goy

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i will justly hate niggers regardless of whether there is a scientific justification, so this is all hot air really.

>What's it like to have to plan ahead and shieeeet?
you realize that vegetables and such have a very short shelf-life if you don't keep them in optimal temperatures, and even on those they don't last too long, unless frozen the whole time.
fat and salt were the main ways to preserve food.
meat and fish were the main sources of energy for centuries if not millennia

>There are no races
>Europeans are a mix of all these other races
It sounds to me you think only the european race doesnt exist.

Middle Easterners have no Western Hunter-Gatherer or Yamnaya Aryan admixture. They are racially first cousins to Whites because of our shared Early Neolithic Farmer DNA, but they are not White because they are missing those components.

What does it mean to be racially White explained. The three building blocks of the White Race:
>Western European Hunter-Gatherers
>Early Neolithic Farmers (also called Early European Famers)
>Yamnaya (Aryan) Invaders from the Pontiac Steppe

SOURCE: Massive migration from the steppe was a source for Indo-European languages in Europe
>Haal et al, Nature 522, 207–211 (11 June 2015)
nature.com/articles/nature14317
GOOD SUMMARY & COMMENTARY
>Massive migration from the steppe
anthromadness.blogspot.com/2015/02/massive-migration-from-steppe.html

There's more to race than skin color.

But blacks and whites can produce fertile offspring, while gorillas and chimps can't

>>there are no races
>>whites are a mix of these races
Your family tree is a straight line isn't it.

This. South Europeans have the most Middle Eastern ancestry.

>Yamnaya Aryan admixture
pic is me 100% iraqi

Modern Muslim Arabs are also around 10-15% Sub-Saharan African because of the slave trade, which separates them even further from modern Whites.

Modern Christian Arab groups have far less/minimal African admixture and could be considered racial first cousins to Whites because of shared Early Neolithic Farmer (Natufian) DNA.
Source:
anthromadness.blogspot.com/2015/06/copts-example-of-pre-islamic-and-arab.html

Neat. You have mitanni blood in your veins

Christian?
Probably Mitanni Aryan descent. North Iraq was conquered and ruled by Aryans just like Europe, Perisa & India were:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitanni#Indo-Aryan_superstrate

Australian aboriginals are more genetically separated from Africans then Caucasians are from Africans, yet aboriginals have Neanderthal DNA.

>Middle Easterners have no Western Hunter-Gatherer or Yamnaya Aryan admixture.
They do. Iranians have both of those admixture. So do Levantines like Lebanese and Syrians. See >What does it mean to be racially White explained. The three building blocks of the White Race:
>Western European Hunter-Gatherers
>Early Neolithic Farmers (also called Early European Famers)
>Yamnaya (Aryan) Invaders from the Pontiac Steppe

Middle Easterners have all three ancestries. They just usually have it at a smaller level, although there are Mid Eastern populations who have more Aryan ancestry than European populations.

>because of our shared Early Neolithic Farmer DNA
You don't understand... Middle Easterners are literally the same people as ENF. They just diverge because of other mixtures. Europeans are mutts whose women got fucked by prehistoric middle eastern men. The "browning" already happened before. (Pre)History repeats itself.

More on African admixture amongst modern Arabs. Modelled here as the Dinka & Yoruba bits inside Arab DNA.

muslim arab from baghdad
agnostic shia muslim family
not really even saudis would have it
you historically have the horse = you have yamnaya admixture

>Modern Muslim Arabs are also around 10-15% Sub-Saharan African because of the slave trade
They don't. Only Arabs are those from the Arabian peninsula and they don't subsaharan admixture at that level. There may be subsaharan population at that level but the actual Arabs which are accounted for by tribe do not have this amount of admixture.

I would prefer to reserve "Aryan" for the Indo-Iranian family, rather than the whole Indo-European clade. Sure, the Arya word root exists in all IE families, but the only ones known to have used the word as an ethnic identifier consistently for a long time are the Indo-Iranians.

That's not 10 to 15% you retard.

Vitamin D deficiency. Those with dark skin, dark hair etc. just died from diseases as a result of a plant based diet. This is why Inuit are darker in their faces than Swedes although Inuits live further to the North. No agriculture there.

do you feel powerful, nerd?

>you historically have the horse = you have yamnaya admixture
Horses were first tamed in Arabia. See al Magar site in Saudi where prehistoric depictions of tamed horses dating thousands of years earlier were found.

No, it really isn’t. Race is a social construct. Countless inseminations of black women by white men showed that.

Iranians have a different Iranian Hunter Gatherer Admixture and only around 15% Yamnaya DNA

Then why don't I have sickle cell?

Your claim was that they didn't have any Yamnaya admixture. Now you're moving the goal posts by claiming their admixture is irrelevant because it is only little. Of course, how you define little is vague and depends on feelings.

The fact of the matter is that your assertion was false. There is not a solid way to discern whites in a way to satisfy the political beliefs generally espoused by the board.

>They just diverge because of other mixtures.
Yeah, that's the difference. They either never had the magic or lost it by admixing with mud people.

>They just usually have it at a smaller level
Exactly: Not enough to have the wypipo magic. Look at the differences between North & South Euros from losing a bit of the magic and replacing it with ENF. Then look at Arabs who are several steps further down the ladder.

Why would you accept post-WW2 (((narratives)))?
Everyone prior to WW2 called them Aryans and Haak showed it's justified.

Got to add both together.

Great theory, wealthy incompetent brat

>Your claim was that they didn't have any Yamnaya admixture.
No I didn't.

Indians and Iranians have Yamnaya admixture, just not as much as Euros because of admixture into mud people locals.

You're incapable of making a coherent statement. There is no "magic" lost. They're virtually the same people before people like Celtics (Galaticans) and others migrated into the region, thus making the divergence bigger than what it would have been over time without population mixing.

ENF were not white. Their closest relatives are Middle Easterners.

What magic are you talking about? Try to make your point clear by appealing to reality or don't bother. If by "magic" you're talking about civilization achievements, Middle Easterners (from Arabs to Persians) were far more advanced than North Europeans until the last 500 years. South Europeans were more advanced than Nordics as well. It wasn't because of race suddenly changed that's for sure.

Germans had no history and so they latched on the Aryan identity. They were WE WUZers like African Americans pretending that Ancient Egyptians looked exactly like them.

That's not how it works.

No, it didn't. It exists in vastly different places of the planet, in races that have been separated for tens of thousands of years at a minimum. The Egyptians depicted light skinned women of their own race and even lighter-skinned people of other races thousands of years ago, around the time you're talking about. So they were already light in the middle east. It's pretty obvious that they'd have been pasty as fuck in Europe, then.

They have more yamnaya admixture who didn't even look white by the way.

>hey were genetically tall (phenotypic height is determined by both genetics and environmental factors), overwhelmingly dark-eyed (brown), dark-haired and had a skin colour that was moderately light, though somewhat darker than that of the average modern European.[25][6
>though somewhat darker than that of the average modern European.

See Iran has a bigger ANE than most European countries. Now, ANE is not Yamanaya but Yamnaya isn't far from it.

Anyway, the discussion is far from what it was. Your original argument has already been trashed.

>some dog breeds "evolved" like 1000 years ago, those dogs are actually prized as being good and better dogs then other dogs
>there dogs are wolfs, no diffrence
aha....

>in races that have been separated for tens of thousands of years at a minimum.
But that's not true. There were massive waves of migration from the Middle East to Europe in the new stone age. Some of those waves happened less than 10 000 years ago. In southern europe, the amount of mid eastern ancestors is from 50 to 68% of admixture.

Jej all the European races (plus Tartars) stand out as radically different and European.

REMINDER:
>1. West European Hunter-Gatherers (WHG), who contributed ancestry to all Europeans but not to Near Easterners.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4170574/

>2. Only Europeans have high proportions of Yamnaya Aryan DNA. All other Aryan descendants are far more heavily mixed and with with different mud people to Euros.

What are you even trying to say?

FACTS:
The three building blocks of the White Race:
>Western European Hunter-Gatherers
>Early Neolithic Farmers (also called Early European Famers)
>Yamnaya (Aryan) Invaders from the Pontiac Steppe

SOURCE: Massive migration from the steppe was a source for Indo-European languages in Europe
>Haal et al, Nature 522, 207–211 (11 June 2015)
nature.com/articles/nature14317
GOOD SUMMARY & COMMENTARY
>Massive migration from the steppe
anthromadness.blogspot.com/2015/02/massive-migration-from-steppe.html

Middle-Easterners:
>Little to no Yamnaya DNA (Levantines & Iranians slightly more, but far less than even South Euros)
>No Western Hunter Gatherer input
>Mixed with other non-Euro hunter gatherer peoples
>Mixed with Sub-Saharan Africans

They are the markers of our racial differences that have produced radically different societies and civilisations. We can deduce that magic comes from the unique genetic European combination, with heavier Yamnaya admixture producing better results. North Euros are still predominantly genetically Aryan, and the the best South Euros likewise the same.

>Now, ANE is not Yamanaya
Yeah exactly retard. Shit ANE plebs who didn't become Yamnaya patricians have NO special claim on the Aryan magic that conquered half the world and gave birth to the toppest of top-tier European race.

>1. West European Hunter-Gatherers (WHG), who contributed ancestry to all Europeans but not to Near Easterners.
That's clearly false. See this map again.

Are the people who wrote this so called study even scientists? Usually scientists are very careful using words like "impossible" or "none".

>Only Europeans have high proportions of Yamnaya Aryan DNA.
Nope. The proportions are in the 10 to 15% range at best.
Using the Dodecad K12b Gedrosian admixture as a proxy, the highest frequencies are found in the British Isles, (10-13%), Norway, the Low Countries and France (8-10%), then in Germany, Denmark and Sweden (7%), as well as Spain, Portugal and North Italy (5-7%).
>In terms of genetic admixtures, the best proxy for ancient Yamnayans would be a person with 3 grand-parents of (Highland) Scottish or Irish descent and 1 grand-parent of Brahui or Balochi descent (both ethnic groups being found in Balochistan, in Southwest Pakistan). Such a person would have about 26% of Gedrosian admixture and 67% of Mesolithic European ancestry. This person would also have a few percents of South Asian and Near Eastern admixture other than the Gedrosian, so it not a perfect match, but as close as it can get using modern populations.
eupedia.com/genetics/yamna_culture.shtml
>hurr durr facts are facts despite them not making any sense!
There are middle east populations with those three ancestries you idiot. Virtually all people would have at least one ancestor of those three groups in the Middle East. Therefore, your classification is bullshit. There is a WHG input in many mid east populations.

>Mixed with Sub-Saharan Africans
Same with whites in the southern states of America. Yet they are considered whites.

>have produced radically different societies and civilisations.
Europe civilization was basically copy pasting from the Middle East at first. It's not due to your mythical races.

THATS IT. I agree. Let's let in millions of uneducated refugees not interested in learning our language and only interested in welfare.
I have been btfo. Every statistic and culture dosn't matter because:
>there are no races
>no borders from space hur dur
>SO YOU ThINK YOUR WHITE?
>HAHA race isn't real

ARABS ETERNALLY BTFO!

You have no cognition, you're trying to comprehend information that is too much for your malformed synapses.

ANE is not Yamnaya but they are close to them. Either way, for someone to be closest to Yamnaya they would need to have some recent Balochi ancestry in Pakistan. That would give the closest possible product to Yamnaya genetically speaking.

Pre Haak trash map

Lions and Tigers can create fertile offspring, It's just that both species mingling together in the wild is almost impossible and as such natural Ligers are never seen.

All the Middle-Eastern WHG admixture is sub 5%
Prove my point. No significant admixture, probably basal European noise.

Europeans are distinct, one reason being significant WHG admixture which no other people have.

Are you saying whites are the youngest race and have created the most affluent societies in the shortest amount of time?
My word, how ... superior.

wow would you look at that

HAAK BTFO'S YOUR BULLSHIT

READ IT YOU FUCKING SPASTIC
>Massive migration from the steppe was a source for Indo-European languages in Europe
>Haak
et al, Nature 522, 207–211 (11 June 2015)
nature.com/articles/nature14317
GOOD SUMMARY & COMMENTARY
>Massive migration from the steppe
anthromadness.blogspot.com/2015/02/massive-migration-from-steppe.html

And what? They are not Aryans. Pre-Yamnaya ANE are not Aryans PERIOD. no Aryan magic in ANE that are not Yamnaya. No special selection, no achievment, no contribution to the White Euro masterrace.

>retardation.jpeg
You missed moldavian. And the claim wasn't about Arabs having a lot of Yamnaya but Iranians having so who are not Arabs.
Haak didn't claim no WHG in middle East.
>if it's sub 5% it doesn't count
Hey retard, try to do this simple math problem:
If a number is greater than 0 is, it it a positive number?
That explains a lot actually.

No one is saying it's not a source. Of course it is since I.E languages are spread throughout Europe at a time where transportation and means of travel were primitive. You're doing a strawman fallacy.

But Haak doesn't claim no WHG in the Middle East.

>They are not Aryans.
Neither are Yamanya. They are pre-Aryans. Aryans are the result of peoples like Yamnya mixing with locals that would make the Iranic peoples.

>Europeans are distinct, one reason being significant WHG admixture which no other people have.

were western hunter gatherers mostly separated from other populations for tens of thousands of years in europe? were cro magnons western hunter gatherers?

Again the ENOURMOUS racial differences between the disgusting mud people of the Middle-East, and the noble and pure Europeans (aka true sons of the Aryans):

>No African shit
>No pre-Yamnaya ANE pleb shit
>No South-Indian Shit
>Significant Yamanya DNA (at minimum double Eastern Aryan peoples)
>Significant Western Hunter Gatherer DNA

You've been ETERNALLY BTFO even by your own shit Druze graphs (which were never intended to show Euro vs NE differences) that show enormous differences in the compositions of Euros vs MEers. Get the fuck out of here you dumb Arab cunt. You will never be one of us. You will never be White. You will never be Aryan. You will never have the Wypipo magic in your genes.

Nope. Whites are much older than that.
Blue eyes are an adaptation to the Sea and after thousands of years of eating shellfish, fish, sea mammals and micro nutrients white became smarter from the Omega vitamins and acids.
Whites have been on the Sea 30K fucking years. Thats where they belong, not some muddy, dark Northern shithole.

>were western hunter gatherers mostly separated from other populations for tens of thousands of years in europe?
Yes. Since before the last ice age. Big genetic drift.

Lazaridis et al 2014 you filthy mud people scum:
>West European Hunter-Gatherers (WHG), who contributed ancestry to all Europeans but not to Near Easterners;
biorxiv.org/content/early/2013/12/23/001552

any good starting points for learning about population genetics?

i dont know much about it but eupedia.com/ has some interesting stuff.

I’d recommend doing research on the Armenians. Since they isolated them selves from the rest of the world they’re dna didn’t mix for 3500 years. That’s why they are most connected people to ancient Europeans.

>That explains a lot actually.
yeah not really, this would imply moortuguese are as white as central germans

But that's wrong. Polynesians and other islanders all have brown eyes and abbo tier intelligence.

is that a photoshopped lauren southern?

test

Haplogroups and admixture have nothing to do with race. You guys are absolutely retarded and clueless.

Humans and neanderthals as well as other species could produce fertile offspring.

>Light skin color evolved 5,000yrs ago
youtube.com/watch?v=WM-wL51wCFs

>Race isn't real