Traditionalism

what does it mean to be a "traditionalist"?

A person who adheres to tradition, especially in cultural or religious practices

honestly I'm not entirely sure.
The same thing occurs when discussing "Imperialism" as contemporary marxist rhetoric focuses on British Imperialism but avoids Roman Imperialism, Chinese Imperialism, and even Middle Eastern Imperialism like the plague.

"Traditional" could mean any time from the 1950's to primitive man but is simply viewed as "bad". A great example of this comes from Jordan Peterson's interview with that one dumb bitch, at one point she asks if "we're taking things back to the dark ages" in reference to how we treat women.
The irony here is that during the Medieval Period women were treated incredibly well and, while they lacked political power (just like most of the men), they were happier.

So, if you're asking me, a self-proclaimed fascist who's engaged to a "traditional" redpilled qt waifu who's more likely to burn a cross on jamal's lawn then cuck me, I would say that 'traditional' would mean nothing more than natural.

And by natural I mean "organic" or "as nature intended humanity to operate". I'd even go so far as to add that to be traditional is to "live naturally while resisting nature" or "to live a life of understood struggle" even.

Monarchism, feudalism, elitism, aristocracy, caste system, etc

What's the difference between Traditionalism and Conservatism ?

>What's the difference between Traditionalism and Conservatism ?

Compared to reaction, Conservatism is liberalism-lite. its much more concerned for fairness, democracy etc. it has strong economic opinions where tradition doesn't really comment all that much except for constant implications that it should never interfere with local values. reaction/traditionalism is about solvency and is highly skeptical of any notion of 'social progress'

>I'd even go so far as to add that to be traditional is to "live naturally while resisting nature" or "to live a life of understood struggle" even.
That's very nicely worded honestly

It seems to me that, historically, Conservatism originally was indistinguishable from what we call today Reaction/Traditionalism. What happened ?

Someone who doesn't know which parts of his culture are actually responsible for its success and ends up keeping only the shitty parts:
> GROWS BEARD
> CONVERTS TO ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY
> MOVES INTO A CAVE
> "HAHAHA JEWS BTFO!!!"

Depends on who you ask. Most would say it's just the values that presided before modernism. Others will go even further back and say many things of the renaissance are not traditionalist enough to be truly traditionalist.

Traditionalism is mostly defined by the values it holds. Conservatism is defined by it's opposition, or the reactionaries.

E.G conservatives are almost never described as for family values, but rather against things like same sex marrige, abortion etc. This is why it also mostly fails.

>It seems to me that, historically, Conservatism originally was indistinguishable from what we call today Reaction/Traditionalism. What happened ?
No. Conservatives have always been progressive. They just have the delusion of believing they can keep the old order. Traditionalism is, ironically, a newer ideology in the sense of being constituted mainly by 20th and 21st century thinkers.

so many labels...
I consider myself a traditionalist ultraconservative.
I want there to be no public display of indecency/degeneracy.
An ethnic state which puts it's people first.
Freedom as long as you're not harming the nation/society.

Zeus is fit

IT'S HAPPENING

You mean his brother Poseidon.

Denouncing every system that goes against the good of the family.

That includes (((capitalism)))

>E.G conservatives are almost never described as for family values, but rather against things like same sex marrige, abortion etc. This is why it also mostly fails.
Absolutely this.

This ^
Well put user.

It means you're angry and lonely all the time. Then around 30-35 the roasties switch sides and you maybe get married, have kids, get cheated on and lose half your shit.

If traditionalism and conservatism means nostalgia for the status quo ante, then it is a meaningless label that can be affixed to any position.
In contemporary russia, for example, a communist reactionary could very well fit both the traditionalist and conservative definitions.

It thus becomes apparent that it is not enough for something to be merely traditional. It also has to be a good tradition.
I would say my understanding of "good" tradition is derived from an Evolian appreciation of a masculine spirituality that is aimed toward the transcendent and a Hoppean appreciation for natural order.

Basically, tradition is about:

>survival values
>natural order
>non materialism
>absolute masculinity and femininity
>heroic spirituality

This.

For instance instead of trying to shame people for fapping to unhealthy depictions of sexuality in porn and having premarital sex, we should teach the biology of how women psychologically can't thrive under promiscuity, the beauty of marriage, and to empathize with one another.

Then we should also encourage erotic comics with compatible moral content so that people can fap to something wholesome like a married couple kissing and making love with the coital alignment technique to mutual orgasm and then cuddling. People act like that would be boring somehow, but you can mix up the environment, sex positions, personalities, lingerie. People deprived of porn can fap to just nudes after all.

Ι forgot to say that, in light of the above, traditionalism points to the past only as a matter of convenience, and not because it has a fetish for things past.
It just so happens that the values and dispositions it promotes were generally upholded in past societies. The past is only used as a means of illustration and point of reference, and not as an end in itself.

Evola himself states that the distinction between past and present societies is both a historical and an Ideal one.

Which tradition?

Traditionalism = neoreactionism. So just google that. Basically, monarchy/feudalism/aristocracy/caste system coupled with esoteric religious experience, old family values, military prowess, etc. Some people combine all that with a scientific backdrop. Imagine Rome with spaceships.

Living by the objective truths of reality.

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Tradition is a comfy word.
Also it makes faggots sad because their only tradition is being despised by everyone.

It means: FUCK OFF WE'RE FULL

imo, at its core Traditionalism is an assertion that societies work better when their rules are gradually and subconsciously evolved over time, as opposed to Progressivism which says that we should deliberately change the rules of society so it's optimized according to some short-term metric.
Things that are "right-wing" but not Traditional: fascism, usury, prohibition

doesn't mean shit, just another label used for divide and conquer tactics.

understanding nature is one of laws, then simply operate with respect to those timeless laws

traditions exist, as such because they are continuously selected, because they work; meanwhile, widespread degeneracy is anomalous, historically short-lived, and attends social destruction. ww3 soon. today is no exception