My teacher was talking about how illegal immigrants are a benefit to the economy in USA...

My teacher was talking about how illegal immigrants are a benefit to the economy in USA. I pointed out that illegals cost the US billions of dollars per year, she smugly asked me "where did you learn that from, Trump?" and kept talking about how immigrants are good for our countries and how we have no culture.

Redpill me on immigration, is she right?

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Good in what way?

Yeah, she is. Time to an hero desu

no she isn't

this information isn't hard to get too its not a red pill

Economically and culturally. She claimed we need more young people.

Of course she's right, she's your teacher for a reason sweetie. She just wanted to avoid making you look bad in front of your friends.

have more kids?

>memeflag
>worthless opinion

illegal immigrants contribute to the illegal drug trade in the US which actually does cost us billions of dollars a year and greatly contributes to the entire national crimerate.

>she claimed we need more young people
Someone should rape her then

and yes she's right we need more young people, but that can be solved by increasing the fertility rate and increasing our intake of legal immigrants

Well, where did you learn that from? Why are you making these claims if you can't back it up?

Immigrants do probably benefit the economy, but most of the profit goes to the top elite.

You can point put that japan exists.

No, she’s wrong. If these immigrants were such a benefit for our economy, they would have benefitted their own economy and therefore wouldn’t need to immigrate. There’s a reason why “immigrant” and “shitskin from some third world shithole” are virtually synonymous.

*out

I was gonna link you an article but holy shit alt hyp is down. Fuck. I should've ripped the site, it was a fucking goldmine.

smack her in the face. seriously.
she's a threat to your nation, and does not give a single fuck about your existence.
she said it her self.

>I pointed out that illegals cost the US billions of dollars per year

That's literally not true. They have a net economic positive because they subsidize the shit out of produce with their super cheap labor.

Honestly, I hope they open the floodgates after Trump is gone. If Taylor is right then we (white Americans) will do our own thing and congregate somewhere if this country turns to multi-racial shit. The United States is a shit nation anyway, ruled by Jews and rootless ultra-wealthy. Let's just nuke this shit and start over.

If you want a good GPA she's always right. This is a problem in universities...unfortunately the right wing is doing absolutely nothing about it. All they care about are tax benefits for rich people.

>we have no culture
Wait, what? I thought this was just an Anglosphere meme among shitlibs and Cunts of Colour.

I wonder who could be behind this?

>they bring down wages so it's all good
whew

>so you're saying slavery is a benefit to the economy in the USA

>Economically and culturally. She claimed we need more young people.
Unfortunately, due to all Western women having the three induced abortions to qualify as real feminists, all of them are barren and therefore the traditional way of making more young people is an impossibility.

Fuck your teacher to assert dominance the only way to teach a woman anything is through a hard dicking

But really, old childless women are enslaved by the oxytocin dumped by their brains, making them have a crazy cat lady outlook on immigration.

Illegals pay more into the system then they get out of it (which is almost nothing)

If you have to ask for arguments you shouldnt hold an opinion in the first place.

does her surname end with (((stein))) perhaps?

What a stupid cunt. Immigrants from shitty sandnigger places need at least 2 years just to learn the language (if they ever do). You can bump that up to 5 years in Finngolia, seeing how you speak literally Elvish. So that makes ~2-5 years where they are dependant of gibs, and learning the language does not guarantee JOBS. Without even checking, I could guess that at least 70% of all immigrants won't get a job, and rather be a drain on their host country until death.

sure, it can be a net boost to GDP, by increasing company productivity and earnings, through forcing wages down via. a massive surplus of imported workers that are willing to work for scraps, compared to the native worker base.

So it's a boost to country GDP, but often at the cost of reduced living standard for the lower- and middle-class, who have to compete with the imported workers.

>What does it all add up to? The fiscal burden offsets the gain from the $50 billion immigration surplus, so it’s not too farfetched to conclude that immigration has barely affected the total wealth of natives at all. Instead, it has changed how the pie is split, with the losers—the workers who compete with immigrants, many of those being low-skilled Americans—sending a roughly $500 billion check annually to the winners. Those winners are primarily their employers. And the immigrants themselves come out ahead, too. Put bluntly, immigration turns out to be just another income redistribution program.

Once we understand immigration this way, it’s clear why the issue splits Americans—why many low-skilled native workers are taking one side, and why immigrants and businesses are taking another. Our immigration policy—any immigration policy—is ultimately not just a statement about how much we care about immigrants, but how much we care about one particular group of natives over another.
politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216

forgot to mention that this only applies to countries that have very strict, or non-existent welfare systems, that encourage the imported workers to just leech.

So in Scandinavian countries, importing these low-skilled immigrants is a huge net loss, even on GDP.

GDP is irrelevant. Of course it will increase GDP. They have a higher MPC, being low earners, and are unburdened by previous debt. Even if not a single fucking one of them gets a job, just confiscating citizens assets and throwing cash at the migs will increase the GDP.

It's not irrelevant, since GDP is what these people use to rationalize importing these people. Doesn't make it right, since it comes at the cost of shitting on the native population, but it is technically correct to say that it boosts "the economy".

The unfortunate truth

Yes, it is. It's irrelevant to the economic well-being of a nation. It's a non-argument and that should be brought up when someone attempts to defend immigration by mentioning GDP. It only measures the economic weight the state can throw around, with no regard to its citizens' welfare. Choosing to use that substandard measure is either arguing in bad faith, or presupposing that the people exist to serve the state.

Illegals are what runs the grey economy, which is one of the things that even the Finnish officials are fighting. The illegals do not pay taxes like citizens do or do their employers pay taxes for using the illegals. Illegals reduce the pay that citizens get so that their employers could compete with employers of the illegals and it also takes away jobs. Some illegals who don't find a job become criminals and cause direct and indirect costs to the taxpayers. And I am pretty sure that there are services that the taxpayers finance that the illegals use.

In short, illegals might be great for a few companies, but a net loss for the society.

So the 10 usual morons are raiding an ocean of piss.. Pathetic. Fingolian, you are really the most untalented of them all, like always

No, they bring down the cost of fruit and potatoes.

Through what mechanism do you suppose that happens? Do they magically crap out ripe fucking fruits like a hen lays eggs?

They work for next to nothing.

By depressing wages, yes. Just like I said, you stupid shit.

^ this

raise the obvious point that supporting illegal immigration is basically corruption, and treasonous if they are able to vote for more policies that will let them bring more of their family in at the expense of the native people

do they get welfare? in America they do.

do they actually work? in Germany and elsewhere they don't.

If diversity is so great then why can't it's benefits be quantified in ways that aren't pure feelings or lies?

watch some Jared Taylor from American Renaissance too.

Who's wages are they depressing? The only people they're competing with are other illegals. Trailer trash working at McDonalds and Walmart are unaffected by Mexicans working on the black market. The only thing that changes is I can get tasty grapes for cheap.

>Some illegals who don't find a job become criminals and cause direct and indirect costs to the taxpayers.
they already do, large cities in the US are now experiencing massive infrastructure problems because the infrastructure budget is set according to the population and according to our (((based friends))) these 12+ million illegal mexicans do not exist.

do you know that HF transformers (the really important kind that you absolutely need) are very rare, very expensive, and have to be custom made according to the specifications of each site? do you know that if two or three were taken out, the entire US would have a nearly instant, devastating power outage? do you know that there are approximately one to two HF transformers in reserve at any given time? do you know that the nearest bodies capable of producing new HF transformers in the event of a power outage are in Canada and Europe?

do you know that the reasoning for pretending that HF transformers are not a problem is driven mostly by there not being enough money in the infrastructure budget to pay for critical spares?
>And I am pretty sure that there are services that the taxpayers finance that the illegals use.
The hospitals, the police, schools...

construction workers for one

not to mention they have kids who are born american citizens and further shit up the country

>Trailer trash working at McDonalds and Walmart are unaffected by Mexicans working on the black market.
have you ever worked in IT? there are millions of H-1B workers that will gladly use their "expert python/c/software engineer skills" they picked up during a 4 week poo in loo course in computer science to do most of the work you do, but way more horribly and at the absolute minimum rate they can be paid. trump is trying to make it better by elevating the minimum pay of H-1Bs, but it's still a problem since even 100k p/a in California will put you in poverty, and the H-1Bs are "replacing" a limited number of engineers who should be getting paid at least 200k p/a.

>European country with best education
>Falls to immigrants felony

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We're talking about illegals, pal.

Really? It can't be that bad. I live in Oregon and there's a lot of illegals here as farm hands, but I've never heard of them doing more legitimate work like construction even though I have friends with construction jobs.

I don't care about those low skill Americans anyway. If you're competing with skill-less Mexicans who can't even speak English then you deserve to get fucked. How do you not even have a GED? Seriously, those pieces of trash can get fucked and eat some gravel; Mexicans motivated to trek through the desert to get a better life are better than fat retards too stupid and lazy to accept a free diploma. This country should go brown and the best of us will be motivated to go elsewhere. All of the white shit of America should get conquested by Islamic beaners.

>I don't care about those low skill Americans anyway
>sucking mexican dick

you sound like a huge faggot t b h

Japan is actually a terrible example.

t. economy pro

>We're talking about illegals, pal.
yeah, and i'm pointing out that allowing cheap, lower class people to work will fuck up the standard of employment. if the Mexicans weren't picking grapes, there would be millions of Americans employed in the agricultural industry.

>If you're competing with skill-less Mexicans who can't even speak English then you deserve to get fucked.
you can say the same thing about competing with Indians.

And the answer is in literally every industry they provide any "benefits" since the only mechanism through which you proposed they can be of any benefit whatsoever being the fact that they depress wages by working for pennies.

So the only positive you can claim is that they take a huge, wet shit on people's wages, and that's not going into the fiscal impact of their presence as low-income earners and tax evaders that use public property and programs.

how in the fuck are illegals a benefit to anything?

we have legal immigration for a reason. to make sure worthy people get in who arent goign to be parasites on the social welfare system and to scan for criminal history. there is literally no reason to rubber stamp illegal immigration as "a benefit" unless you are trying to circumvent the legal process

So your teacher is in favor of modern day slavery in the USA? Is she in favor of women and girls being raped while traveling over the border? Is she ok with spitting in the face of legal immigrants that played by the rules?

Tell her you feel sorry for her and her evil, degenerate ways.

They pushed young students out of those jobs. They also force whites towards harder jobs, so they can get fleeced in taxes to pay for the illegal's welfare, taxes that the illegals do not pay. In sum, you earn less and work harder, so that some rich dudes can pay half the salary to illegals, because illegals get the rest from subsides and welfare paid with your money.

No she is an idiot that listens to NPR and watches CNN. The RINO republicans want them for cheap labor, chamber of commerce pays their bills (elections). Democrats want them for votes and because every 10 years they have to fill the well. They need to replace and replenish the permanent underclass to ensure votes and hispanics will vote for a communist anytime there is free shit.

As far as the billion dollar drain you were right. And they will always ask "where did you get that fox news?" Where did you get that "george bush?". Start reading, memorize stats from the US government, it only takes a hand full to win any argument with a liberal. Gun death stats, welfare stats, after a few of them they are so pissed off that you can almost see the smoke come out of their ears.

How?

Product of public school reporting in. Take it from me that the smart kids in your graduating class don't become teachers. Teaching public school in the US is a temporary thing young people do after college or as a fallback to make ends meet. As you mature into adulthood you'll see this and you'll be overcome by a wave of nostalgic epiphany. So many questions will be answered.

As far as the subject at hand, the distinction between lawful and illegal immigration has begun to fade out of the public debate. It's a fucking shame.

>"...we need more young people."
Many western nations are indeed set for a demographic inversion. There really aren't any negative social consequences of an aging population. But it's the public sector spending that will be squeezed by this inversion. There simply won't be enough taxpayers to support the generous welfare states so many western nations employ. This is the negative consequence of that inversion that is so frequently spoken of.

Of course the solution isn't to flood your nation with millions of 3rd world, functionally illiterate, war-scared (in many cases) migrants whose cultural values are largely incompatible with those of the West. The solution is to begin a transformation of those welfare states that will shrink those public sectors by altering how those services are delivered as well as a mix of privatization to a point where they won't implode.

stone her

>there would be millions employed in the agricultural industry
Spoiled Americans don't want to work in the fields. When there aren't enough Mexicans to go around, crops rot on the ground. Georgia alone lost about a billion dollars last year because it simply wasn't economically viable to pay Amerifats to get off the couch and pick onions.

Rape her and drink her blood. Probable

There might be a net-growth in certain circumstances because you will have more people to tax but the people in the society who are gonna take the big hit for illegal immigration are always the lower class.

Their taxes are gonna get raised to unreasonable account for housing, healthcare, legal costs for people who aren't supposed to be there in the first place. The lower class is also going to have to compete for the jobs that these illegals occupy.

She sounds like a fucking cunt either way.

I have a prediction that Europe is about to take a big conservative turn politically and the arrival of all of these "refugees" and migrants are going to be the cause of it. People won't want to see their tax money being transferred to 4th generation "Europeans" who refuse to assimilate. Socialism is on it's way out in Europe.

Should have brought up Soros and the Clinton Foundation, teaching lady would be BTFO.

Bitch please. We will replace Mexicans the same way we replaced niggers. And, if we build the machinery here we will give Americans jobs doing it.

So why aren't you all having more kids? Like, 4-5 each mating pair.
Leave the immigrants no room to come in.

Check out how the people most adversely affected by illegal immigrants is the black community. Make it real heartfelt and liberal like. Explain how illegal immigration is basically just slave labor. "Well someone has to pick the fruit you won't do it for no pay." "Well SOMEONE has to pick the cotton you won't do it for nothing." etc. This is an easy one.

>I don't care about those low skill Americans anyway
Get out.

>where did you learn that
So where did you learn that, Finn?
Did you tell her, or just sit there like a dummy?

The burden of proof was on her for naking those claims. Bever voluntarily take the burden of proof on yourself by making a counter claim, but instead ask for proof

Illegal immigrants are only good for capitalists who want cheap labor and democrats who want eventual votes. They are bad in every other single way.

Sorry for the typos I'm phone posting outside in the cold

>we have no culture
Tell her human rights are a part of your culture unlike in Muslim nations, and if she doesn't like it, she should move to a country where women get stoned to death for getting raped.

>sweetie
holy fucking cow, kys

Ask why she is not making babies? Tell her about how multiculturalism creates distrust amongst communities, disrupts social and democratic consensus in ways that only international banks and corporations benefit from at the expense of everyone as a whole. Tell her the real estate and stock market is a ponzi scheme that will collapse eventually no matter what with the adoption of cryptocurrency

Yes immigration is good for the economy, but a good economy doesn't mean a good nation. India is like the worlds 3rd or 4th biggest economy and they're still on the fence about indoor plumbing.
Furthermore, she's probably a leftist so you can argue that only the 1% will benefit while the wprkong class must deal with the negative effects of mass immigraton

Immigrants are a huge boon to (((big business))), the cost to the working taxpayer are never taken into consideration, especially by the GOP. They will scream from the top of their lungs about the cost of illegal immigration, then approve a billion more work visas for Indians and Mexicans to come do American jobs for less. At least the democrats want to give the good ones a path to citizenship so they will pay taxes like everyone else.

Checked, however, H1-B visas have been getting scrutinized and even outright rejected more in this admin. I have hope.
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