How badly is piracy hurting anime? are there any concrete numbers?

How badly is piracy hurting anime? are there any concrete numbers?

>something you can watch on tv for free
>piracy
Might as well complain about anything that lets you record tv shows.

2 is a concrete number.

It's even helping anime, a lot of people I know that buy merch pirate their anime and wouldn't even know what anime is if shitty pirate sites like kissanime didn't exist

People don't buy anime because it's their only means of watching it.

both Anime and TV series use DVD/Blu-ray sales as a source of income.

Also, Some TV series (the good ones) only exist on paid cable, Netflix or some other form paid media. Dont know how it is in Japan but this is basically what Crunchyroll is.

so yes, I'd say anime piracy does have some effect.

dont steal cable

TV stations license the anime which goes to pay for anime production. If people aren't watching anime from TV, then TV companies don't license anime shows. If TV companies don't license anime shows, then anime industry is hurt as a result.

Just because you watch something on TV doesn't mean its free. You are paying the TV companies with your attention and by consuming advertisement.

Barely

If everyone paid $35 per 2 episodes for every anime they watched on BluRay, the industry's owners would be nine hundred thousand gorillion dollars richer.

It's basically like, turn everyone's internet access off now to stop all that crime.

piracy outside japan does nothing

Piracy may certainly hurt the entertainment industry, but if they are smart, they will just adapt to it with new innovative ideas.
Since everyone likes to watch shit on their computer nowadays, they came up with services like Netflix and Crunchyroll.
Normies will continue to pay for anime/entertainment that way, partly because of laziness (too lazy to find HQ torrents), and partly because of a misguided sense of morality? (if i don't pay for it, Mr Shekelberg can't afford a new Ferrari!).
The amount of people pirating is actually fairly small, and chances are they wouldn't pay for it even if piracy wasn't an option

TV ratings are calculated from selected representative group of people that use special TV equipment to watch TV and they doing it for exchange of free TV and\or some money. I doubt that torrents affect those ratings much considering they watch for free anyway.

yeah but not everyone who watches anime buys the BD. some are content with just TV airing. and others wont pay that much for anime.

I probably should've phrased the question better, are there any concrete numbers on how prevalent anime piracy is? (and from that we can make guess work on how much money is lost assuming some percentage will actually buy it if theres no free alternative)

Wont piracy hurt companies that redistribute it like Crunchyroll and thus, by proxy, hurt the industry in Japan?

Piracy/torrents have completely nullified commercial Anime viability in western world. Instead, former pirates have resorted to create a consortium for the mass of streamers(crunchyshit). This pay out to anime industry is very minimal however its still better than nothing.

It definitely hurts compared to a traditional model, but its a plus compared to full on piracy mode.

For late night anime it's the opposite. The anime production committee pays the TV station to air it.

>2ch blames us for low sales and being filthy pirates
>any japanese raw, untranslated game, or porn has mostly japanese IPs
What do they mean by this?

And almost no one pays $550+ per picture and site in standard editorial licensing fees to animu images the image licensing company either.

This Chinese cartoon board alone looses the industry another nine thousand gorillion dollars.

> are there any concrete numbers on how prevalent anime piracy is
In relation to what, purchases? Random bitorrent trackers have easily >100 times more downloads on their tracker alone than there were DVD/BluRay or such sales.

No fucking clue how it comparses to legal watching on TV stations.

Maybe a third to half of the business model for anime is being promotion materials to sell merchandise to the most excited fans, and it's probably more money than individually selling the actual episodes themselves makes.

Wait, isn't isn't usually TV stations are paid to show anime? They won't show it for free it's not mainstream enough to bring ratings. So they are paid minimum fare to show anime show at some late night timeslot.

Private property is a spook. You're free to take whatever you want as long as nobody can keep you from doing so.

Wold you pay $35 per 2 episodes for much of the anime you watched this season?

Don't you run the risk of getting killed or raped if no one plays by the rules?

Rise of high quality HDTV torrents pretty much killed emerging licensed anime companies in russia. No one would buy DVDs if pirated TV rip have better or comparable quality. And licensing and making BD costs more and were less popular back then

Remember that the Keijo!!!!!!!! anime was killed by the Japanese and foreign positive reception of the anime could have kept the manga going, but it didn't happen.

Japan has really shot itself in the foot by refusing to expand their market properly

Truly, communism is what we all need.

There is no causality between getting killed or raped and pirating anime. Contrary to what Kant might want you to believe you can easily adhere to some rules and completely ignore others. The one is not tied to the other.

Nope, certainly not. Even $7 / month for a partial selection of the market isn't interesting.

If it was $10 / month + pay what you want to individual series kickstarter / patreon-style for the whole manga anime hentai market, then probably that'd work.

What do you suggest. For japan to translate anime for dirty gaijins? I doubt foreigners will buy enough 35$ per 2 episodes BDs to cover translator expenses.

>How badly is piracy hurting anime? are there any concrete numbers?
>concrete numbers
SiO2 21.9%
Al2O3 6.9%
Fe2O3 3%
CaO 63%
MgO 2.5%
SO3 1.7%
This is the correct percentage of ingredients for concrete, hopefully these concrete numbers will help you.

I am sorry Japan.

When you can easily ignore laws, others can do the same too.

So anime is for hipsters in japan?

>so yes, I'd say anime piracy does have some effect.
on increasing awareness and sales

Indeed. And your point is?

If the rule itself kept people from doing certain things we wouldn't need prisons.

Remember that the author himself wanted to end it, and what you're spouting are troll translations.

Nothing. It actually helps.

Who the fuck buys a BD version without having watched it first for free?

who the fuck buys a BD after getting it for free?

There is a vastly bigger risk that people ignore / resist ideas that seem unjust and not something society should grant.

Like large bits of those intellectual property laws.

We should just formally overturn them entirely for noncommercial use like the internet has practically speaking already done, but then usually of course the paid lobbyists show up when you try that.

I do. Sometimes anyway. I like having a physical collection. Bonus features are all right sometimes too.

I bought it for the physical copies and all the collectibles you usually get for it.

For kids and crazy little girl murderers

I did bought anime/manga/games many times after trying it out for free and loving it.

I would've never even started watching it had I not had easy access to it in the first place. Now I've got a room filled with source material, figures and gunpla.

What do you think
>nobody can keep you from doing so
means user?

No one exist but I? A solipsist position?

I'm the strongest, thus the weak must fear the strong?

But thats wrong user.

Don't the troubles and costs of localization already make selling anime in the West already mean that most studios just sell distribution rights to Funimation and the like?

> Dont know how it is in Japan
Okay bud, why did you even bother to spew your ignorant garbage even when you know you don't know shit.

How much companies like Funimation can give the anime companies depend on how strong the market is.

If the market is strong, the anime companies will ask for lot more money. If this market is weak, then they will accept scraps (crunchyshit).

Its more about the fact they can't be arsed to, and American companies popped up doing their job in the 90s.

>if i don't pay for it, Mr Shekelberg can't afford a new Ferrari!)

Lel 4chinz. Barron Jewberg has little to do with animu. You're hurting the noble Japanese race and dedicated animators who get paid only a pittance per hour But seriously get jews out of the banks and take the media away from them

It's mainly the troubles over the costs otherwise localization companies wouldn't be able to exist even with their low profits. Nips may work 15 hour days but most of that time the salarymen are getting handies at a soapland with their boss. That's super hyperbolic and not representative of the production process of anime but is for the guys that get paid to manipulate data for a living over making a product.

Piracy can only hurt anime in the way healthy people hurt the healthcare industry. Not the consumers' fault the industry can't adapt to a post-internet market.

As for how much more money the industry would make if piracy were not a thing, that's a negative quantity. Anime wouldn't be shit internationally without piracy.

Considering the anime industry as whole, globally, has experienced double digit industry growth in the past 2 years and is bigger than it has ever been in any objective quantifiable way I'd say piracy ain't doing shit.

The idea that piracy hurts sales is a fucking myth, generally less than 1% of any given media actually pirates stuff and of that small amount of people most of them would not have bought the thing anyway and some small portion of pirates actually buy the thing they pirate after they pirate it if they like it enough. If anything piracy is just free advertising

If I had to pay for anime I wouldn't have started watching it in the first place.
And now I am buying books, artbooks and DVDs.
So what about piracy being the arch evil of every media?

This, piracy opens up new markets and industries. You think anime would be as big as it is in the West if it wasn't for free streaming? The whole reason Netflix and Spotify exists is as a direct response to piracy too

99.99% of people who pirate anime wouldnt buy it even if they couldnt pirate

It was partly mentioned in the thread already but besides licensing for the show, "free" tv stations aren't actually free, they just generate revenue in other ways than paying for the channel. For paid channels you pay the premium up front usually in a package deal from your cable company for HD content, no ads or movies. For free channels you likely pay for what you're watching in ads, which usually take up about 1/3 of the time slot for each episode. For example anime is usually around 24 minutes, so for every 30 minute time slot that's 6 minutes worth of ads the TV company is assuming you're watching and generating revenue from the companies hosting their ads on the channel.

As far as piracy and anime goes, it's probably too small of an industry to actually matter. Of the already small japanese market, the west is an even smaller market which crunchy/amazon pretty much has by the balls. Most of the shows are just scooped up by simulcasters for pennies and any money they make from people paying for their services barely makes it back to the producers, let alone the animators. As always the best way to support the industry is to buy BDs or figs directly. In my opinion the exposure people get to series they might like through piracy might incite them to buy goods which in turn would support the industry more than paying for jew services like crunchy.

To answer your question directly:
Piracy involves the theft of largely intangible property. The only current methods of tracking it cost more to implement than they save, so there are very few hard numbers.

The whole irony for me is that I probably wouldn't have bought merchandise to support the creators if I haven't actually felt guilty for pirating the material.

>being this much of a pussy

Guilt has nothing to do with fear. If I was a pussy I would be streaming my anime instead of torrenting or not even consuming anime at all. Nice dig though. I'm mildly upset.

Not at all
At least outside of Japan
All those LNs only get released in the west because people download their animu for free

This will never happen, but I wish studios did in-house English subtitling so we could directly buy BDs from them. Paying Funimation who pays the studio once for a lifetime licensing deal hardly seems like a way to support the industry.

>A person feeling guilty in general, sometimes allegedly because of small things and sometimes without knowing why, may have been indoctrinated into feeling constant guilt by a violent social environment. Their guilt is likely deeply connected to their fear of other people's judgment and rejection.

Guilt is a complicated feeling and it's root is fear.

>(if i don't pay for it, Mr Shekelberg can't afford a new Ferrari!).
I never really got how stupid people can think like this.
>Someone makes service, you pay for service, someone makes more service
>durr no one should pay for service because dat just helps da joos. I'm entitled to other people's labors for free like communism only don't call it that because ess jay dubyas like that and they're joos and I fight da jews

>All those LNs only get released in the west because people download their animu for free
This, pretty much every manga and LN that gets released in the english speaking market is because it first acquired some popularity online that it would never have gotten were it not freely accessible.

he's saying that you're not actually supporting the industry. you're paying the people who pay the creators once to sell their anime in the west forever

>Normies

Considering the legal methods of watching Anime (excluding buying BDs) give the creators very little money there's not much impact.

Piracy killed anime studios forcing shitty moebait shows into existence pandering to Japanese virgins who buy merchandise and fan service.

Thats all its been for 14 years.

There wouldn't even be a western market for anime without piracy. We only know about it because for years fans translated and distributed anime via VHS and online.

99% of people who buy anime wouldn't buy it if they couldn't pirate

>There are only three emotions and that is happiness, sadness, and fear.
I've heard this shit before but it is an oversimplification of the complex nature of how our brain works when it comes to emotion. You can slippery slope almost anything to anything else with oversimplifications. There is no color purple for example even though it can be classified as a distinct color but you would take the tack that there is only red, blue, and yellow.

What's hurting anime is the greedy corporations who don't pay animators enough.

i'm hurting the anime industry.

>there will never be an anime set in the girl's school Stirner taught at

You are still a fucking pussy for buying shit out of guilt. Might as well hang yourself for wasting perfectly fine air.

>he's saying that you're not actually supporting the industry. you're paying the people who pay the creators once to sell their anime in the west forever
>You're paying the people who are paying the creators! That doesn't help the creator at all! the industry will survive without the creator being paid
A...are you kidding me? You pay these services so they pay the creator so the creator has more money to make more. how do you think A-1 can rapid fire out so much bad anime? because people actually buy their shit in japan and the west. meanwhile good anime is pushed further to the background because people with good taste are either too stupid or too poor to actually support the industry. Also you have to renew licenses when you're selling an anime. Meaning if funimation gets a cash cow they can keep paying that creator to publish the cash cow in the west.

You spend your memorial day picking fights with strangers on the internet while I'm about to fire up the grill and cook up some ribeyes and burgers. Which one of us is the more valuable person? I'll answer it for you: it's not you faggoid.

What the fuck is the giant dot supposed to be on Stirner's forehead?

>paying a licensing company whose revenue trickles down to the anime creators
>paying an anime studio for BDs directly
you tell me which supports the anime industry more, user. you're supporting the licensing industry. I'll give it to you that buying licensed shit in the west is the only legal way EOPs can show support, but the returns to the studios are far less than they would be if we just bought directly from them.

If you can't obtain a BD then watching from a subscription service is the second best bet. more over say you're not a particular super fan and would much rather just casually watch it, it still supports the creator to watch it on a streaming service. Are you seriously going to argue that paying nothing is better than paying them indirectly? cause if so you have a very warped view of the market.

His temple. He's pretty highbrow

>apologetic pussy burger
This shit gets better with every post!

>Normies
>HQ torrents
>being a retard

And you thought nobody would notice.

i should go fight a veteran as well

I've always thought it stupid that there are two crimes with the same name.

Anime producers who are selling anime discs and anime music are being hurt by piracy.

But then again, creating an industry that is utterly reliant on 100k to 250k uber-autistic anime otaku who stay up at night to watch nip cartoons for teenagers, of which at best only a tenth of them even tends to buy the anime that they produce every 4 months was a daft business decision in the first place.

They living a dream

Hipsters called Otaku.

It's good for them if it gets people to buy merch

It's obviously those filthy gaijin english teachers

Watch little watch academia on Netflix and recommend it to everyone if you want to support a healthier business model for anime.

>Crunchyroll

Fuck crunchyroll.

It isn't.
It's helping.
How many of you would be watching anime right now if it wasn't for piracy.

>gives money to the Americans
>thinks he helps the Japanese
Every time.

Why don't they just put it on youtube or something for free? They would also benefit from ad revenue.

If animu torrent sites had links to donate to both fansubbers and the creators studio I wouldn't mind donating $1 per episode with 0.10 to fansubber. It's just that pirating is a better and faster service with no ad bullshit

A lot of anime does stream these days, but you get more people watching TV