Space exploration

Lets talk about space exploration and chalenges we have to surpass
No flatards shills allowed

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I can't think of a bigger waste of money.

>I can't think of a bigger waste of money.
Really? Most Amerifats would say climate hoax is a bigger waste.

First we have to figure out how to get through the firmament.

Underage redditors will shit on you with le epic maymays about le flat aethers lmao top keks. And captcha hell makes posting a pain for the less retarded posters. Goodluck, OP.

A real tragedy would be to find out that we had space-bending technology to traverse the universe at FTL speeds but people like this exist to impede it:

>I can't think

>Ameria existance was only possible though exploration, are u being hipocrit?
> there are asteroid that are worth trilions that could be self suficient to expand

kill

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self

>big waste of money
Let's be honest. When a dozen or so countries have already nuclear capability and it's probably likely that some shithole country like Congo gets its own arsenal within a decade we're pretty much sitting on a rock destined to get glassed by 2030.
Space exploration is the only viable way we have to allow some functional humans not to share the destiny with a planet covered in shitholes.

Until proper propulsion is invented, no reason to explore space.
I also think the human body is not made to spend extended periods in space.

It's flat faggot.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHA THIS NIGGER ACTUALLY THINKS THE WORLD IS FLAT HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH

>"proper propulsion"
You are watching too much ufo vids about magic brooms. Reality works differently from movies and schizo delusions.

With the exception of the technology that was created to get us into space, what science or technological breakthrough has been made as a direct result of being IN space?
Dreams of colonizing anything outside of our atmosphere is a meme dream at best. It will never happen, nor is there a need for it to happen.

did you account tunnel perpective calculations? Please present the math or scientific paper otherwise its a bad source

You get it Finn.
youtube.com/watch?v=s6BQSgidbmc

So you think we are capped technologically when it comes to propulsion?

As long as the push for Female Superemacy and other forms of Identiy Politics is pushed into the forefront of debate and social interactions, the public, along with Governments around the World, will keep Space Exploration on the back burner. Everyone's just too damn obsessed with frivolous shit to care about anything outside of themselves, let alone outside of Earth.

Don't expect Worlds like Mars to be visited until Identity Politics and Feminism recedes again.

You mean, no reason for biologic parts on a space exploration mission.

unironically total fucking brainlet post

It is already possible to build a space elevator:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qezLhypA0Y

The key idea is the Orbital Ring version of the space elevator, not the geosynchronous tether concept you are familiar with.

See, for example, Paul Birch's writings:

www.orionsarm.com/fm_store/OrbitalRings-I.pdf

The orbital ring only requires tethers about 300 kilometers long which is technically feasible with common material like steel, but ridiculously straightforward with better and already available material like kevlar.

Satellites and all that come with it. GPS, telecoms, weather observation etc

You clearly don’t know much about space exploration if you don’t know what it’s already given us.

There are some important questions. First, how much would it cost to do something like this?

We need to send about 160 million kilograms of material into space (See Birch's boot strap estimates in part 2: www.orionsarm.com/fm_store/OrbitalRings-II.pdf )

We have rockets available at $2000/kg costs to LEO today in "mass production" mode, which is only about 10-20 launches per year. Compared with the couple thousand launches necessary for a space elevator, $2000 is an unreasonably high upper bound for launch costs.

We also need to include the cost of materials. A space elevator is about 98% steel and aluminum, 1% kevlar, and 1% other such as superconducting magnets. Most of the mass (98%) cost around $1/kg, with an average cost per kilogram of no more than about $10 per kilogram.

Summing the above up, we get about $430 billion in launch costs plus another $1-2 billion in material costs.

In other words, we can have a space elevator for less than $450 billion - significantly less than one year worth of DoD spending, one bank bailout, many times less than a variety of pointless wars, etc. This is well within our reach financially in other words.

What do we get in return for this $450 billion investment?

Virtually unlimited value. For example, with a space elevator we can reliably launch our nuclear waste into the sun. We've spent $100 billion building a waste repository in Nevada, but it was ultimately decided not to even use it. Now it costs only a dollar or two per kilogram to get rid of all of the nuclear waste in the world.

Second, we have immediate access to viable asteroid mining industry. Because the cost of delivering payloads to LEO drops to about $1/kilogram, we can not retrieve asteroids with trillions of dollars worth of minerals for mere tens millions of dollars in addition to having an easy viable way of returning those resources back to the surface.

We acquire the ability to deploy profitable solar power in orbit above cloud cover and with the ability to return said power back to the surface with near zero loss by running power transmission cables down the elevator.

Just how profitable?

With increased luminosity in space, enhanced exposure time, and the ability to deliver base loads, solar panels pay for themselves in only 1-2 years while having a 20 year life time.

In other words, if you put $5 trillion of solar panels into space, you get your $5 trillion back by the end of year two and a $5 trillion income stream each year thereafter.

In other words, the US could cut everyone's taxes, both personal and business, income, capital, death, or otherwise, all to 0%, not even cut any benefits or current spending, and pay off the national debt within a decade.

Yes
Humans/Animals can't survive in space for periods long enough to take them to places like Mars.
So unless we discover a new form of propulsion, it becomes a waste of money.

Yes.

It should already be obvious that the entirety of the political debate spectrum is cointelpro.

Are taxes too high or too low? Irrelevant, we don't actually need taxes.

Is social spending bankrupting us? Irrelevant, we can retire the national debt without cutting spending all while having no tax whatsoever.

What does this have to do with taking the red pill?

We've had the technological ability to undertake such a project for decades.

That means all the squabbling you have heard your entire life, money, debt, spending, taxes, scarcity, whatever, is all bullshit. Not only is it bullshit, anyone with rudimentary knowledge of the world has known that it is all bullshit for all of this time.

In other words, once you come to understand the such a project is and has been technically feasible for decades, you have to reevaluate many things.

Why is there nothing of this in the conspiracy media? They are not really trying to expose or solve any problems. One hundred percent of it is cointelpro. From the Young Turks to Infowars or whatever, they are all completely full of shit because solutions to our problems not only exist, are easy to carry out, but this has been the case for a very long time.

Similarly, you now know that 20%+ annual GDP growth is possible. If Trump gives you 3-4% instead of Obama's 2%, he is simply working with the establishment to try to placate and subvert a rising tide. If we see the easily achievable 20%+ growth rates, it is at least possible that he isn't a subversive. Anything less and you know he is a fraud.

nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/news/15_ways_iss_benefits_earth

A space elevator is a waste of time and prone to environmental and social threats

It would be much easier to use rockets or build ships in space.

I am genuinely interested in knowing your opinion on this.

We can't explore shit until we find a way to go FTL.

wtf is a flatard ?
as someone working in the space industry i assure you its a waste of money.

>It is already possible to build a space elevator

You are correct. I want a space elevator.

Self-replicating robots will explore space, not humans. They'll just spread everywhere and first contact will be a terminator scouting for resources and gunning down aliens.

Troll more gently, friend.

"That's right goy, you shouldn't fulfill your cosmic birthright of expanding out into the universe because space isn't real! Stay on this ruined world forever! Good goy!"

Getting to Mars is easy. We have a couple of propulsion technologies that can get humans to Mars in just 6 weeks to 2 weeks, depending on which one is used.

As for going further, that gets challenging. We need a shelter from solar storms along the way, and the only working shelter we can make is mass. Which means "HEAVY" (massive) payloads. "HEAVY" (more mass) is bad for space craft because its that much more you have to accelerate and decelerate, slowing you down on changing your delta V.

After the problem of solar storm shelter, we have biological degradation due to exposure to micro-gravity. Your eyesight worsens, your bones turn into someone in their 80s, your heart gets very weak. The rest of it isn't a big deal, but those things are critical issues to be handled once you get back under constant G load.

>I also think the human body is not made to spend extended periods in space.

I also think that if man was intended to fly, he'd have wings.

>Getting to Mars is easy
nope.

>Implying a ring is stable in orbit.

The sudden popularity of the Flat Earth theory three years ago is a CIA psyop that is designed to hide the fact that Earth is actually hollow. This is a common technique that intelligence agencies use to deceive the masses (I call that technique 'conspiracy misdirection'): They promote a conspiracy theory that they KNOW is FALSE and want you to think you're red-pilled by believing that false conspiracy theory is TRUE while using that false conspiracy theory to hide a TRUE conspiracy theory related to it that has even MORE far-reaching implications than the false conspiracy theory. For example, the 'Moon landing hoax' conspiracy theory is being used to hide the TRUE conspiracy theory that we went to the Moon and found artificial objects there (or we knew there were artificial objects there all along and went to the Moon simply to bring some of those artificial objects back to Earth). The official account of the Moon landing AND the Moon landing hoax conspiracy theory are BOTH FALSE. NASA itself is covertly promoting the Moon landing hoax conspiracy theory. (end of part 1)

Until you get cheap Anti Gravity or efficient massless propulsion, a space elevator is the only way to cheaply get a great amount into orbit.

so space exploration would need better tech to be feasible. Especially when it comes to biological degradation

(start of part 2) Earth is hollow with polar openings that lead into its hollow interior. Outer Earth governments know about this, but are not telling the masses.
Daily reminder that there was supposed to be a voyage to the North Pole in 2007 to find out if there's an opening at the North Pole that leads into the Inner Earth World (and thus prove once and for all that Earth is hollow). The leader of the expedition was Steve Currey and he suddenly died from a brain tumour shortly before the expedition began so all of the money they got from people who were going to join the expedition was refunded. The new leader of the expedition was Brooks Agnew and the new expedition was meant to be in 2013, but shortly after THAT expedition was about to begin, his film crew suddenly vanished without a trace so THAT expedition was cancelled too (and, once again, the money they got from people who wanted to join their expedition was refunded). The expedition was/is known as the 'North Pole Inner Earth Expedition'. Here's a link to the official North Pole Inner Earth Expedition page:

x2-radio.com/phoenixsciencefoundation/npiee/index.html

Flat Earth theory = Reddit

Hollow Earth theory = Sup Forums

Also, Terry Smith was an Alaskan bush pilot associated with this expedition who agreed to fly directly over the North Pole to see if there was an opening there but he suddenly died in a plane crash on August 9 2010 before he could make that flight. NONE of these incidents are (((coincidences))). There is a world inside our world. (end of part 2)

(start of part 3) I unironically think that when we look for life on other planets that we're looking for life in the wrong place by looking only at the outer surfaces of those planets. I think of a planet as being like a house and houses are meant to be lived on the inside. We're living on the roof of our house and are at the mercy of the elements. It's probably rare as fuck for life to exist on the outer surfaces of planets. Alternatively, we can think of the inner surface of a planet as being like the 'womb' of that planet (which keeps us safe from things like asteroids and cosmic radiation), and that when a sapient species living on the inner surface of a planet becomes able to leave that planet, that species has become a spacefaring civilisation. Also, Valiant Thor (also known as 'Val Thor' for short) claimed that he came from Venus, but that he lived UNDERGROUND on Venus. That to me suggests that Venus (like every other planet, including Earth itself) is hollow. Also, Phil Schneider also said that the Val Thor story was true and (((they))) fucking killed Phil Schneider. (end of part 3)

(start of part 4) Check out this page for more information about Hollow Venus:

holloworbs.com/Venus.htm

Also, it seems as though Venus has binary openings (pic related). (end of part 4)

Yep. LANDING on Mars? Not so easy. But getting to mars is easy. At least for the USA, champions of getting to Mars and landing on Mars. For the rest of you scrubs, you are correct. It is a great challenge to reach Mars, let alone land on it.

space elevators on earth are not reasonably possible with any known or theoretical material .skyhooks are much more managable. also posting spaceship porn

youtube.com/watch?v=TlpFzn_Y-F0

I read an article a while back stating that humans who take a great many commercial flights in their lifetime tend to get embolisms and brain damage (jet lag is not benign apparently)

(start of part 5) You can't hide anything in a flat Earth because it's fucking flat, but you CAN hide an entire world and an entire civilisation and sapient species (I call them 'intraterrestrials') inside a hollow Earth. As someone who has intensely researched the Hollow Earth theory for almost a decade, there is a VAST amount of evidence for the Hollow Earth theory - scientific evidence, mathematical evidence and even evidence from many ancient myths in many different parts of the world in many different periods of time throughout human history. Consider this: How come the Hollow Earth theory almost NEVER gets mentioned as an alternative to the Mainstream Earth 'theory' (i.e. the theory that Earth is round and solid) by the mainstream media? The mainstream media is pushing the Mainstream Earth vs. Flat Earth narrative and pretty much NEVER mentioning the Hollow Earth theory. Does that not seem suspicious to you?

The Hollow Earth theory is reasonable not only in scientific terms, but also because of the fact that myths of underground worlds are almost as common as flood myths worldwide. Earth's hollowness changes everything we think we know about geology, geography, planetary formation, biology, human history, physics, etc. EVERYTHING - and THAT is why Earth's hollowness is being kept a secret from the masses. (end of part 5)

Cold spot in our universe is evidence of a collision from another universe.

Space exploration is feasible now, through robotics.

(start of part 6) Earth has a central 'sun'. Every planet has a central 'sun' (this is why Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune have auroras - just like Earth does). Leonhard Euler, the greatest mathematician of all time, advocated a Hollow Earth model that included a central 'sun'. A hollow Earth would have gravity in its interior. Earth's centre of gravity is NOT at Earth's centre (contrary to popular belief), but is instead in the centre of Earth's crust. This is why the people who live in the Inner Earth World (AKA Agartha) walk upside-down by our perspective here in the Outer Earth World. Furthermore, gravity is both attractive AND repulsive. The 'sun' at Earth's centre (which is actually a naturally occurring nuclear fission reaction) emits repulsive gravity, so that the people who live on Earth's inner surface don't get pulled into it. Celestial bodies are kept in stable orbits due to electromagnetic forces, not gravity. Furthermore, gravity is vastly weaker than electromagnetism. Also, Earth's inner surface has an upward-pointing curvature. This means that if you stood on the inner surface of Earth, you would actually see land in the sky. Pic related. (end of part 6)

>We need a shelter from solar storms along the way, and the only working shelter we can make is mass.

Somewhat relevant stuff in here.

clavius.org/envrad.html

muh anti gravity muh speed of light still falling for jew theory

(start of part 7) The space fakery shit from NASA doesn't discredit the Hollow Earth theory. I even admit that the space fakery shit from NASA is probably true, since I firmly believe in the existence of a secret space program (or possibly even multiple secret space programs), so (((they))) are probably faking shit when it comes to the public space program, but doing things for real when it comes to the secret space program(s). And I have no doubt that (((they))) airbrush out the holes at the poles in satellite photos of the poles. Think bigger and think outside the box.

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity..... anything you can imagine, we already know how to do." - Ben Rich, Lockheed Martin (end of part 7)

>Venus frog

Opinion on what? Your unspecified ideas on magical devices? I can't read minds and certainly not monkey ones so It's difficult to respond to what you might be thinking of. And people can most certainly survive the trip to Mars.

And you took that to mean that flying is dangerous and nobody should do it?

I agree. The human body can't take the rigors of prolonged space exploration.

>money is going to be spent anyway, and if you work on space technologies more money for your company, i dont see your logic

Based Pajeet! Yes, it is possible to move faster than the speed of light.

thats dark energy my senpai

poor, unemployable parasitic trumpcuck. kill yourself.

He was pretty clearly asking for a more detailed answer than "yes" to his question about whether you think we're "capped technologically when it comes to propulsion."

Reminder that Falcon Heavy static fire is today.

youtube.com/watch?v=er0WIOVmxdY&feature=youtu.be&t=60

(start of part 8) Earth is both honeycomb-like AND hollow. It doesn't have to be one or the other. It's both. Earth's crust is like Swiss cheese, with lots of vast holes all over the place with non-human entities living inside them. These holes are basically unique, enclosed ecosystems in and of themselves. Check out this page for more information about this:

holloworbs.com/cavern_worlds.htm (end of part 8)

No.
The human body is robust but has its limits.
Flight, deep diving, space = serious challenges that may be more difficult to overcome than tech issues.

The Norwegians made a movie about those welders that created the deep sea pipeline. All of them got brain damage thanks to a corrupt government and a corrupt american doctor.

Human body had a hard time with the rigors of extended sea voyages in the Age of Sail.

Technology got better, and ways were found to deal with the various issues.

Terrible arguments.

(start of part 9) The Hollowpill is the final frontier.

Flatpill = Blue pill

Hollowpill = Red pill

Flat Earth is about limitation and retarded shit like "Outer space doesn't exist." and "There were no dinosaurs.", whereas Hollow Earth is about unlimited possibilities.

We were NOT born too late to explore Earth, for there are STILL new lands for us to discover and colonise. Take the Hollowpill. Flat Earthers are gatekeepers of the reality of Earth's hollowness. The 'hollow planets' model means that there are TWICE as many planets for us to explore, conquer and colonise, because each planet has TWO surfaces to live on - an outer surface AND an inner surface! (end of part 9)

i've wondered why there hasn't been any interest in a hastol system. what's the drawback? i read the study and it seems pretty legit.

(start of part 10) The (((Flat Earth theory))) teaches us that we should ALWAYS TRUST our five senses ("My eyes are telling me that Earth is flat, so Earth MUST be flat!"). The (((Flat Earth theory))) teaches us that EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS EXACTLY AS IT SEEMS. What we call 'reality' is illusory and therefore malleable, which means that nothing is impossible. There are two 'realities' going on side by side in this world, the one that the masses think is 'real' (what I call 'Movie Screen Earth') because (((certain people))) tell them it's 'real' and the one that is actually 'real'. The one that is actually 'real' is SO UNBELIEVABLY DIFFERENT to the one that the masses think is 'real' that it would make your head spin. The sky is not blue, nothing is solid because atoms are made of empty space, everything is always moving (including the ground that you walk on) and nothing ever touches anything because an atom can never touch any other atom due to electrical forces repelling them. Your feet never touch the ground. Also, the picture I've just posted is NOT yellow - it's red and green. If (((they))) can trick you into thinking that red and green is yellow, think of the other ways that (((they))) can trick you. Your brain and your senses deceive you. Nothing is EVER as it seems and appearances are ALWAYS deceptive! We owe it to our innate intelligence to QUESTION EVERYTHING and that INCLUDES EVERYTHING that I tell you! (end of part 10)

Sure.
But to this say, deep divers have limitations. The guiness record holder for a deep sea diver = 3 months. Dude has brittle bone disease...when he came up, his bones started to turn to dust.
No amount of tech can counter that

Checked

I know NASA insider earth is totally flat OP

(start of part 11) The thing is this, you ask people "How do you know X?" and they'll probably reply by saying something like "Well, because it's in my science books." or "Well, because it's been peer-reviewed." or "Well, because it's been agreed upon by a majority of scientists.", but these are flimsy defences, because unless YOU can verify for yourself whether something is true or not either by OBSERVATION or by doing an experiment about it BY YOURSELF, you are relying essentially on external sources for your information and it is naïve to think that those sources don't have agendas.
What people call 'mainstream science' has been hijacked by politics, religion and corporations. So-called 'peer review' these days is usually nothing more than a circle-jerk. Just as people support the separation of church and state (and RIGHTFULLY so), I support the separation of SCIENCE and state. We owe it to our innate intelligence to QUESTION EVERYTHING and that INCLUDES EVERYTHING that I tell you! (end of part 11)

They're that way because you can't represent the entire Earth at once without doing that, retard. They'd rather use a retarded projection than have to show some countries and hide others.

(start of part 12) Every planet, moon and star in the universe is hollow and expanding, this means that so-called 'gaseous planets' and stars actually have solid surfaces (even if their atmospheres are extremely thick). Moons become planets and planets become stars. Planets 'give birth' to moons and stars 'give birth' to planets. If the Sun were to 'give birth' to a new planet today (for example), that new planet would occupy Mercury's orbit, which would cause Mercury to occupy Venus's orbit, which would cause Venus to occupy Earth's orbit, which would cause Earth to occupy Mars's orbit and so on. (end of part 12)

>No.

Good, I agree. Similarly, the issues involved in space travel, while more serious at this point in our learning about how to do it, are not an indication that it is inherently impossible.

>The human body is robust but has its limits.

OK.

>Flight, deep diving, space = serious challenges that may be more difficult to overcome than tech issues.

Wait, why is flight back on the list? Flight does NOT present challenges that cannot be overcome. The dangers of flying around the world are so minuscule as to be not worth thinking about. Now, before we learned how, and invented technology to cope with it, it would have been extremely dangerous. But we learned how to do it.

>The Norwegians made a movie about those welders that created the deep sea pipeline. All of them got brain damage thanks to a corrupt government and a corrupt american doctor.

OK, but the relevance is...what?

Since there are no good arguments for a flat Earth, the guy really has no choice but to post terrible ones.

(start of part 13) The truest conception of the structure of Earth is based on the idea that when it was in a molten state during its formation, centrifugal force caused the heavier substances to be thrown outward, toward its periphery, in the form of rocks and metals, to form its outer crust, leaving its interior hollow, with openings at the poles, where centrifugal force was less and where there was less tendency to throw materials outward, which was greater at the equator, causing the bulging of Earth in this region. It has been estimated that as a result of Earth's rotation on its axis during its formative state, polar depressions and openings thus formed would measure about 1,400 miles in diameter.

Some of the original fire and incandescent materials remained in the center of Earth to form a central 'sun', much smaller, of course, than our Sun, but capable of emitting light and supporting plant growth. We shall also see that the Aurora Borealis and Aurora Australis that illuminate the sky over the poles come from this central 'sun' whose rays shine through the polar openings. Thus, if Earth was originally a ball of fire and molten metal, some of this fire remained in its centre, while centrifugal force as a result of its rotation on its axis caused its solid matter to be thrown toward the surface, forming a solid crust and leaving its interior hollow, with a fiery ball in its centre, forming the central sun, which provides illumination for plant, animal and human life. (end)

>what is field of view

nice copypasta spam, this is meant to be a real discussion and real thinkers

the ship would have to spin to simulate gravity to keep muscle mass up. You need space for 160 people plus their future offspring, food production/animal breeding, work, leisure/personal space, etc. You would also need at least a 1/4 ratio of peacekeepers to civilians as this would be its own society that would need to govern its self. And then theres the problem of where are they going? The closest is 4 light years away.

The fastest space ship, the size of a piano, shot away from earth at 0.005% the speed of light or 36000 mph

my math isnt so good, so tell me how long it would take to travel 2.351e+13 miles at 36000 mph

>shilling this hard
jesus christ you people are freaks.

>Implying that Hollow Earth isn't real

Whatever you say, Poortugoy.

Flight at Mach speed still require body constriction (see fighter pilot suits)..that is why it is on the list.

Deep sea divers suffer brain damage and brittle bone disease, the toll on the human body is way beyond our capabilities at the moment.

1. different perspective and lens
2. the moon isnt in an orbit where its always as close to the earth. sometimes its closer than normal

please kill your self, this is the third thread i've seen you shilling in using that retarded (start of part x/end of part x) format

>north is always uphill

what the fuck is wrong with these people.

mutt.

>No amount of tech can counter that

"The Navy's nuclear-powered submarines can stay submerged for long periods of time. Air is isn't a problem as their make their own oxygen and keep the air clean. The limits on how long they can stay underwater are food and supplies. Submarines generally stock a 90-day supply of food, so they can spend three months underwater."

So some amount of technology apparently can, in fact, counter the problems with being underwater for three months.

thebalance.com/facts-about-navy-submarines-4058060

how is it flowing "uphill" on a globe? Wherever you stand on a globe if its flat ground, either way is logically downhill with respect to the curve.

We must follow the Golden Path to ensure mankind's survival

Answer is still "yes". We aren't even using our current technological capacity to the max as far as propulsion goes and there aren't any signs this will be changing in the near future. So chemical rocketry it is. Such is life.

>>shilling so hard
>irony

Fuck off faggot

I know you won't look at this, because it totally destroys your argument. But you see that? That's the columbus docking with the ISS. You know, the space station? Taken with a telescope. If you had a telescope you could look at all kinds of stuff in space.