Human kingdom politely asks for medical assistance from the elves to save the princess

>Human kingdom politely asks for medical assistance from the elves to save the princess
>Elves refuse because they're dicks.
>Humans keep trying to diplomacy, only to be ignored further.
>War breaks out
>Woooooow fucking humans why are they so baaad

Re:Monster.

Chaotic Neutral is not evil still.

If a rich guy refuses to give bread to a homeless man despite easily being able to pay for it, does that make the homeless guy justified in stealing his wallet?

No, but he really shouldn't be surprised that he became the victim of crime.

That doesn't make the homeless guy good, which is what the OP seems to be arguing:
>Woooooow fucking humans why are they so baaad

No, but it also doesn't make the rich man any less of an idiot for inciting the desperate to act against him.

If the homeless man was going to literally die without that loaf of bread then yeah. He's not asking for a kidney.

I'm not saying the elves are good people, I'm saying the OP is retarded for acting like it's okay to fight a war to steal shit that isn't yours regardless of how "mean" the owners are.

The thing is the manga treats the humans like they're at fault and tries to gloss over the fact that the main reason any of this happened is because they were refused medicine from the only source for no real reason besides "muh elven pride".

The TLed bits of the LN shed a bit more about that little bout.

>You're waifu is dying.
>The elves have the medicine to save her.
>They refuse to sell/trade/bargain for the medicine
Who wouldn't resort to force to save their waifu?

>please understand
Iwata was a goddamn elf?

I read it but I don't remember it because it was dull as fuck. What happened?

>man dying of thirst
>you have a bottle of a water
>he asks for some
>you say no
>he attacks you for it
>"wow what a dick"

He didn't die, he just went back.

Unless you're a communist, that should be an ok reason.

re:monster is such a shitshow that goes nowhere except going how great the MC is

You're in your right to refuse to help or bargain, sure, but don't be surprised when you get mugged.

Again, I am not saying that the elves shouldn't have expected something like that, but it doesn't make the humans morally correct, which is what the OP is arguing. Like, if you walk down a dark alley and get mugged and beaten, does that mean the police shouldn't help you just because you were being stupid?

>which is what the OP is arguing.
No he isn't.
The problem is the manga tries to paint the humans as being at fault here with some bullshit about how fighting the elves was a lucrative enterprise and some "wow humans suck" wankery, but at the end of the day the humans tried diplomatic means several times before they justifiably resorted to force.

What's actually enjoyable about the series? MC is just going to get more and more broken and white wash all the bad shit he's doing, every girl gets wet for him, etc. No real conflict, just reasons to show off his powerlevel.

>What's actually enjoyable about the series?
The cute goblin girls and not much else.

>justifiably
It's understandable, but not justifiable, unless you think property rights shouldn't be a thing, in which case you can fuck off to /leftypol/.

It's not legal, but it's justifiable, in the sense that the law isn't always just.

And moreover, extenuating circumstances can and do reduce the gravity of the crime in the eyes of the law.

Survival has no morality, it is just survival. Same with justice.

Is this Re:monster? And here I was about to ask for sauce. As much as I admit the clashing of morality between two cultures would make for an interesting premise, the fact that it's that retarded series only means it will be used as an excuse for more conquering, drugging and rape.
Asians love powerleveling. That's it, I guess?

It's a case of a rich guy refusing to sell bread he have monopolized to another rich guy that needs it desperately in order for his country to survive, and after many tries to reach commercial and diplomatic solution only military solution left. Many wars started for lesser reasons.

>Knife ears being faggots
Typical

My nigga Ogakichi

He has a few deaths in his group and he does have tough battles.
He is still not powerful compared to the top tier gods which can kill him easily.

The strong make the law and write history, they are justified.

Its power fantasy at its fullest. If you want an MC that gets all the power, all the women, all the friends, etc. then its for you.
The prime example of the level of creativity behind it is that the MC had unexplained ophax super powers even before he was trucked into fantasy world so he wasn't a normal human to begin with. That's the level of thought that goes into the writing.

If he's so OP then why did he get shanked so easily by some not!childhood friend/acquaintance in one hit?

Those two examples are not parallel to each other this is more accurate.

>man dying of hunger
>you have 3 hamburgers
>he asks a hamburger
>you say no
>he attacks you for it and steal all your hamburgers
>you're now dying because of hunger and bleeding after being attacked
>"he's not wrong"

why are you dying of hunger if you've had food, had the supplies for three units of food, and yet didn't feel like you could part with one unit of food while retaining two

you're not dying of hunger, you're dying of baby tears because you wanted all three burgers

Can't you read it? He steals your 3 hamburgers

He let his guard down and he didn't abuse his eating skill when he was human.

>putting property rights over even the right to live
Are you a caricature of what leftists think of Capitalism? Because if you aren't, you convinced me that Karl Marx was right.

You forgot the best part, the Elves gave MC the medicine because they only agreed not to give it to humans.

Great question.
A good writer would have a believable justification for that, wouldn't they?

i can sum it up
man are fighter and females are whores. i am not joking.

>guy being a dick
>takes all his shit instead of leaving some
>apparently he's in the wrong for giving the same treatment he got from the man

re:monster sucks

>oh look the goblin is actually the hero/good guy what an original japanese idea haven't seen this before finally something breaks the mold hurr

>man are fighter and females are whores

So where's the fantasy part?

It's one of the first to do it, pay your respects.

in the cave when he uses magic to fuck the girls

>fuckers didn't even need it

This is why no one likes elves.

Is RE:Monster the worst history involving goblins?

How many are there?

That's not the situation at all.

Let's say a billionaire was in a plane crash in the wild. He is famous, so everyone knows he can pay for anything. You're walking along on your private island, being a billionaire yourself, and the stranded, now starving billionaire asks for your cheeseburger, promising to pay for it, even offering to sign a contract.

You refuse, despite knowing his great wealth and prepare to watch him die, but he musters up the last of his strength, whacks you in the noggin, and throws in a few more punches for good measure due to the adrenaline. He takes the rest of your cheeseburgers, knowing that you will continue to refuse to sell him your stash of cheeseburgers because you only have 400 and I mean come on, that's not enough to spare, like come on man.

Well except for the fact that the billionaire hired a bullshit isekai protagonist to enforce his dickery but yeah.

KILL ALL THE KNIFE-EARED FAGGOTS!

>goblin sympathy
Of course it is

At what LN chapter do i continue after manga?

Which could have been avoided if you parted with one of them.

Not that user, btw

>you're a dick for not giving someone some of your super limited resource just because they asked you nicely for it

Fucking commie scum. The humans didn't even fucking try to barter for it. It was just "give us your super precious healing item!" "no" "k we're gonna kill you all and take it from you then"

>>you're a dick for not giving someone some of your super limited resource
It's not, they didn't even want it. They gave the MC some just because.

>violating the NAP

>give us your resource that only you can manufacture because we asked nicely
>oh you refused our completely empty begging? Great that gives us casus belli to genocide you and take it from you instead of just engaging in trade like a sane person would do

It's not like the humans were asking for it for free.

Negotiations almost certainly involved a proposed trade.

Yes, trade is voluntary. However, if you disregard someone's best efforts to be civil concerning a life or death situation, it's pretty damn justified that they take the uncivil route.

After all, it's life or death. There are no big-boy points for dying quietly.

So the elf just being dick and hate human, right?

>implying it was empty begging and that a powerful kingdom wouldn't offer to purchase it or otherwise trade for it.
>implying the elves would accept bartering anyway
>implying the elves even had a reason to refuse besides being elves

Elfposters pls go.

>violate NAP
>die or maybe live
>don't violate NAP
>die

You know which option is gonna happen you ancap fuck.

Yes. The best part is they were getting their asses kicked by the human armies, and the only reason they didn't all end in sexual slavery was because they got lucky with the MC's military assistance.

>headcanon

Show me where they proposed a trade. Because I've read and re-read it and all I see is "we can't give it to you" which means they were just asking for it, not offering anything in return.

Humans are literally the bad guys in this setting, it's to be expected.

>Humans are literally the bad guys in this setting
Humans are incompetently portrayed as the bad guys in this setting, because anyone can see they were justified in their incursion.

The author is as bad at portraying humans as evil as he is at portraying the MC as not a rapist.

Goblin is very strong, Goblin Kingdom and Goblin Slayer at least

>justified in murdering, raping and destroying an entire species to save one life of their own kind

Only if you're a godless fucking communist. Fuck off.

>Because I've read and re-read it and all I see is "we can't give it to you" which means they were just asking for it

Giving isn't exclusive to gifting. When you trade, you in fact give and receive in-turn.

Also, you don't think trades were part of the bargaining? Are you fucking retarded? That's like the first thing you do when you bargain, you offer something for something else.

>the only exchange of goods an elfposter can imagine is charity

Why am I even surprised?

All of those are the natural consequence of the war that the elves begged for because they couldn't lift a finger to save the daughter of a powerful monarch.

Ooops, you knife-eared dumbfuck.

How do people even stomach garbage like Re:Monster?

>fuck up diplomacy so fucking hard you get holocausted

The free market would have prevented this.

No mention is made of any attempt at 'negotiation', just that some prince was sent to acquire the elixir. So yeah, you're talking pure headcanon.

>hurr durr one human is worth countless elf lives
>it's okay for a king to throw the lives of elves and his own people away in a selfish war for one daughter of his
>I fucking love being an immoral cunt, I also frequent the cesspools known as humanity fuck yeah threads on /tg/ and masturbate to porn of humans fucking aliens and fantasy creatures better than their own males can

>The elves just give away the elixir to people who don't even need it
>But they don't give it to humans because fuck humans
>Oh no, please stop fucking us humans please

If a bandit walks up to you, and demands your money so he can save his dying mother, and you refuse, are you in the wrong for killing his entire bandit troupe when they try to take it by force?

If the elves don't want to hand their shit over, they don't have to. The humans have zero right to demand it in the first place. They have even less right to complain when Rou wrecks their shit after they attempted to invade.

This is why we have to exterminate the knife-ears

Itt: tree fucker

>If a bandit walks up to you, and demands your money so he can save his dying mother

You mean "when a king" walks up to you, and "tries to negotiate repeatedly" for an elixir you have and don't really need nor have a problem with giving away for free, so he can save his dying daughter, then you are in the wrong for trying to pretend the king is in the wrong for invading your home and whining about it when his armies are trashing your armies, yes.

The prince was sent to acquire the elixir by begging at their front door?

Come on now, use that brain of yours.

You are not in the wrong for killing the bandit troupe, however, depending on amount of how much money you have, you may be responsible for his mother's death.

I really like isekai...but i everytime i read a little about this I just cant...and i even enjoyed Kumo and Slime...but this...is this shit even enjoyable or im better just avoiding it?

This one in particular is about a faggot neet hiding out in his cave for an indeterminate amount of time and becoming swole while he builds up his harem of sex slaves, all the while doublethinking himself into believing that he isn't implicit in human trafficking.

You're better avoiding it, it's honestly pretty terrible. I'm reading the manga still because it's barely passable when there's nothing else to read, but it's not good by any metric.

They developed stockholm syndrome so it isn't rape.

Stop reading the analogies with food and money. They're asking for a resource that they can't get anywhere else. It's a fucking medicine, if the knife ears gave it to the MC who has enslaved some of their kind, they can give it to a kingdom to save one fucking person.

But what should we expect better from fucking Re:monster? This shit is bad, even by the low, low WN standards.

I dont mind or care for the neet wanking and stuff...but its the world building at last interesting or is just a powerfantasy for betas?...the classic i win for being the special boy

People with lots of money are not responsible for the deaths of people they don't know just because they don't want to be charitable. You might as well tell me I am responsible for the deaths of children in Africa because I can afford to feed them.

So if China decides they want a certain country's technology, and they attempt to "negotiate" with them to hand it over, and the country in question refuses, they can just invade and take it and it will be totally OK? Just because a nation gives out free shit to their own people or their allies doesn't mean anyone can just waltz up and be like "Oh, free stuff? Would you mind giving me some of that too? No? Hand it the fuck over if you know what's good for you!"

And they say /tg/ hates elves.

Dont you all forget that the elf try to use force to goblin when their turn them down?

It's one of the most barefaced powerfantasies for betas I've ever read.

I started reading it and really liked the concept of the guy starting as a goblin and ranking up into other monsters, but the concept was wasted because the guy has a billion abilities and becomes ultra overpowered so fast chapters of the LN read like fucking shopping lists of skills.

>but its the world building at last interesting or is just a powerfantasy for betas?...the classic i win for being the special boy

>Until now there is almost 0 world building and this is THE beta power fantasy

All this shit reminds me of some asshole in medicine buying a medicines patent/etc IRL and then selling it at 10-100x the original price.

"Free Market" my ass.

Patents and copyrights are some of the most fucked up legislation that exists on the western world. Literally written by corporations.

Eh, I would argue that you are not responsible for death of children in Africa because you do not live in Africa and you are not in direct contact with them.
While in this situation it would take you no effort to do anything to save a life.

Libertarians don't support patents.

Yeah, if you're vacationing in africa and you are carrying a truckload of water and 50 negroes ask you for just one bottle to save a dying child, and you refuse many times, it's pretty stupid to complain when you're machete'd to pieces by 50 angry niggers.

Thats what called my attention at first too,a low level MOB character that gets stronger but if what i have readed on this treads its true then it might has well be a God-goblinoid from the scratch...
Well...dam...
Back to Overlord and Shieldbro I guess

The elves don't live in the fucking human country either. If a hundred angry mexicans crossed the border into Texas and demanded the citizens give them food, are they required to do so?

If you had to give a bottle of water to every passing nigger, your truckload of water would run out real fast. If those 50 niggers attacked your truck, you're justified in killing all of them and they can't make any complaint.