Holodohoax

Why does Sup Forums buy into the Holodohoax so hard? Do you think God Emperor Stalin just magically ate all the crops and caused shortages?

Ukranians didn't want to give up land, I.E they were "evil" Kulaks who didn't need food

also Hitler gassing people DOESN'T make sense in terms of who not just strave them.

TL:DR Holodor is what the Holohoax would have looked like if it was real.

lol because arranging countless white christians to mindlessly fight eachother isn't more important than some allegedly gassy chambers.

6 million Jews suddenly disappeared from the face of the Earth, meanwhile the USSR despite "20 gorillion" had a constant natural increase

New tv series pilot coming up

The Nazis' actually killed 12 trillion in WW2, they ran around motorcycles throwing hatchets at people, throwed them into masturbation machines, turned them into soap and canned food, drowned them in pools, dropped piano's on them ect. They tried gassing at first but used the other methods because children could survive upwards of twelve gassings, it was real in my mind. The six million is actually World war one from the evil Nazi Russians

here. I'm too fucking tired, here's a debunking of virtually every holocaust denial argument, including your newspaper trash

>Oy veh! It was 12 articles not 20

TFW your debunking is debunking it's self.

i cant tell if this is a highly elaborate shitpost or if you actually believe this.
I want to believe it's simple shitposting but the left unironically believes every pro trump redditor or person in general is a russian spy or a russian bot.

>Its all just a bunch of coincidences! those ebul Nazi's just hid all the real deaths! all the gassing only took place near muh trustworthy soviet union!

Why the Nazi's had to hide official orders passed between high ranking indiuvals who oversaw the extermination of 12 trillion i will never know. I guess as their people were being massed raped they decided to burn and destroy the hundreds of thousands of documents that surely proved the shoah.

Direct quote from your hero, after Churchill asked him about collectivization.

Timothy Snyder addressed just this criticism. Three reason Ukrainians left the collectives where they were starving is because the people in the cities had ration cards and bread lines. Far from it being impossible for them to travel because they were starving, their starvation made the travel necessary.

So the better question is: why were they arrested?

And the answer is because Stalin criminalized peasants traveling to the cities. Why, you ask?

Because he decided the peasants were deliberately starving themselves to death to make him look bad. It was therefore counter revolutionary activity. Your source is trash.

You didn't even read what was there. The articles were from the same time periofd referencing the same number, no inconsistencies
>"Why the Nazi's had to hide official orders passed between high ranking indiuvals who oversaw the extermination of 12 trillion i will never know"
Idk, maybe it could be used against them as a war crime and lose support of the German Volk? The actual German Army had records of disgust at their SS superiors who were obseesed with racialism
>i cant tell if this is a highly elaborate shitpost or if you actually believe this.
Where's the argument?
>I want to believe it's simple shitposting but the left unironically believes every pro trump redditor or person in general is a russian spy or a russian bot.
Stop conflating us with libs, although your lack of argument makes me want to believe the Russian bot theory so hard

As opposed to you not having a source
>"Direct quote"
If you say so. I can make one of those in MS paint. Give me 15 min

Here you go, buddy.

Snyder, Timothy. Bloodlands: Europe between Hitler and Stalin. New York: Basic Books, 2012.

You want to know how I can tell you're not an historian?

>Idk, maybe it could be used against them as a war crime and lose support of the German Volk? The actual German Army had records of disgust at their SS superiors who were obseesed with racialism

Seem's kind of pointless when they were at the end of the war, defeat inevitable. Your telling me that not one document of surely thousands that oversaw the deaths of millions of people survived? No one denies that people died in the camps, we just deny that it was deliberate extermination. Those who fled were shot, starvation, disease, but there is no proof of gassing other than from comrade "i take you out of the picture" Stalin.
>If you say so. I can make one of those in MS paint. Give me 15 min

Winston Churchill, Memoirs of the Second World War. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Co., 1959 page 633 book by Churchill himself, now i'm going to post a bunch of dead people as proof of holodomar.

Commies btfo by actual scholarship, once again. And I didn't even have to break out the black book.

And what edition? Just to know

I can't be bothered to dig out my copy at the moment, but I will say this. Snyder has a tendency to overplay some of the more dramatic instances of suffering, which is maybe justifiable, but it makes his book very hard to read to some. He is, however, worlds better than David Marples, who is a neo Marxist and a polemicist, and who the op doesn't even bother to name. Marples is giving us an example of exactly how not to use history: as a weapon for a contemporary political entity.

Im doing some work on the Holodomor soon, so any source, like that black book you mentionned would be appreciated.

Russia from 1914-1947 was probably one of the worst places to ever be in the history of mankind.

>Be Russia
>lose 3-4 million in world war 1
>communist jews start an uprising which turns into a full blown civil war
>during civil war, said communists actually fucking have a war with Poland and lose several thousand people
>9 million people end up dying due to civil war
>it's 1921 and a massive famine kills 5 million people
>extreme poverty and mass starvation occurs throughout the 20s
>mass collectivization results in millions of deaths
>early 1930s and mass famine occurs in Ukraine and Kazakhstan with 3-4 million dying in Ukraine and 1.5-2 million dying in Kazakhstan
>30s is a decade full of poverty, hard labor and mass starvation
>ww2 starts, gets invaded by Germany only win because you keep sending more soldiers than the Germans have bullets
>lose 26.6 million people in ww2
>lose another 1.5 million in a famine in 1946