The shillpill on trans issues

While I acknowledge that: pic related != man, I think anyone would struggle to argue against the fact that pic related ≈ man.

Much like it might be denying simple biological fact to say that pic related has XY chromosomes it is also denying the simple social reality that you would treat pic related in public as if he was a man (you wouldn't buy him perfume and makeup, you'd be surprised if he walked into a womans bathroom, it wouldn't occur to you to use female pronouns in reference etc.) and thus you can 'effectively' consider him to be a man for most (non-medical) purposes.

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ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3219066
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1158136006000491
gires.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/trans_mh_study.pdf
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15" arms of peace
bird chest, no traps, no delts

>implying thats not most biological guys

looks like a faggot still

it's the power of hormones
look at iris kyle
it's not hard to take drugs. but i will say that this OP pic is a pic of a biological man. if that's a chick, it was heavy heavy hormones from a VERY young age. you will not get this beard density no matter what. plus the clavicle width and the wrist/forearm ratio
if this was a woman at any point, i'd be shocked.

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right
it's just some fucking fag
that's not a bio-woman
on these matters Sup Forums just has to believe me

Why can't I just go to a doctor and get a fucking beard like that? If a dyke can do it, why can't I? I identify as a dude who can grow a fucking beard? Make my identity match my body!

>5'1"
>consider "him" a man

>manlet
>fag voice
>child-bearing hips
>not to mention no benis

stop cherrypicking. even female-to-male trannies are a meme

lol ok like you would recognise OP pic as bio-female

>thus you can 'effectively' consider him to be a man for most (non-medical) purposes.
This thing has no idea what being a man is. It's a woman in a man costume, that is all.

Yeah except everyone he meets treats him as if hes a man

>can't tell their height
>not a video of them talking to hear voice
>not even zoomed out enough to assess if skeletal frame is appropriate
>100% guaranteed no benis when it matters

kys my """man"""

TOXIC MASCULINITY IS BEING RECLAIMED BY TRANSMEN
SOME IN THIS THREAD SEEM TO FORGET THE POWER TESTOSTERONE HAD OVER YOUR PREPUBESCENT BODY- ESTROGEN IS NO MATCH ONCE HEALTHY TESTOSTERONE LEVELS ARE MAINTAINED

Pic related is not a man since pic related needs hormone treatments to be a "man". Pic related is also not a man if pic related has a vagina or a non-functioning, artificial, meat tube "penis". Pic related is an abomination. Pic related is a mentally disturbed individual into extrmeme body modification. Pic Related is Extreme LARPing

>Yeah except everyone he meets treats him as if hes a man
So if I went in full drag and looked and acted like a woman I'm a woman?

I don't doubt they have some feminine traits (hence != female) but the photo should tell you in most respects that you'd likely assume him to be a biological man

>Pic related is not a man since pic related needs hormone treatments to be a "man"
In what respect? I acknowledge in OP that it doesn't make sense to say a trans man is 100% a man but it also doesn't make sense to say that in absolutely NO respect OP is not a man. Its simply not a sensible way to describe the individual, OP simply doesn't correspond with what most people think of when they think of what a woman is.

Just wait til it opens its mouth, then you can tell.

Probably not but thats a poor analogy because OP is trans, not a cross-dresser

Voice training user. Plenty of bio-men have high voices.

if I dress a cat up as a dog, is it a dog if most people can't tell the difference?

>Voice training user. Plenty of bio-men have high voices.
Voice training doesn't eliminate the retardation of everything that comes out of a woman's mouth

If you were just dressing it people probably could figure out its a cat. If you took surgical and other medical measures to make the cat similar in behaviour and appearance to a dog then at a certain point it'd just make sense that you feed it meat, take it for walks and play catch.

your autism is showing

>play catch.
Cats don't play catch. A woman with a beard and surgically removed tits and a toy cock is still not a man and knows nothing of manhood.
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opinion discarded

i am a transsexual and the thing that pol has a hard time admitting is that a lot of us blend in seamlessly with society. meaning that people can’t tell, treat us as our perceived sex, etc.

trans people have become a meme because of faggot sjw and purple haired feminists and crazy legislators that was to ban people from bathrooms or make X an acceptable gender marker

so there’s some legitimate skepticism. but really, it’s 2:1 invisible to visible trans people. and unfortunately the visible ones tend to spoil stuff.

it’s a new thread dipshit

there will never be a human being who can dress up as a house pet and convince anyone of it. don’t be stupid.

>Cats don't play catch
IF you couldn't morph a cats behaviour into one of a dog then you could probably still consider a cat that looks like a dog a cat.

>A woman with a beard and surgically removed tits and a toy cock is still not a man and knows nothing of manhood
Knowing what you probably mean by manhood you could probably say the same for most bio-men. I don't have to tell you that being a manhood is seperate from biology, most bio-men struggle to achieve the popular conception of masculinity.

Trannies love to think this. I've known plenty and we can all tell. I've met maybe 2 or 3 that pass, but only to people who haven't met trannies and can't see the obvious tells.
You're not much for abstract thought, are you faggot?
>IF you couldn't morph a cats behaviour into one of a dog then you could probably still consider a cat that looks like a dog a cat.
Not if you dissect it.
>being a manhood is seperate from biology
No, it's not.
>most bio-men struggle to achieve the popular conception of masculinity.
And they are weak faggots. Still men, but not Men.

I wonder if women can tell easier that it’s a tranny? It’s really obvious with dudes but I would assume that is a man

There are stats on this only ~25% of trans people are recognised as trans more than sometimes

I had two cats that would play fetch when I was growing up. Just saying.

>While I acknowledge that: pic related != man, I think anyone would struggle to argue against the fact that pic related ≈ man.

>meaning that people can’t tell

Saw some guy tonight that had huge arms. Had a stride like he was all tough and could kick anybody's ass. When he walked near me I noticed he was about 5' 6". I literally started laughing out loud. Manlets, when will they learn?

>couldn't tell he was short at a distance

5'10 manlet confirmed

>Not if you dissect it.
I never argued that trans man = man, I actually stated the exact opposite in OP. If you dissect a transman you'll find a biological woman.

>No, it's not.
Plenty of biological males aren't 'men' in the traditional sense.

>And they are weak faggots. Still men, but not Men.
Would you say these 'men' know of manhood though?

>Cats don't play catch.
i have a cat that does.

>If you dissect a transman you'll find a biological woman.
Right, you said that a transman isn't a man, but isn't not a man either, which is nonsense. What it is is a woman with pills and surgeons, no matter what it looks like.
>Plenty of biological males aren't 'men' in the traditional sense.
But they are men in the biological sense. Women can never be either.
>Would you say these 'men' know of manhood though?
They know of it, but they haven't lived it and consequently are afraid of it - like women are. That's wher FtM trannies come from - they want the power of physicality that is a Man's domain, but they can't have it. Sorry sweetie.

opposite sex attraction DOES NOT LIE. Nor does the associated privileges that come along with each gender. lived experience informs a trans person how well they pass based on this criteria. and during transition you know you don’t pass because you get neither of the aforementioned goodies.

you faggots will just have to believe me on this one.

>What it is is a woman with pills and surgeons, no matter what it looks like.
The point made is that whilst a trans man may not be a man in every sense of the word they satisfy enough of the conditions that people think of when they think man such that you can consider them to effectively be men for most purposes. I know you won't defend OP being in the same toilet as little girls and I know you wouldn't buy OP a dress or perfume.

>But they are men in the biological sense. Women can never be either.
Exactly, so its very much the case that manhood is not contingent on whether or not you're a biological man.

>That's wher FtM trannies come from - they want the power of physicality that is a Man's domain, but they can't have it
They at the very least strive for it, much like MtF can often be more feminine than many biological women, even transphobes will admit this.

>they satisfy enough of the conditions that people think of when they think man such that you can consider them to effectively be men for most purposes.
No, they don't. By their very nature they are the antithesis of Man - they are a walking, breathing lie.
>manhood is not contingent on whether or not you're a biological man.
Yes it is. That's the opposite of what I said. A weak biological male still has the capacity to be a strong man, a woman has no such potential.
>They at the very least strive for it
It's their life, strive all they want. I have no problem with that. However they won't achieve it and I won't pretend it isn't a disgusting farce.
>MtF can often be more feminine than many biological women
They can pretend to be, and that's the closest they can get.

>the photo should tell you in most respects that you'd likely assume him to be a biological man

in the photo =/= real life

Well it depends on how we define man.

Man
>produces sperm
>has y chromosome if mammal
>creates offspring with sperm

Woman on steroids with beard
>has Frankencock
>produces empty steroid bottles
>creates suicide statistic

But you knew that

>bio-men
>biological man
>bio-female
yEAH i DON'T CARE YOU NEED TO TELL THEM TO SHUTUP DON'T ASK DON'T TELL ISN'T AN INSULT IT'S A REASONABLE COMPROMISE.

oops...

>By their very nature they are the antithesis of Man - they are a walking, breathing lie
If I were to tell you that in a second a man were to walk into your room I'm certain the kind of person you'd be expecting would be pretty similar to OP. Simply, when I say man you aren't just thinking of a penis and XY chromosomes, you're thinking of broad shoulders, facial hair, jawline, short hair and a muscular build as well as a other behavioural traits. To say that someone who essentially matches what you envision to be a man in all ways but a handful isn't a man in ANY sense of the word simply isn't true.

>A weak biological male still has the capacity to be a strong man, a woman has no such potential
What part of manhood necessitates a biological penis or XY chromosomes? Even if they couldn't are you telling me that OP is further away from manhood than the trans woman in pic related?

If you have five catagories and 2 of them are "most of the time" and "always" that isn't 25% it's 40%, do the math, man...

I had hamsters that played frisbee golf.

Scouts honor.

(167+457)/(167+457+693+765+487)=24.2%

>handful isn't a man in ANY sense of the word simply isn't true.
Uh...yes it is. Fuckers like you playing semantics and obfuscating essential inviolate truths makes fucking livid. It's textbook Doublethink, so you use Newspeak to take advantage of the stupid and the frail and the insecure. I fart in your general direction.


brap!

>isn't a man in ANY sense of the word simply isn't true.
Wrong. Because it's not a man. You post-modern faggots think that perception = reality, which is why trannies kill themselves when they stop being young and fuckable. That's why Johns Hopkins, which was one of the first medical centers in the country, stopped gender reassignment surgery. The suicide rate doesn't change post-op. Because they're still mentally ill. Step outside the movie in your head and accept reality.
>What part of manhood necessitates a biological penis or XY chromosomes?
How can anything consider itself a man when it's never even experienced a natural erection? And yes, a biological man who was born without a penis or whatever the fuck shitty hypothetical you come up with is slightly less of a man.
>are you telling me that OP is further away from manhood than the trans woman in pic related?
Yes. Just because that faggot Bailey got cosmetic surgery doesn't make it any less of a man.

>Hi Ace,
>What does the term “Bear” mean to you?
>“I’ve actually had a lot of discussions about this. I am a straight transgender man and I do not identify as a bear. However I do label myself as a pup. People seem to get very offended by this because they say that only gay men can claim that along with bear, cub, wolf, ect. But I disagree with that. I think a bear is someone who, regardless of sexual orientation, is of large stature, not necessarily tall, with tons of body hair, and is a kind person.”


>transgender
This was taken right from the link. "Ace" was born a female, you can even see a scar underneath 'his' left breast

when bruce jenner does it hes brave

but when i stick a carrot up my ass and wear my wifes bikini i get kicked out of the kids swimming pool. so many double standards

Uuugh. The gaping dilated hole of males to females disgusts me, but for some reason the meat stick replacement disturbs me more

bet hes sexier than u tho kek

That's fucking horrifying, what woman is going to want that frankencock in her?

Wouldn't you like to know.

Well considering this entire conversation revolves around what exactly defines a 'man' there's not really any issues with semantics.

>Wrong. Because it's not a man. You post-modern faggots think that perception = reality
If hes not a man why does his physical appearance cohere with what you'd expect a man to look like? I know and you know that when I say 'man' you aren't simply thinking of Chromosomes and sex organs.

>The suicide rate doesn't change post-op. Because they're still mentally ill
erudit.org/fr/revues/ss/2013-v59-n1-ss0746/1017478ar/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3219066
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1158136006000491
gires.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/trans_mh_study.pdf

>How can anything consider itself a man when it's never even experienced a natural erection?
Because being a man is more than being able to experience an erection

>Yes. Just because that faggot Bailey got cosmetic surgery doesn't make it any less of a man.
This is laughable. Come on we all know what a man looks like. Among the things you associate with women I bet she fulfils way more of them than she does things she associates with men. I wonder what a useful gendered term for such a person would be?

So is this not a man?
Was he a man?
Did he have his dick chopped off?
Is it a woman?
WTF

>If hes not a man why does his physical appearance cohere with what you'd expect a man to look like?
>surgery
>testosterone
>steroids
>insta-angles
>you aren't simply thinking of Chromosomes and sex organs.
Not simply those things, but they are essential. Without them you're not a man.
I'm not reading those studies, sum it up or gtfo. If your argument is that the DSMV says otherwise, that's no argument - you can't legislate nature.
>Because being a man is more than being able to experience an erection
Obviously, but a raging rock hard cock is essentially masculine. It is what I fuck pussy with. I impregnate wombs with it. It's not a lumpy stick of play-doh.
>you associate with women
Associations don't a woman make.
>I wonder what a useful gendered term for such a person would be?
You faggots are terrible. Stop inventing made up words for mentally ill people. You do them more harm than good.
Are you a tranny, a roastie, or a faggot?

If that's a tranny, science has gone too far. There is no way in hell that's a transsexual. Except maybe if the 'treatment' was started in early childhood. And that would be a crime against humanity.

nah he is, most ftm make an effort unlike bio bois

kek
ok faggot

its true tho
most bio men dont bother to look the least bit attractive then bitch when women dont want their cock, like you for example.

hahahahahahahahahahaha
those fucked up pecs always make me laugh
>no traps
>weak lats
>no clavicular head development due to sawed of titties
You don't know what you're talking about and you didn't answer my question, faggot.
Tranny, roastie, or faggot?

still have posted your lard ass burger-kun.

>posting selfies on a mongolian throat singing forum
kek
I'm guessing you're a FtM tranny. Only a mentally ill woman could be so defensive. Am I right?

>my question
which question was that Jorge, I missed it

>you're defensive
>says the guy calling others tranny and faggot

as so you are an obese lard ass. put down the pies and get on the biggest loser! i believe in you neckbeard-kun.

>says the guy calling others tranny and faggot
Where the fuck do you think you are, cunt?
So: tranny, roastie, or faggot?

The redpill on this issue is pretty easy: apply the same amount of roids the woman took to get that big, he'd be twice as big.

>apply the same amount of roids the woman took to get that big, he'd be twice as big.
this user gets it

>being this triggered

top kek, sorry you an ugly fatso burger, not my problem. maybe shave sometime.

>triggered
kek
This is why you'll always be a loser. You're not an honest person.
Tranny, roastie, or faggot?

That fat guy is likely to beat the OP in real life in a street fight just by overbearing her with his natural muscle and all of his lard, with sheer inertia. How does that make you feel?

>tranny
>or faggot
how does this work

How the fuck trannies have better facial hair than me? It's not fair.

>bird chest

Birds have huge chests you meat-blockhead. 15-20% of the weight of the bird is made by pecs, because they have to fly and pecs apply leverage to the wings. Is that supposed to be an insult?

>is sperging, so clear hes triggered
at least i can see my dick diabeetus-kun, but yeah ok i'm the loser top kek. keep sperging out, enertain me eunuch!

tj would lose a fight to a ham sandwich, hes a heart attack waiting to happen also hello newfag.

Do you remember all that bullshit fat feminists say about people who go to the gym and become gym rats because of their low self-esteem and lack of confidence in their own body? The only thing they got wrong was that they were talking about people like this girl.

>That fat guy is likely to beat the OP in real life in a street fight just by overbearing her with his natural muscle and all of his lard, with sheer inertia
kek
this faggot thinks misshapen ottermode trannies are masculine; it's not operating in reality.
semantics user
So you're a faggot? Thanks for clarifying, cocksucker.

>15" arms

Pffttt... more like 14 inch.

You can't see the full size of this person. They are probably 5'6" 150lbs.

OP's argument is dumb. The majority of trans can't pass as the other sex and even if they can, it changes nothing.

That "trans" has had every damn hormone under the sun.

stay mad obese tiny dick kun

You can tell this is a small person and the pic/angles are intended to make them look bigger.

I'm 6'3" 220lbs lifter. If I workout and take a pic like that with no real comparisons near me I could probably pretend I was 6'6" 280 or something.

Fuck trannies (not literally)

>people cant tell

lmfao, you really are deluded. I can always tell. I dont act on it because im not the type to cause a scene.

You say that you have a dick but you insult like a woman, which definitely makes you a faggot. Do you have AIDS?

you're silly user

true, but they still have more muscle the the average bio burger.

Why else would I be on Sup Forums famalam?

because you're fat and bitter maybe

Are you angry because some big bear pozzed your neghole?

Yeah if I had access to test vials as a guy I could go from looking slightly smaller than that guy to a fucking silverback gorilla. A women who takes a shit load of test can achieve the body of a moderately fit guy. Or if I took oestrogen and had penis implosion surgery I could look like a complete faggot with little tiny boobs. Simple really; chemicals do stuff.

>keeps bleating on about the same shit but pretends hes not triggered and cant let go
>tries to insult me by inferring i have aids when hes clearly cancer

stay mad dicklet.

Honestly, I think trans people need to learn to live with their parts and find a good place mentally where they don't feel driven to mutilation. It's less wrong visually and conceptually to be a girl with a dick or a guy with a twat than it is to end up with a frankenwhatever.

kek pretty much.

>prince untouchable
>peanut untouchable
no relation?

kek
you faggots are pathetically bad at this
lurk moar then try again
it's bedtime in burgerland

im ntot angry m8 you are the one sperging out like a triggered tumblrtard after i called your fat ass out.

Well an average guy doesn't look like that, true but if most people cut down bodyfat low they will, even small arms and little muscle looks impressive esp. to women (fight club brad pitt) but I am sure that person is pumped full of testosterone/roids and if you try that you'll look pretty vascular easily.

Eh, I dunno, it's not so much of an achievement. a 5'10" 140lbs slim guy on roids will go up to 155lbs in about 2-3 weeks or so and look pretty much like that picture.

They (like the photo) wont remain that way though.