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That picture upsets teslafags.

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how is this wrong?

The power plant is more efficient though, also if they'd deregulate diesel we'd have some nice biodiesel cars around.

we literally make electricity from running water

only a small fraction of all power is renewable. around 75+% is fossil based

So build nuclear plants.

This is not even remotely true.

A combustion engine can only turn about 10% of the energy in the fuel into kinetic energy (movement). All the other energy in the form of heat is completely lost and unused.

If you know use that fuel in a plant, you can use the heat to power turbines that produce electricity, therefore you get an Energy output that is about 3 to 4 times higher.

I know that it still a shitty option, but it is by far the less shitty option that we currently have.

Thank you for bringing reality to this shit show.

You forgot to show the refinery where all crude oil has to be boiled and distilled into gas/diesel. Then it gets to make more pollution in your car.

How much carbon based energy is required in the fabrication of Tesla car batteries? What is their average lifespan? How easy are they to recycle for reuse? The driving of the car is only a part of the actual energy cost of the vehicle.

What about the environmental costs of producing the battery, change it for a new one after awhile and deposing of it safely?

But they are against nuclear power too.

Almost makes up for the extra pollution involved in the battery manufacture.

>doesn't consider loses in transporting electrical energy

>doesn't consider the transport of the fuel to gas stations

My god. The niggers were right all along. Bicycles truly are the Earth saving vehicles of kangs.

>doesn't consider

Not true actually. modern cars are very efficient, especially diesel engines

>The power plant is more efficient though
The battery factory not so much.

>I have seen the light
>Truly the patrician's vehicle

coal needs to get out of the ground and into the power plant too.

...

Its almost as if combustion engines just pop up out of nowhere...

True story....

never mind the fact that electric car production itself is a nightmare for the environment

the funny thing is that if in the 2nd panel you replace that nasty coal plant with a clean nuclear plant those teslafags go full retard and call you hitler

Easy target in the event of a war

> The new Tesla roadster does 0-60 in 1.9 seconds
> looks cool

It’s all preference man. Plus they compete with a lot of super cars. Obviously not when you start talking longer drag races because it’s top speed isn’t as high but a quarter mile it’s up there with the top and any less it dominates because there isn’t any need for the engine to rev. It just goes

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A cheap to produce in terms of resources used / cheap to buy car, that is very fuel efficient is better than a hybrid like the Prius or an EV.
Europe has been pretty good at producing small, cheap and fuel efficient cars that have classless appeal and are popular with all demographics.

t. butthurt non-teslafag

You can still use renewable energy like solar and wind.

That said didn't Germany start mining for coal again? Fucking greenfags man.

The electric vehicle allows for the centralization and sequestration of the pollution, and in the long run makes the power infrastructure the weak point.

Let me put it differently. You can have 1,000 sites grossly polluted or 10,000,000 sites polluted to a lesser degree. Pick your evil.

ok

That is not true.
> A combustion engine turn about 10% of the energy in the fuel into kinetic energy (movement).

20-40%, actually.

Fossil fueled power plants turn 30-50% into electric energy. But electric car engine turn only about 80% of the electric energy into kinetic energy. So OP is right, it's about the same.

Why is smoke coming from tower coolers? they should emit steam.

Electric cars are not made for 3rd world countries like Sudan and Australia.

gas is 30% diesel id 45% you cucked krout

not really now. in Germany we would have big problems with the power grid if many people used electric cars.

most of the Windpower is located in the north and we would have problems bringing it into the south. and Germany is small compared to the us.

Nigger, nuclear energy.

This, actually grid is so overloaded that part of Germany energy during peak goes through Polish grid and we do not have any infrastructure to prevent this.

are you going to tell us that using the solar as an energy source will make the sun slowly lose its brightness?

only 50% of electric energy is lost in transmission. fuck off.

Fossil fuel power stations are more energy efficient than car motors.

>being such a soyboy cuck you rely on engines and power stations to get around

My body is my engine

insignificant compared to the cost of manfucturing combustion engines or digging up oil, fighting oil wars, transporting oil everywhere, refining oil into something usable, then transporting the usable products to their end destinations

Gas car: 6000 moving parts, the failure of any of which can render the entire car into environmental waste.
E-car: Dump out engine, transmission, radiator. Keep the starter, battery, body wheels and transaxle. Maybe 100 moving parts, easily serviced.
The battery is made of nontoxic materials (Lithium is a medicine even), lasts a decade, and imagine how much better, smaller and higher capacity the new battery will be a decade later.
Gas cars stand no chance, on the track or anywhere else. That said I'd fight any attempt to ban them. The market will take care of it.

They afraid of a tsunami which will destroy the nuclear power plants so they close them instead.

>*paki steals your bike

>doesn't realise I put a gps tracker in the frame
>get the lads (pic related) round to hunt him down and kick his face in

>biodiesel
>ecologic

The average efficiency of fossil fuel power plants is 34% world-wide and 37% counting only OECD members.
The average efficiency of a Diesel engine is around 30%, so even if you only count fossil fuel, power plants are more efficient.
But you also forget there are nuclear, wind, solar, hydroelectric and natural gas power plants, which leave a much smaller impact on the environment.

dont forget the battery acid lasts thousands of years later too. wow so environmental.

Some eco redpills
Need billions in investment in grid to support electric cars.
The most modern solar panels take 20+ years to get a return vs just burning the oil used to create them, they only last around 15-17 years.
Solar panels are most efficient not in the desert but on a cold sunny winter day. COLD SUNNY WINTER
Obstruct a small fraction of a panel and none of it works.
Anywhere we see 'renewable' energy the cost of energy skyrockets, if its clean and renewable energy, why is not cheaper?
Wind energy without wind wont boil a kettle.
Green fags are marxist scum and will be gassed with the rest.

It sick
It piss
Woo
Nature boy Ric Flair baby

Dodge demon also makes them mad.

"NOOOOOOOOO! ELECTRIC HAS TO BE FASTEST! P100D! ELON!"

diesel doesn't just show up from the thin air mate
this

That's not true at all, go look at videos of chinese battery factories.
Also, you're a fucking idiot if you think the wars in the middle east are for oil.

The biggest problem is the rare earth metal mining for the fucking high tech 18650 batterys tesla uses.
The future is fuel cell via hydrogen and tesla is a scam.

The power plant is more efficient. The electric car is more efficient. But together it is a wash. Only stupid people fell for the electric car meme. Now if you want to brag your electric car will out perform my Vette with the LS1 engine, fine. Different question.

And your dams kill the salmon and other wildlife...

Nigga no one can store hydrogen properly. You put it in a steel tank and it fucking escapes through the solid steel wall. You can't build an economy around that.

Tesla is working today, that's a huge achievement.

So if the argument is performance, fine. But stop the silly “non polluting, more efficient” bullshit because only retards buy it.

Make hydrogen walls

>Quebec have 99.7% of it's electricity from renewables
>Corrupted Liberal government fuck it up with it's shady and costly subsidies for electric cars

You fucking cookie cutter porn addict

Duh, literal free fuel is leaking a bit and you cant let the car sit for 10 years and expect a full tank.What a big fucking problem.Its not like you can literally make your own fucking fuel for fucking free.Then tesla scams you with buying bigass hightech(16850) batterys that you will have to change after 3 years for 50 to 70 percent cost of the whole car.Yeah, lets buy tesla it works atleast,amirite?Its not like in Asia they have fucking megawatt+ grid reactors made from fuel cell, i am sure it doesnt work.

I would own a Tesla not because of stupid enviroment shit but because it has great mileage. You can literally drive for hundreds of kilometers on a single battery.

the point is that batteries are not a pollution-free power source you filthy kraut shit, unlike what you and ever other brainlet like to claim.

>literal free fuel
You have to pay to make hydrogen, one way or the other. Cars use up tons of energy, you can't economically make a system to produce enough hydrogen for your car using electrical power so you'll have to rely to chemical production, which is a lot more complicated.

Still a better alternative than electric considered that you can also convert older vehicle to use it and it doesn't use retarded batteries.
Fuel cell powered cars when?

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhm renewables

Even if this simplified picture represented all there is in the combustion vs electric debate, the electric woulds still win the "green" points simply by moving the smog out of living areas, behind the city.

touche faggot, fedora tipped!

"maybe 100 moving parts"

Ha ha ha, Larper. You don't know fuckall about electric cars.

Diesel engine: A bit more than 30%
Modern thermal powerplant: Around 40%

Comparing fuel efficiency doesn't account for the increased vehicle weight and manufacturing expense for electric cars

sans parler des minerai rare déja présent partout dans les batteries de nos nos ordinateurs de poche et qui risque de causer un sacré petit problème si on continu comme ça...

As already pointed out this cartoon is utter bullshit. The real issue here is that our power grid isn’t even close to being able to handle the large scale adoption of electric vehicles. Can you imagine the load on the grid of millions of electric car owners charging their cars every evening? There’d be rolling brownouts year round.

>combustion engine can only turn about 10% of the energy in the fuel into kinetic energy

My shitbox from early 00s have more than double that and is petrol powered.
Ford has a small turbocharged petrol engien that can reach near 40%.
Diesels been over 40% for a while now.
Why you lying Hans?

we should just put the power plants in space and then the shit would go into space and not earths air

This guy is real German. Not turkroach.

i dont care about the nigger en viorment jews can choke in nigger dicks i just want cheaper propellant

Thge enviorment is for retard nigger monkied we need spance

If the power comes from a clean source then its better

only nigger drive gas fumes

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>Quebec steals 99.7% of it's electricity from Ontario
ftfy

Never heard of hydro electric, nigger?

diesel != clean burning natural gas

stay underage you worthless trunmpcucks

Boy, you can make hydrogen with two wires and a fucking lemon.Go fuck yourself.

fuck you fleaf nigger i know ytou ARE A LARVE NIGGER SHUT THE RTFYCU UP NIGGER

I FUCK YOU BITCH WITH MY BLue ballss

>10%
you're full of shit, plus other factors, such as engine design; An inline 4 is not as mechanically efficient as an inline 6, which happens to be the most balanced of all cylinder configurations. Retards like you just throw out numbers, generally in this manner
>10% of all blah are bla bla bla
>90% of blah can't bla bla bla.
you can't cheat the universe out of a free ride. There is a price to pay for everything.

it's 20 degrees F outside, I have to travel thirty miles in a minute, I have 300 pounds of tools in the back of my truck. Kick rocks soy-boy.

gasoline is actually a by product of diesel.

dude....the thing coming out on top of nuclear reactors is water vapor -_-