What do you think about the harem genre?

What do you think about the harem genre?

Pretty retarded

>harem series
>no harem end

Is ok when the girl I like wins.

There's no middleground. I love it when it doesn't take itself seriously but I also love it when it takes itself completely seriously in its setting.

Flip flop between those two extremes and it'll usually be shit. And you might as well just fuck off if you don't plan on having a harem/omnibus end.

I dislike it because the main character often ends up with only one girl, instead of banging all the girls.

Best genre for those who enjoy the sensation of having blue balls

a harem can be good when its well setled and it doesnt try to satisfy everyone without doing something concrete

Is Persona 5's protagonist the best one yet?

he runs his harem efficiently

He has the best taste in girls but shit at managing his harme, since he get caught on valentines day. P3 and P4 fucks all the girls at the same time no problem.

The game punishes you if you go the harem route

It's shit.
>MC is usually either a wish fulfillment "alpha dog" character or a vapid self insert.
>Girls are basically ideal waifus than actual characters, which all happen to be wet for MC for 'being nice to be that one time' despite MC has a shit personality and is completely indecivise to the unrealistic levels (and when they lose, they are doomed to be lonely forever)
>Too much forced fanservice. It should come to the point that unintenional onsen/bathroom walk-ins and falling or someone's boobs and vagina with the exaggerated trite reactions should be an automatic minus.
>The first girl that appears first wins 95% of the time despite whatever chemistry or relationship building she has. What's the point of even having a harem if the girl don't have an equal chance to win? You might as well make it a romance comedy with the couple that will inevitably get together with the other girls as their friends. It's essentially the same shit without the forced 'I am in love with MC because he's the MC' wank bait.
>MC never gets in relationship with the girls during the series 90% of the time, and that 10% of the time, it's usually presented in a retarded way 95% of the time.
>rarely more than one girl wins.
>when the first girl appears in the series doesn't win, the girl who does usually have some fucking forgotten childhood promise or meeting that retroactively makes her the first girl MC met. It's so fucking retarded. The whole childhood bullshit needs to die in a fire and I blame Love Hina for this fucking shit being commonplace.

Not really, romance comedies when the main couple obviously has strong sexual attraction to each other but haven't got together or fucked yet is better and usually more enjoyable.

Fundamentally flawed for the most part.
The genre is all about a guy choosing between a bunch of girls but the story usually ends after he has chosen.
So the process of choosing is the basic principle of the genre and often enough it is artificially prolonged ad infinitum, be it by making the protagonist fucking stupid and indecidive or using more and more forced shit to hinder any kind of conclusion.
If that in itself wasn't sad enough it's usually obvious who will win from the very start so the competition is rigged and the whole thing becomes a retarded farce.

There are two exceptions though:
- The rare kind of true harem shows where the protag ends up with every girl at once.
- The fun harem that never even tries to create a pairing but just has a guy and a bunch of girls having fun and adventures.

Debatable. In P3 and 4, the MC's tend to be quite the pimpmeisters, although it can backfires in the case of P4.

In P5, Brojiro steals the game by being one of (if not the) the smoothest motherfucker to ever grace a Sup Forumsidya. Combine it with a MC who tend to be quite the pimp himself, and it leads to one of the most funny moments of the game during Valentines day.

Also, Futaba cutest girl.

That sucks so OP is him getting caught?

more importantly can he make a come back? reverse Slinks are a bitch

Mah homie. She had the best gift too.

P4 MC's gets punished the hard way for going full Ottoman. P5 got his ass backed by Sojiro.

Also, I forgot
>the recent gay option that is not really an option where the MC would just have awkward boners over a trap or some bi/gay dude there to moon over the MC to show how desirable the MC is that even men for him even though he is never a serious contender in the first place.

He gets caught and ends up alone. Harems are a meme. Thats why you go with one girl only.

Good harem shows:
- Ichiban Uchirou no Daimaou
- Trinity Seven
- Saekano
- Probably a few others
Bad harem shows:
- Oreimo
- Inifinite Stratos
- Love Hina
- all that other crap

This. More harems need to end with a big wedding.

Are there any harems where the MC ditched the girls in order to go full gay?

>Love Hina
>Bad

Anime-only faggots get out

It established the prototypical violent tsundere archetype, it is bad, bad as fuck.

Manga is retarded once it goes down the Nisekoi route.

>Love Hina
>good

Love Hina is the reason for modern harem mc's who get beaten by his harem. It's garbage.

Did the feminist infect Persona this sounds like bullshit in comparison to the other games

But it's realistic

like that "good/bad tsundere" pic

the trick is they're all bad

>not knowing what a good tsundere is

DAL is great

>Good harem shows:
>- Saekano
God that shit is so predictable and boring. It's only worthy for your slut pantyhose.

Love hinas mc is a retard. Anime and manga doesn't make a difference. He deserves to be cucked just like the mc of Oh my goddess.

Harems vary wildly from excellent to utter shit, but the average is way down towards the bad end for a huge number of reasons, and the better shows are often buried or forgotten in the face of the masses of crap.

P5 romance routes were made a million times better than previous games.

>This vicious task force is locked and loaded, ready to exterminate Spirits with extreme prejudice. But this violent method is not for Shidou. He discovers the one way to neutralize these Spirits peacefully: make them fall in love. Now, it's up to Shidou to save the world by dating those who threaten to destroy it!
This sounds so retarded it actually might be good.

worst genre ever

-its entire premise is based on fanservice of having multiple girls
-guys usually have no libido which usually undermines said fanservice and no personality which undermines their supposed relatability
-harem suffer from "too many characters syndrome" and are thus flat as a pancake
-unlikable tsundere bitch
-annoying female lead (at times when the tsundere bitch isn't the lead)
-drama that really doesn't go anywhere
-no good explanation why the harem is after the MC's cock
-nowadays based on a crappy webnovel or VN that doesn't really have a story

even then it originally got me into anime

pic unrelated

fight me.

Takao a cute!

It is bad.
>Naru is unnecessarily violent over the stupidest of shit
>one of the worthwhile conflicts between Keitarou and Naru was Keitarou wanting to keep his childhood promise and his growing feelings for Naru. Let's shit over that with Naru being one of the girls he promised to go to TouDai and destroy a decent plot narrative for cliche bullshit
>the fact the second half was a rehash and all of a sudden all of the girls fall for Keitarou
>Keitarou becomes a Seto clone so Naru's unrequited feelings weren't pointless!

Love Hina was decent until the childhood promise reveal bullshit.

The early Arc are pretty good then it stalls and the later arc make it interesting again

Say P5 comes out. Who is the canon girl? Ann or Makoto?

What are the chances that the girls force a harem end on Kazama, like the end of Fujimura-kun Mates.

Almost always awful. I can't recall a single harem with more than three girls that wasn't irredeemable shit.

Ideally it should just be two, three tops. Any more and you're way too deep into "male power fantasy" mode. I'm a hardass so I don't even like them if they're really absurd and comical like To Love-Ru.

The best ones are when there is an actual story purpose or justification for the harem OR if it's just two or three girls interested in the same person without a bunch of stupid antics between them.

Trips of Truth.

>Keitarou becomes a Seto clone so Naru's unrequited feelings weren't pointless!

This right here fucking annoyed me and I couldn't understand why nobody thought it was strange that he literally turned into a younger, dopier version of him, so Naru pretty much hit the fucking jackpot.

>making Futaba cry
Fuck you you fucking fuck.

How does that scene happen?

Be a player and play all the girls.

Romance everyone and choose to hang out with Ryuji on Valentine's Day.

Comedy is the only anime genre that isn't 90% irredeemable shit and 10% okay at best. Except for "serious anime with serious themes", but they stopped making it last decade.

How does that make sense? Aren't they mad at you because they saw you with a girl the day before? Did they mistake ryuji for a bottom bitch or something?

>Did they mistake ryuji for a bottom bitch or something?
Yes, somehow.

I like full on harem where the show goes mad with it, girls physically fighting over the man, spying when he goes on dates with other girls, insane jealousy and absurd schemes to get his affection. I don't really care if it's just hinted at, in this case I'd rather the show didn't have any harem element to get in the way of whatever the main plot it.

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There won't be a canon girl because the romance doesn't play into the story at all. Romance affects LITERALLY one conversation in the entire story and it's all the way at the end.

Pretty sure they're more angry about you not hanging out with them. I don't remember the exact dialogue. It's pretty funny if they mistake Ryuji for a chick, though.

I don't bother if it's not porn.

Umi no misaki ends with an harem

best girl makoto

The problem is that harems are mostly written by Japanese people to appeal to other Japanese people in a market that puts relating to a character over idealism.
It creates a problem where the MC gaining his harem makes little to no sense when he's just doing generic nice things and then being a nervous wreck who is afraid of that mean and nasty sex.
A good harem is one where the MC likes all the girls, earned them through merit as well as being kind, and who isn't afraid of romance.
Things Japanese writers rarely understand.

Is Sugisaki the best harem mc?

How low does your self-esteem have to be to be remotely content in being part of a harem?

I feel like every harem story should last for about five chapters before the parties involved slap the shit out of the protagonist and tell him to stop fucking around decide already. In the best case scenario those people are just being strung along, it's completely retarded. I don't care how thirsty you are for protag dick.

Futaba is reddit tier
They can work it out

Whats this?

>Reddit tier
But that's Makoto user

>the fact the second half was a rehash and all of a sudden all of the girls fall for Keitarou

no there was actually development there
I mean Shinobu, Mutsume, and Suu liked him from the start, Motoko had chapters/episodes build up, whole series focused on Naru's and Keitaro's relationship, and Kitsune stayed neutral

all the other stuff is spot on though

but I liked LH BECAUSE they aren't all for their dick from the word go (though the fact he had to be a Seta clone is annoying).

The thing about harem girls is that they are based on pets. Lot of anime girls of various genres are but harems are the most. It's not as much low self esteem as much as master/pet-type co-dependency.

It explains the appeals of things like cat girls, why tsunderes are so popular (they are rebellious at first but you can fix them), why harem girls are into them for merely being nice (pets tend to like you when you are nice to them too), and even why the MC isn't fucking them (you wouldn't fuck your pets, would you?).

It's shit.

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If it's a 12/24 episode show the number of girls/guys should be at most 3. Anything more is a good sign most of the time to drop.

Story really seems to push you towards Makoto by the plot. She's next to MC-kun in all the cutscenes, the lead up to her joining the PT, that little incident in Sojiros house, her entire plotline consisting of pretending to be her boyfriend, etc

hell yeah

Of course.

Why so you think he ends up alone? You still get vday with the girl you pick and sojiro says he smooths things over for you. So he's still good at the end of the day.

Harem's are absolutely haram

To be honest, that's fair. I think harem should be a reward for how much effort you're willing to put into effectively pulling it off. It isn't easy. If you can't hack it, focus on one girl.

Persona is reddit tier.

That's an interesting idea that I'll reflect on. It also explains why I like both simple harem characters as well as cute animals.

Does Seto no Hanayome count as a Comedy/Harem? There's clearly one main girl so maybe not
One of the only times I liked the "wimpy protagonist" archtype partly because he significantly mans up over the course of the series

Hardly. The "punishment" is right near the end of the game + your s.links aren't reversed like in previous games so the ending is exactly the same. Technically you get more content out of the game if you go harem route. The valentine scene you would get is really fucking insignificant and brief for most of the chicks compared to other events with those girls.

Its just a name to refer to it. "Comedy" doesn't meant what it meant 1000 years ago and we still use that term.

All the anime industry is blue balls right now, no matter the genre. We only barely see the beginning of the stories, but never how they continue.

You can watch more anime original stuff if you feel like you're stuck in that particular rut.

Sae

I for one nominate the idea of a Uppers style harem anime where the MC is fighting to impress chicks and get their phone numbers

Really they don't reverse?

fuck it harem route it is

It's at the end of the game so even if they did reverse it'd mean nothing really.

>reverse Slinks are a bitch
What the fuck are you talking about, you literally can't go to an dungeon at that point of the game.
Stop talking with your mouth full of shit if you don't know anything about it, fucking nigger.

The attendant(s).

They're more mad that you don't answer their messages and yet you've been seen hanging out with someone.

Lovers arcana is always canon

calm down brah

No fuck off

I'm not a muslim so, don't like it