I’m really torn about Islam. On one hand it’s disgusting, calls for the murder of non-believers...

I’m really torn about Islam. On one hand it’s disgusting, calls for the murder of non-believers, killing yourself to go to paradise with virgins, and most Americans think Islam is a plague. On the other hand every muslim I’ve heard speak talks about how the quran is taken out of context and that isis is an enemy to islam, just using islam to draw people in. I wish I could sit down with a muslim and ask these questions to see if Islam really is as awful as Americans make it out to be. What are your thoughts Sup Forums

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It's a lot like Christianity, the only difference is it's about five centuries behind because of the development levels of the parts of the world where it's predominant. They're not lying to you, the Quran has all those parts about peace and shit just like the Bible. But it also has those disgusting parts, like the Bible.

Most of those peaceful Muslim types that you encounter are probably perfectly normal people who are generally peaceful that don't want to believe their religion is flawed, just like everyone else. There's no reason to hate Islam in particular but we should definitely be wary of it, it's undeniable that there are violent Islamists who cannot be tolerated. But if you're going to dismiss Islam entirely then you're going to have to do Christianity for basically the same reasons.

Suicide bombing had been completely forbidden until the clergy of Iran, egged on by Syrians, required it to further their political motivations.
Political motivations directly relating to western imperialism in the region.

Yeah, but I think Jesus never claerly stated to slay all unbelievers, wherever they hid, I think he said this :
"For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God."
And don't forget that Jesus was a big fan of choosing to have faith in God, instead of forcing you into slavery to Him.

I am torn about islam, too. For example they preach modesty, marriage etc., which is a good thing. But on the other hand it's ridiculous to put woman in burkas, allow multiple underaged wifes etc.
Islam has it's qualities and flaws.

In my opinion, Islam is nothing else than a cheap and manipulated copy of the Holy Bible. To be fair, I haven't read the Quran, but as far as I know, the core teaching is not positive as it is in the bible, which was preached by Jesus Christ. And that was Love and Salvation.

fpbp

>Haven't read the Quran
Read in faggot, it's the only thing you need to realize Muhammad was a batshit insane world-conquering sex fiend.

I can't respond in detail, but basically Islam is split between many different sects, ISIS and the like are Sunni, they're the niggers of Islam, the Shia are the other predominate sect and they cause relatively little trouble, there are several other sects I can't get into right now. Islam is considered by Muslims to be the third and final installment of the three Abrahamic religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, Muslims revere both Moses and Jesus as prophets like Muhammed. The Quran is split into two parts: Before Muhammad's conquest of Arabia and after. All the verses that are positive are found before and all the quotes about submission, terror and murder are found after. ISIS practices a literal interpretation of the Quran and the Sunnah called Wahabism/Salafism, every act they commit is inspired by Islamic teachings and jurisprudence and since it all comes directly from the Quran and Sunnah and precedents set by Islamic legal and theological scholars there's really no way to deny that they are true Muslims, Islam is antithetical to the Western way of life, our traditions, and our values, I have to go now, if you have more questions, ask and I'll answer when I get back

Islamic extremism is a modern problem rooting from the internal political affairs of Turkey, Iran, Saudi and the attempts to create a more stable state(against ones enemies especially Israel), which unfortunately the religion have a lot of problem with, since it havent reformed to fit into the modern nation-state ideas.
All attempts to reform the faith have failed, often due to outside intervention and global politics.
Christianity would have the same problem if not so closely linked(and reformed) to the West's progress and modern state-building.

A "sex fiend" who

- remained monogamous till the age of 50. (Died < 65)
- initially married an older woman
- had only 7 children (3 sons died at an early age) from 2 wives out of 11-13
- All of his wives were either widows or divorcees except for Ayshah

Makes you think doesn't it? Plus there was no birth control back then so now you tell me what the fuck was going on? Anal?

>Christianity would have the same problem
Ah, no.
The Papacy, the Orthodox Patriarchate, and the Protestant churches have shown time and time again that they could accept and adapt the social and scientifical changes that brought progress, because at the core, the christian faith revolve around platonicism and stoicism philosophical concepts, which state that, as God is the most righteous being on this plane, He wouldn't, on a whim, break any rules pertaining to the physical world, and let us do our own choices, while on the other hand Islam states that the world belongs ultimately to God and that no rule, however important, can't be broken or created by Him on a whim.

>he believes this

I appreciate the detail and explanations anons. Another thing the west insists is that muslim women that are raped have to remain silent about it, and if anyone finds out they will be stoned to death. Any truth behind it?

Considering your long time traditions of holding slaves as well as "animal companions", I wouldn't be surprised.
Admit it, Mohammad saw Satan in that cave, hence why so much of his faith is paradoxal, chaotic and hostile.

Maybe his seed was impure and he could not make babbies but he got cucked a few times by his guards.
Islamicucks.

>at the age of 50 he married a 6 year old Aisha
>3 years later he consummated the marriage

I'd assume it is true unless shown otherwise. Muslim women have to stay silent in many parts of the world because if they speak up then they'll be killed for having sex out of wedlock.

Rape is only take seriously of there are 4 male witnesses

I agree with the difference in theological concepts but my point was that if it wouldn't have become influential with the Romans and have the institutions behind it(Papacy, etc) it may have remained a small minority sect without powerful institutions.
It is strange though, Islam should be better suited as a system of governance as the faith regulates it more.
Question is what is the Hen and what is the Egg, institutions or faith..

*only taken seriously when there are 4 male witnesses

>All of his wives were either widows or divorcees
yeah, because he killed their husbands at one instance he beheaded a woman's husband, and forced her to become his concubine, the same night

the word islam has many translations. peace is one of them also is submission. thats islams main problem. if you read the quran you immediately will understand that it is more like a book about the events of mentaly ill merchant from the arabian dessert. it mirrors how muhammed lived. being a peaceful preacher and than becoming a tryanical ruler who doenst stick to his own rules. beheads people has more than 4 wifes, rapes children ( aysha with 9 years ). it also is a collection of all the religions in the area.

Radical muslims blow up, rape and kill people. Moderate muslims shout and scream NOT ALL MUSLIMS STOP BEING RACIST LOVE TRUMPS HATE #NOTALLMUSLIMS whenever group A does their shit.

They're a pox on the planet along with all other abrahamic religions.

The Arabic word is "Islam." This is not the same as "peace," which is salaam.

*The Arabic word "Islam." means submission

>But on the other hand it's ridiculous to put woman in burkas, allow multiple underaged wifes etc.

How is it ridiculous to put your wives into burkas?

If you are Christian, isn't putting your wives into burkas just helping out your fellow Christian men? You know as well as I do that men are lusty beasts. Thinking about how you'd like to fuck your neighbor's wife's ass is just as much a sin as actually fucking your neighbor's wife's ass. Putting your beautiful wife into protective clothes to hide that beautiful form, which only you and she are allowed to enjoy together under the holy matrimony of God, means you are helping your fellow men NOT sin.

Furthermore, it cannot be ridiculous to have multiple wives.

So the only bad part is what? Having underage girls as wives? This I will give you. But what does the Bible say is underaged? And do you even understand why they took in underaged girls into the household?

In this modern age, we do not need multiple wives. We can enjoy living as a nuclear family easily, rather than living in a large multi-generational family unit together. But you should be careful in what you specify as being poor or degenerate, as so much is shared between Christianity and Muslim faiths. That's because Mohammed copied the holy teachings of Christianity as known and practiced at that time, and then added his own stuff on top of that.

read the quran yourself soyboy

>That's because Mohammed copied the holy teachings of Christianity as known and practiced at that time, and then added his own stuff on top of that.
Wrong
1. Creation: The biblical Genesis account says God created all in six days (see Genesis 1:1 - 2:2). The Quran, however, has a real problem here as Surah 41:9, 10, 12 have a total of eight days of creation (4+2+2=8) Meanwhile, Surah 10:3 gives the total number of days of creation as six. This is a problem of self-contradiction.

2. Pharaoh: According to the Quran (Surah 7:120-125) Pharaoh used crucifixion in dealing with the sorcerers - a practice which historical evidence gives no precedent to before the Babylonian Empire. This is once again a problem of historical compression.

3. The Golden Calf: According to the Quran (Surah 20:90-100)a Samaritan helped the Israelites build the golden calf, and it mooed after coming out of the fire. In reality, Samaritans did not exist as a people until at least 1000 years after the time of the Moses and the Israelite exodus from Egypt. Again a problem of historical compression.

4. Judaism: According to the Quran (Surah 9:30) the Jews believe that Ezra is the Son of God - the Messiah. This never has been a tenet of Judaism. This is a clear problem of distorted knowledge of other religions and historical fact.

5. Alexander the Great: According to the Quran (Surah 18:89-98) Alexander the Great was a devout Muslim and lived to a ripe old age. Historical records however show that Alexander the Great died young at 33 years of age (b. 356 B.C. - d. 323 B.C.), and believed he was divine, forcing others to recognize him as such. In India on the Hyphasis River (now Beas) Alexander erected twelve altars to twelve Olympian gods. Once again the Quran shows errors in historical and religious fact.

6. The Trinity: According to the Quran (Surah 5:116, 5:73-75) the Christians believe in "three Gods" - Father, Mother, and Son. This shows the influence of heretical 'Christian' sects in central Arabia at the time of Muhammad. In contrast, Christianity has always distinctly stated that the Trinity is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The teaching of the Quran on the Trinity has undoubtedly led to confusion among many Muslims on what the Bible (and thus Christianity) teaches about the Triune God.

7. Mary: According to the Quran (Surah 19:28, 3:33-36), Mary, the mother of Jesus, was the daughter of Imran or Amram, the father of Moses and Aaron. Mary is also said to be the sister of Moses and Aaron. Clearly Muhammad confused Mary with Miriam.
A second interesting point about Mary is the story of the date palm speaking and offering its fruit to her (Surah 19:23). This legend is easily traced to similar legends found in the apocryphal "Protoevangelium of James" the "Pseudo-Matthew" and "the Gospel of the Nativity of Mary" all of which have been dated to the fourth to sixth centuries, and were again believed by the sects found in Arabia. (More indepth information on Quranic sources may be found in Rev. W. St. Clair Tisdall's The Religion of the Crescent).

8. Textual Variants in the Quran: Many Muslims claim that the Quran today is identical to the revelations received by Muhammad. However, there is overwhelming unanswered evidence to the contrary. This includes evidence of variations both prior to, and after Uthman.

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>have the institutions behind it(Papacy, etc) it may have remained a small minority sect without powerful institutions
But that would have never happened, because Jesus made his Apostles, specifically Peter (well, according to catholics, anyways) the basis of his Church.
Meaning it was, from the beginning, an institution, not just a system of belief.
>It is strange though, Islam should be better suited as a system of governance as the faith regulates it more.
Historically, it has been. But the problem came with the succession crisis of Muhammad, first and foremost, afterward the industrialization, which made traditionalist countries following Islam incredibly vulnerable to european conquest, and finally the influence from colonization which brought social upheaval (nu-lite-Islam).
From the moment someone somewhere stepped out of the Middle Ages and accepted to use the scientifical method, which the Imams do not recognize as a valid method of scientific discovery, unlike Quranic studies (hence why their technology, without europeans, barely evolved beyond primitive firearms), Islam was fucked.
The only problem now is that they breed like rabbits unlike us and that we've grown complacent as this world's superpowers.
Rome is falling once more.

>your prophet
I'm not Muslim but nice try tho.

So ass is ok, but pussy isn't. Thanks for clearing that up.

And how can we forget that Koran claims that Christians are wrong in their knowledge of Jesus, Koran claims he was neither crucified, nor killed, but rather he ascended

Nigger please--- we know what kind of birth control that Cleopatra used, and we know it was extremely good because it's been tested in labs. Cleaopatra was centuries before the Prophet, so rich human women most likely found even better ways to insure they only had children when they wanted to.

It is the poor women who suffered due to a lack of extremely good, cheap birth control at the time. I don't recall the Prophet was said to be screwing the poor women of the day. And any wife of his was not poor, as his household was never poor.

While even roman records from Pilate's time in governance state that he was indeed crucified in an unusual way; that is, crucified not with his hands and legs attached to the cross, but nailed there.

Are you nitpicking? So the Koran doesn't start with Adam and Eve? How much of it is the same or very similar? And that is the point. So they alter a bit here and there. That doesn't invalidate my point.

It was normal to marry children.

The Koran says he waited until she was nine.

A man cannot rape his own wife, ever, back then. That's a modern change to traditional life.

There's plenty to pick on if you want to pick on people, just realize that it will apply to most of the humans and their own cultures, whether pagan, degenerate, or "proper" when you are looking back in history.

>How is it ridiculous to put your wives into burkas?
It's ridiculous, because it's extreme. Giving woman free choice about their appereance, teaching them about modesty is in my opinion the right way, while Islam would force a complete potatoe-bag on a woman, reaveling only her eyes.

Modesty means, that a christian woman would have a visible face, but wouldn't dress in tight clothes, nor reveal much skin. This wouldn't feed the lust of men and would give woman more freedom. Also there is a biological reason behind that (sun -> heat amd sweat/vitamin D) etc. but i am not going into details here.

And if a woman decides to wear short dresses, she would be outcast/critized/teached by her community/society. By that, if she experiences rejection due to her slutty dresscode, she would change her mind to belong to her group again, since humans are social beings.

This is the probelm in our society - promiscuity, slutty behaving is encouraged, while modesty is rejected.

I am not going into the rest of your post, because it's too much. Just a short note here: It is ridiculous to have multiple wives, because a stable relationship, family and healthy children result from monogamy. If you have multiple wives, you can't bond as strong to a woman, as if you have just one wive. Multiple wives would cause problems like envy, confussion. Btw, it's said woman are crazy and men having problems to deal with them. If you can't handle one, why would you want many of them? ;D

It's less about Christian doctrine and more about culture. Christians used to be much more devout, but 400 years of Liberalism and 150 years of Marxism have eroded that. Islam never went through that process so despite its many flaws it retains the innate health of a religion better.

The point was to show the clear inconsistencies of the Quran, unlike the Bible, to which there is at least circumstantial evidences acknowledged, if not real truth unveiled, in each of the texts of both the Old and the New Testament.
According to this version of the Quran, it would have been more likely that Muhammad copied from hearsay what he haerd about Christianity, Alexander, Judaism and the rest, rather than have had these informations revealed by an angel.
The other theological explanation is that Mohammad was visited by a powerful demon who deliberately told him false information on each subject, but just enought hat it'd be credible for the masses.

I dont know about other parts of the world, but coming from an Islamic country with civil law and partial shariah, I can attest that stoning is not performed (at least in the area I live)

Women under Islam are protected while being subjected like private property. Its like your private parts, its yours and you will not allow others to touch it. Rape is dealt accordingly, usually just like west country, no stoning here, they are free to report, no need 4 witness etc.

Stoning to death are practiced mostly due to regional culture, in my area its never practiced at all, it is Muslim law but in these modern day, humanity do have it say and it not applied. Fornication is also prohibited, instead of stoned and lashes, we now fine them. Most muslim will digress this but have to accept it, we use a heavy fine for that.

To apply stoning and other Islamic law, hudud law should be applied, this require entire country fully subjected to Islam and agree on that law. In my country shariah only applied to Islamic marriage (full) and wills and property (optional), while other crime are dealt using civil law.

The west are skeptical to Islam and further bite the bait of some (((people))) with agenda.

It was more of a teorethical example. Of course is the Church of Christ biblical.
A problem with Islam is, as you say, closely knitted to the succession crisis which forms the different islamic sects. However the main issue with Islam is that it perpetuates clan-life and is only monotheistic de jure, not de facto(Kabaa, Satanic Verses).
Also ungodly practices, such as polygamy and executions for apostacy.
So the culture in which the faith develops in remains a large factor(clan vs family, jewish monotheism vs arabic polyteism). Probably the main factor why Rome is falling again, the culture have been perverted. And perverts the faith.

>The west are skeptical to Islam and further bite the bait of some (((people))) with agenda.

really ?
so you're saying The Koran doesn't want me dead unless i become a dhimmi or convert ?

oops, was meant for

Actions speak louder than words user. Most are complicit and have no intenion of reform. The goal is to get everyone else to fall in their own sword.

thanks for ur info user, i just want to know the truth that is not propagated by the American media

Look, i don't either have a problem with "normal" muslims who most likely have never even read the Koran and the fact, that pointed out they don't practice stoning doesn't make it magically disappear from Islam and the Koran itself

I don't know about you guys, but from what I've read about Dhimmis in the Quran, it looks a lot like racketeering.
Usually the only way remaining to pay your tax money (which keeps augmenting the more and mroe this the territory you live in has been under Islamic Law) is to convert to Islam, much like a victim would be forced to coerce in criminal activities.

Just read it yourself you fat, lazy retard.

Set up a bunch of strawmen and knock them down ITT
>Every Islam thread
>A Slocuckian even, subhanallah

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>Duhhhhh sounds like a protection racket to me

Westernized Muslims vs Radicalized... If westernized muslims werent such pussies they could bring about religious reform... but they are all really noice goys, so they would never

Islam does not want you to be dead, what kind of religion is that (except Jews) ?

Islam way go like this...
Hey come join Islam. No ? Ok. You have to pay Jizyah tax cause this is Islamic country (currently no Islamic country do this). (Ignore is non Hudud/Islamic)
Please dont throw shit stuff to mosque. What ? you want a temple ? Ok, please far away a bit, so we can park our cars and the incense dont smell too much.

Actual Islam are tolerable and it really pain us Muslim to see ISIS and the suicide bomber killings, they wont go to heaven, forever, no purgatory for them.

So you are pissing and moaning about the difference between a few inches of fabric then? You support women dressing in najib, hajib, a Shayla, a Khimar, and a Chador, but not the same thing with a couple more inches of fabric, the burka? Fine. Most people on Sup Forums wouldn't recognize the difference between them, glad to see you can.

But you think a woman should be shamed. So you support Vice police, who go around and help the community maintain a proper state? You need something like that, once a society's living unit becomes too big for the local circle of women to keep each other in line through social shaming.

Nigger, did you just make the argument that a child cannot emotionally bound strongly to his (or her) grandmother and grand father because their will be too many people around?

Or did you just make the claim that a man or woman cannot love more than one person?

Are you unaware that in most polygamous households where it is one man and multiple women, that the women arrange the domestic affairs of the house, including whose turn it is to be with the husband?

Women have no trouble bounding together into small units that share the male. It is the most natural thing to primates and that includes humans. And women get jealous of their own mothers and daughters. It's just how they are. Having friends to share the joys and pains of their household just makes them happy, even in modern times. Look at most familiers where a sister or mother has moved in with them, and compare their happiness to those who are a solo wife. Tagging in an addition wife is a bit more bothersome than having a sister live in the house, but the amount of jealousy stays the same, because there will be times the wife is jealous the sister doesn't have to put up with the husband's "attentions" and there will be times she's jealous and worried about losing attention to her sister (from them just talking).

>What are your thoughts Sup Forums

the quran and talmud are both horrific writings.

and both require adherents to lie to outsiders to hide just how horrific they are.

arabs and jews are the same thing, and don't trust either one.

Does anyone ITT understand the Dinner?
How about the cryprojewish Saudi royal family that's paid to promote a nonsensical heresy that leans heavily on a cryptognostic from Harran?
Jews sure did a number on Western critical thought while they promoted wahhabism.
Only difference is that impoverished Muslims weren't making claims of being ultra rational geniuses
>I haven't read the Quran and studied it's context I'm so smart I don't need to. I'll rely on Jewish media hearsay instead!

Dönmeh* autocorrect

Muslim here. We get it when people are disgusted with us. But the common reaction for westerners is to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
What I don't get is why white men reject Islam when it has the only hope for them to restore patriarchy to the west. Why do you people want to stay cucked to feminism so badly?

You are correct, but not westernized muslim, liberal muslim :)
I dont see these liberal muslim going revolt or do anything, so, please bombs away those ISIS

Muhammad may shit be apon him was a total reatrd.

>Islam does not want you to be dead
>But Islam is tolerable
Sorry to break it to you pal, but that's not what Koran says
Koran specifically says to Kill All unbelievers in numerous verses (and to behead them in 2 verses)
here's 2 of them
9:29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

5. Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
>Mushrikun means all unbelievers, pagans, christians, jews etc)
now onto the beheadings of Infidels

4. So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire) or at least come under your protection], but if it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost,

Donmeh are the Crypto-Jews of Turkey. Officially they are practicing Muslims, but in reality they maintain their own society. They were the leaders of The Young Turks who slaughtered the Christian populations of Anatolia and deposed the Caliph who brought order to Sunni Islam.

Salam aleikum akhi, white revert here
>Oh no I'm so cucked I'm allowed my pick of virtuous women who want to have children oh noooooooo

This is Sup Forums. Most of the people here are just talking out their asses.

Islam is a great fix for the woes of Western society. As is a more traditional times of Christian believing Western society of just 100 years ago. Which way to go doesn't matter though--- unless you can take over the teaching of the schools and take over the majority of media to teach and project that. Which ever wins will chase out the current degeneracy of western society.

>Islam way go like this...
>Hey come join Islam. No ? Ok. You have to pay Jizyah tax cause this is Islamic country (currently no Islamic country do this). (Ignore is non Hudud/Islamic)
>Please dont throw shit stuff to mosque. What ? you want a temple ? Ok, please far away a bit, so we can park our cars and the incense dont smell too much.
Islam goes like this.
>"Convert or be subjugated."
>"What's that, you haven't converted? You better pay your tax so that you contribute to the Dar'Al'Islam too, kuffar, or we'll break your neck."
>"What's beyond the House of Islam, you ask? The House of War. Why? Because we'll bring it to them along with the worship of the One, Insh'Allah!"
>"You want a church, infidel? We'll just make your church pay the dhimmi tax too. Double the fee. Hope you like donating, hahahah."
>"P.-S. pay for the church yourself, we're busy buying slaves for our harems atm."
>"What's that, physics? Absolutely useless, by Allah, since He will make favour us whatever the laws of this world dictate."
>"An apostate? Removing his corrupt head from his shoulder will purify his body."
>"A man-lover? Throw him from the highest place. Allah does not want to recognize who this body belonged to."
>"Rape? There's no rape if there aren't four male witnesses."
>"What's that, the only witnesses were the rapists? That's what you get, lying viper of a woman!"

here's the second beheading
8:12. (Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes."

"Westernized muslims" are muslims which haven't read the Quran in its entirety.

>Mushrikun means whatever I, a slocuck, want it to mean
>Has his life run by Satan worshippers, is ok with it

>On the other hand every muslim I’ve heard speak talks about how the quran is taken out of context
Believers of Islam are directed to lie to non-believers.

If a muslim shithead says something to you, and you're not a muslim shithead, assume it's a lie.

Islam is a death cult, and WILL be stamped out. It's incompatible with civilization and only brings death, poverty and misery wherever it goes.

If you like global shitskin conquest then mudslimes are a-ok. Jews like them too outside Israel.

>On one hand it’s disgusting, calls for the murder of non-believers
Isn't that what the Deus Vult larpers fantasize about? The only difference is Muslims are actually willing to go through with it.
>killing yourself to go to paradise with virgins
Sacrificing yourself, which seems like a useful tool for society, if you die for the cause you get a great reward.

>And don't forget that Jesus was a big fan of choosing to have faith in God, instead of forcing you into slavery to Him.
Yeah kind of a dick condemning billions to hell instead of forcing them to convert.

This is a good example of a muslim shithead lying to non-muslims.

But it also states that Jews and Christians are people of the book, and therefore should be spared from such behaviors. That's the part that gets lost.

Pagans? Fuck them up, proper. Christians? Wait a second--- they are practically Muslims. They are just 1 small step away from the complete proper beliefs, and therefore they should not be treated like non-believers.

Arabs and Jews have been fighting since before either had found any religion other than ancestor worship. So it is understandable that muslim arabs hate the jews. It's all just built up blood debts between them.

Walaikumsalaam ameribro. Basically what you said.
On one hand this board complains about the white birthrate and on the other, they want to "SHUT-IT-DOWN" Islam. It's like Turd Flinging Monkey says (a MGTOW youtuber), we have all the solutions but people want to remove all the possible solutions to their problems and then ask you how to solve all the problems with any other methods, because 'those' are too much for people to stomach.
Ironically I wouldn't even bother to advise you guys to look into Islam if it weren't for the fact that Christianity is absolutely and utterly compromised, like 100%.
Christianity has no sense of patriarchy left in it whatsoever, merely a shell of it which is why there is a Pope. But take one look at the guy and you see a nigger-toe-sucking cuck.

Get to work then, there's more Muslims than there's ever been.
Oh, you're too comfy with your consumer electronics.
So sad.

It is disgusting and you don't need it for traditional conservative. Note the operative word. Conservative values are traditional and Islam is not traditional in the western world.
It's fucking stupid and hypocrisy at its finest. Good thing they have the law of abrogation :^)

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Well, Muslims seem to think more highly of Jesus than Orthodox Jews do.

Assuming I haven't. Shut the fuck up, NEET, you know the only thing you're impregnating is the family dog. You're the reason why Islam is winning in Europe, weak soyboys like you.

Mushrikun means heathen.
Literally anyone who doesn't swear to serve Allah is a mushrikun, except if he pays the protection tax.

>traditional
That word has no real meaning in the West anyway, not anymore. What you need to question is whether the traditions of Islam are compatible with what you think are the traditions of the West.

youtube.com/watch?v=HoN80r6qPhg
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Skip ahead 5 minutes to dodge the book sale.

>You're the reason why Islam is winning in Europe, weak soyboys like you.
Wtf kind of logic is this? Are you blaming Islam for European men being soyboys? That's just ridiculous and typical of /r/the_cuck.

It has been deleted. Imajun muh shok

look at it this way, in islamic countries women know their place and men never get cucked.

It was their choice not to live a life of righteousness,
That's the whole point of Christianity; there will be retribution for the wicked, and rewards for the righteous.
Islam only views Allah as righteous, while all are wicked until they serve Him. That means that whatever you do, as long as you follow Islamic Law, you're righteous, even if you're a mass-murderer, a chronic rapist, a man with three wives and a harem of slaves, a man who tortures, a man who treats his subordinate like shit, a man that is literally a criminal by every other philosophical/theological/legal standards.

It's JIDF to be honest. They play all the sides but know Muslims are aware of their tricks. It's why they had to spend centuries undermining the Ottomans and spreading filth doctrine. Now they've got internet mouth breathers readily repeating "Islam says lie to the disbelievers" despite:
"And do not mix the truth with falsehood or conceal the truth while you know" (2:42)
It's like we're not supposed to perform Dawah. They're too lazy to educate themselves, they'll read (((Daniel Pipes))) and (((Pamela Gellar))) talking points eagerly though.

I'm an American and I'm the reason "Islam is winning in Europe?"
Alhamdulilah

>That word has no real meaning in the West
You're basically saying the west has no traditions and then telling me to go with my feelings on what western traditions are and comparing them to islam. That's fucking retarded. Are you retarded?

No, because of people like you.

Words mean things, dummy.

But clearly 2nd grade English was a struggle for you.

No he's Jewish, which is worse, actually.

now onto Muslim supremacy and the inferiority of Non-Muslims
read the verse 2:105
back to the subject at hand

9. Is one who is obedient to Allah, prostrating himself or standing (in prayer) during the hours of the night, fearing the Hereafter and hoping for the Mercy of his Lord (like one who disbelieves)? Say: "Are those who know equal to those who know not?" It is only men of understanding who will remember (i.e. get a lesson from Allah's Signs and Verses).

another lie, read the verse 9:30


>Muslim supremacy
3:110. You [true believers in Islamic Monotheism, and real followers of Prophet Muhammad and his Sunnah (legal ways, etc.)] are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin Al-Ma'ruf (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden), and you believe in Allah. And had the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) believed, it would have been better for them; among them are some who have faith, but most of them are Al-Fasiqun (disobedient to Allah - and rebellious against Allah's Command).

8:55. Verily, The worst of moving (living) creatures before Allah are those who disbelieve , - so they shall not believe.

98:6. Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur'an and Prophet Muhammad ) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.

No, I'm blaming EU soyboys for letting Islamic shitheads in, and letting them take over.

Words mean things. Next time, when you read words I post, try to understand what they mean. Ask if the bigger words are too challenging for you.

Just read the quran if you want to realize how insane it is. Reading the Torah is also a good way to realize how insane Judaism is.

Although nowhere does the Quran say that Allah loves those who don’t believe Muhammad, there are over 400 verses that describe the torment that he has prepared for people of other religions (or no religion):
And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers (3:85)
The relative worth of non-Muslims is that they are but fuel for the fire of Hell:
(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire (3:10 Shakir: "firewood of hell")
As they are fueling the fire, unbelievers will be tormented by Allah’s angels on his command:
“O ye who believe! Ward off from yourselves and your families a Fire whereof the fuel is men and stones, over which are set angels strong, severe, who resist not Allah in that which He commandeth them, but do that which they are commanded.” (66:6)
It doesn’t matter how many good deeds an unbeliever does, because they count for nothing with Allah:
The parable of those who reject their Lord is that their works are as ashes, on which the wind blows furiously on a tempestuous day: No power have they over aught that they have earned (14:18)
Shall we tell you of those who lose most in respect of their deeds? Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life, while they thought that they were acquiring good by their works? They are those who deny the Signs of their Lord and the fact of their having to meet Him (in the Hereafter): vain will be their works, nor shall We, on the Day of Judgment, give them any weight. That is their reward, Hell, because they rejected Faith, and took My Signs and My Messengers by way of jest. (18:103-106)

It's just an annoying religion. Im not even sure it's the most annoying. Religion is religion. Real stuff is real stuff.Sup Forums is retarded

I'm not converting, I'm not paying any form of persecutory tax, and my daughters and sisters and aunts aren't wear a burqa, ever, period.

Come at me bro.

The koran is satanic blasphemy and it needs to burned, along with it's mislead demonic followers.

Its the fire pit for you, kiddo.

my personal favourite torture bit
But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads, Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning. (22:19-22)

Islam is being shilled hard. Yesterday and this morning (GMT) under an Australian flag, today under a fake American flag.
What bothers me is that it is the same attack around the clock, it's been a 24 hour thing. So 12 hours ago it was a Australian flag but definitely not a real Oz poster saying
>Do feminists like Muslim men because they have got spine. Western men have become so weak, is that why feminists are attracted to Islam.
And this fake shit has been every couple of hours for 24 hours solid.
WARNING: This is not natural. I'm here every day, all day and this is a new form of creepiness.