One of the main questions that has kept me from being a white nationalist is that it seems the only way an ethnostate can be made is through violence and ethnic cleansings. How can one peacefully build and preserve an ethnostate without using unnecessary violence or a totalitarian government to spy on people
Inb4 nig gon nig and jew gon jew
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10% capita allowance of minority, also adjacent minority states being supported and equally supporting their neighboring white states.
So are you implying a libertarian right built ethnostate?
What's wrong with killing people that are killing you faggot
>that are killing you
Black people are killing people, but if we use a libertarian right system, we could establish peace, and frowned upon race mixing.
I like that idea
And somewhat. I just think if you use violence and ethnic cleansings to build one you've kind of lost the war. For example look at the 50s. Everytime I see someone mention how we should try to return to more 50s style lives they get bombarded with "So you think blacks should be discriminated" and "Muh civil rights".
Thats why I said unecessary violence
Many ways for one stop the kike and libshit left from stealing working peoples money.
Little victories first!
jews kill themselves, otherwise fat chance
ok i do agree with libertarian right aspect, but just for the sake of argument, couldn't we just co-exist in one country?
Nah, you guys know mass violence is the only feasible way to save this world you're just scared, gas the kikes race war now
IS there really a problem with all jews? I only see a problem with corp. jews, nothing else.
Moving to iceland???
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It's painful to admit but working with black nationalists is the only sensible thing to do. White nationalists and black nationalists technically want the same thing- separating the races.
Preserving it's easy - just don't let non-whites gain citizenship. Why the hell would you need government spying to do that?
Building it is where it gets tricky. We could all move to the northwest, but I don't want to give up a single damn inch of American soil to the commie bastards who are destroying out country. So here's what we do; we play the numbers game, and we play it long term. We end non-white immigration. We rebuild our Christian, patriarchal culture. Next we incentive childbirth with tax benefits, available only to whites, and then we remove the incentives we've given to nonwhite childbirth, ie welfare. We make exile a form of punishment and instead of sending inner city dindus to jail forever, we instead deposit them back home in Africa, where they should actually help increase the local average IQ. We'll also need to throw all the illegal Mexican invaders back over the border. If Mexico complains, we move the military to the border. No playing nice there.
Overall, we don't need 100% racial purity, we just need to set ourselves up so that the percentage of whites is going up. We can still keep the cool minority folks, as long as they're not overtaking whites then maintaining perhaps even as high as a 20% nonwhite population would be fine. Bottom line, we just need to remove the subversive elements and create a situation conducive to a stable white majority.
Says the repub larper defending kikes on Sup Forums
Or how about not resorting to nationalism, we have proofs that it's not working but everybody and their grandma is falling for it.
>they all go muh civil rights
Civil rights are a lie. The govermmemt doesn’t respect you’re rights. Just look at the patriot act. You know in your heart if you tried to go against the current, the government will use some trumped up charges to go after you, they’ll plant evidence, they use tactics like entrapment. Rights are an illusion to keep the goyim placated. Don’t bother trying to argue with the other side, very few people are open mindedness enough to be convinced. You really think all those pussy-hat wearing feminists at the women’s march are going on become traditional mothers? Do you really think the anti-whites of the left and right alike are going to become white nationalists? The lines in the sandbox have been drawn, don’t feel the need to justify your ideas, and even more so don’t your dare let them force you to justify your own existence.
How do you find out someone's
If they really want a white ethno-state then they should move to iceland or some shit, dude just go for the ezgaem ezlyfe my dude.
Cause it's only corp kikes that are bad, a whole religion just can't be this terrible thing... (except muslims)
what's ez about it?
Humanity is the problem, everything else is arbitrary bullshit to make people ignore that. The only solution is global thermonuclear war. Flip the table.
Just look at them, it doesn't need to be an exact science, so long as you get the %white going up the outliers will be bred out of existence within a few generations.
Greg Johnson at counter-currents has the best way, but it will still require a significant paradigm shift. This is kind of my own idea mixed with his.
1. Secure borders through various means (wall, agents, whatever)
2. Provide financial incentives for people to leave. Pay immigrants who came after 1965 100 or 200k or whatever to go back home.
3. Put in place an immigration laws that favor Europeans and the Anglosphere nations.
4. Put in place laws that incentivize white families to have kids. Tax breaks, subsidies, whatever.
5. Deport any and all illegals. No more amnesties.
i don't get why we can't just have a co existing race that relies off of a libertarian right system, like so that all blacks/legal minorities become red pilled and stop acting like fucking idiots!
>a cockroach suggesting total nuclear annihilation
Come on Abdul that’s cheating. At least fight us for domination of the planet, don’t use your gameshark
>It's painful to admit but working with black nationalists is the only sensible thing to do.
It’s not painful at all. The only problem is that there’s no real black nationalists. When they achieve an all nigger state, there be no white guilt to cash in on.
Blacks realize that white guilt is vital to their survival. Once white guilt disappears, whites will be reluctant to carry them, and then we’d witness their dead bodies get picked apart by buzzards.
If there were real nigger nationalists out there, they’d get their ethnostate immediately. There’s tons of white leftists who are obsessed with advocating for black positions in front of their own people in order to feel better about their shit lives.
I agree but this is for arguements sake since nobody has ever given me an answer for this.
I mean true but a lot of black nationalists wouldn't even dream of working with white nationalists. I know Malcolm X used to work with a few but nowadays that seems a bit far-fetched
A government might spy on its citizens to for example stop race mixing and put down any protests that support other races coming in en masse.
That actually sounds like a pretty good plan but why not give tax incentives to all families for having a fully fuctional good family (dad stays, no child abuse, etc) to promote traditional family roles?
Well that may be true but justfying not just to leftists but for right wingers too who aren't white nationalists/natsoc but still promote general right wing ideaologies like traditional family values, secured borders, etc.
>what's ez about it?
You'll have your ethnostate without having to do much, that's the ez part my dude.
>all blacks/legal minorities become red pilled and stop acting like fucking idiots!
Because getting even half of minorities to vote right wing is a more impossible task than creating an ethnostate.
Doesn't matter what it starts out like, it always will end up right back in this exact situation on a long enough timeline. The only solution is to stop playing the game.
I'll give it to you, we make business profit with libertarian right start, blacks will stop being poorfags, and become redpilled, same will happen to marxist cucks. We next work on other big problems (*cough* the UN)
But that sounds very similar to socialism, history has proven socialism and communism need infinite resources to work, we could try to get a lot of resources, but it's still not an infinite amount.
While it'd be extremely impractical to create an ethnostate without too much violence, perhaps the most peaceful solution would be to segregate the country. Nonwhites go to the west coast (to states like California), while the rest of the country remains white. Over time we'd be able to regain access over said territories and just ship the segregated ones away to their country of ethnic origin, because it's likely most of them would move away by choice due to overpopulation.
So I take it that you are about to provide this proof?
It needs to be a technocratic socialist republic. Socialist as in socialism like in Norway or some market/cybernetic socialism.
Unless you build in systems and protections into the state that explicitly state who the state who is for, then we will get right back where we are later. It has to be explicit. The political system you want is a white system. It was developed by whites in a context of white history. All the different historical and philosophical movements brought us to a point where we developed that system as a specific expression of European identity. No other group has ever created or lived under a system like that. it literally makes no sense to them. It is like trying to impose democracy on Iraqis or Afghanis.
It is ethnic cleansing whether they go to the west coast or home. May as well go with the latter
>more impossible task than creating an ethnostate.
Creating an ethnostate is easy.
Letting it stay and prosper is hard
Creating a l. right society is hard
Letting it stay and prosper is easy
Not going to happen. You need land to do this on. Either you take a piece of land, which you can't do without the government intervening.
Or
You change the policies in your country, which the minorities won't like very much.
Well the problem with that is basically you're saying a shit ton of people would have to up and leave their homes and move to california. Which will cause more tension because most of california doesn't feel represented already.
Why not a technocratic nationalist socialist republic?
Most blacks/minorities have zero understanding of political philosophies/left v. right.
It’s all about race/racism. There’s no simpler explanation. They cannot be redpilled. All whites are viewed as the same in their eyes: Rich/poor, rep/dem, libs/con, commie/fascist means nothing to them when they see a white person. The thoughts that rush into their heads is white=oppressors.
A perfect example is in this video. Instead of acting like civilized human beings, attempting to resolve a dispute with a protester that’s on their side, they attacked him.
We can't co exist unless every foreign citizen is heavily vetted, knowing they are coming here to be assimilated, not take over, not live off our hard work.
Capitalism was a name for trade made by whites.
Trade has been going on longer than the dawn of the powerful white race.
it doesn't have to be socialism, why don't you go to poland or something, or maybe greenland?
As long as you're actually an asset to their country I'm sure they'll want you.
make it inconvenient to live there as a unwanted. 2nd class citizen, less voting rights, etc.
I’m a cancerous phone poster so I can’t follow who’s who but I think you’re the guy saying why can’t we just promote right wing values for everyone and all get along, and the flat answer is because it is impossible. Different races are different. There is absolutely nothing controversial about this statement, it is the truth. Because the different races are in fact, different there are numerous truths that follow. In a multi-ethnic environnent, each group will be vying for control to increase their own wealth and power. This is a harsh truth contrary to the kumbaia nonsense we’re taught. You don’t see Hispanics fighting for other immigrant groups. You don’t see Syrian “refugees” fighting for others facing genocide - I’m looking at the Boers. People are inherently selfish, and have an inherent in-group preference. Only Europeans have a sense of altruism stronger than their in-group preference. That is the reality of life, and competition between all biological organisms. Next, why would you even believe it to be possible that within the colored hordes there is an inner conservative fighting to be free. What evidence has lead you to conclude if we just give them a chance they’ll all become nice friendly conservatives. They all overwhelmingly vote democrat, for increased government control, for increased government spending, for less civil liberties (gun rights for instance). And don’t give me the excuse of “hurr durr they vote democrat because republics persecuted them” because that’s a bold faced lie. Proof? Look at their home countries where they are free of the white man. They’re all socialist poverty stricken shitholes. It’s a nice sentiment to say all men are equal and deserve the same opportunities, but the harsh truth is we are not. And brown people are incapable of neither creating nor maintaining the same society that Europeans do
>All whites are viewed as the same in their eyes: Rich/poor, rep/dem, libs/con, commie/fascist means nothing to them
but you are doing the same thing as the blacks are. There are blacks out there that understand politics and can/are redpilled. an example would be Britany Venti
For those of you interested in the backstory of this video: berkeleyside.com
For those of you interested in the nigger version of the story, further demonstrating niggers are not compatible with the first world: rally.org
That's what im saying, have a right winged capitalist country and have the red pilled blacks have it known that it's bad for race mixing. (maybe)
This. We have to break free from this idea that we are all equal. We are all different. There is nothing wrong with it but it needs to be said.
isn't that still not an ethno-state?
Dude. She is a 1/4 or 1/8 black. She is also the exception. Not the rule. The NAXALT argument confuses the exception for the rule.
>There are blacks out there that understand politics and can/are redpilled.
I would expect those blacks with an IQ north of room temperature to have a concept of self preservation. So when it comes down to it, they will side with their own. It’s unfortunate, but the sides are already set. Thanks to the recent craze in identity politics, we’ve been pushed into these corners. The only people dumb enough to ignore this are white leftists that face a terrible fate at the hands of the “people of color” that despise them. There’s no amount of activism of cucking you can do for non-whites that will make you immune to their hatred of whites.
i thought an ethnostate only had 1 race only, with this we'll have a natural hierarchy (i guess), and that still has other races. So it's not an ethnostate?
btw guys, do we have a Sup Forums discord?
what's the NAXALT argument (sorry im a newfag to politics, as you can probably see)
>Peaceful Multiculturalism how?
Academics please respond
You can have small amounts of ethnicities or races in an ethnostate. They just have to understand that state affairs are not conducted with their interests in mind first.
I'd be comfortable with a white supermajority that respects itself like we used to have. I happen to think African Americans have a right to the US that should defer to our own; they have blood in this soil too. Destroy the welfare state and restore the black family and they can continue the upward climb they were on in the mid 90s.
Not All X(black, brown, whatever) Are Like That. It is an argument that applies exception to issues that demand we speak in generalities.
>the only way an ethnostate can be made is through violence
>without using unnecessary violence
Your premises contradict each other and you are stupid.
Nobody is always something, what you do is redpill the majority, it's hard but will pay off at the end.
As much as I like that sentiment, I do not think that is the optimal situation. Blacks need to have their own state, imposing white standards on black is bad. Imposing black standards on whites is bad. Whether that means going back to Africa or carving up a portion of the US for them is up for debate.
guys gtg great talk, i got to go.
>They all overwhelmingly vote democrat, for increased government control, for increased government spending, for less civil liberties (gun rights for instance)
These “people” need the state, it’s essential to their survival. This is why they’re hostile towards anything that advocates for less state power, those positions have successfully been blended in with “””racism””” in their simpleton, manipulative brains.
Less state power= less gibs, less white guilt, less cities paying millions to families of dead niggers lawfully killed by cops, less excuses for pathetic lives, poor academic performance, poverty and so on. The state is a buffer between them and what they fear most- reality. Anyone that advocates for a smaller government/less state power threatens their comfy state buffer and should be hated, killed, removed.
How do you propose we do that? Show blacks and Latinos their crime stats? Their average IQ scores? Have them read Locke, Nietzsche, or Aristotle?
Equal can be different, you're conflating equal with identical. Different things, puddin.
Nothing prevents you from going to Chicongo trying to convince Tyrone over a cold beer how cool it is to be a libertarian and lines you read in Atlas Shrugged. You know that this is impossible. Stop baiting us already.
Yes but like you stated, they still understand the racial elements of state power on a subconscious level. To them less state power is an implicitly white idea. Which is actually a very accurate proxy.
Another way to your Utopia is a razor across your wrist.
Do you not view the mass importation of third-world populations as an act of violence against whites?
And there are many policies that could lead to the creation an ethnostate without the use of violence, for example;
>cutting off welfare programs to people that are not ethnically European
>offering monetary incentives for non-Europeans to leave
>building physical barriers along borders
>revoking citizenship of people that haven't gained it legally (DACA, other temporary visas etc)
>stop all non-European immigration into our countries
>give tax cuts to white families dependant on the amount of children they have
>increase taxes on non-Europeans dependant on the number of children they have
I could go on but none of these are directly violent and would result in an ethnostate
>Which is actually a very accurate proxy.
It is. But we’re not political opposites because we are racial opposites. It’s boils down to IQ.
You need the state if your IQ is low. You depend on it, it’s your lifeline.
If your IQ is average+, you can thrive just fine without the state, and may even see it as a burden, and so you advocate for positions accordingly.
But then once you disadvantage non whites you'll just make a rebellion happen and sooner or later your country is going to collapse.
I'm not saying why can't we all get along I'm saying how would one create an ethno state peacefully or at least as peaceful as possible. And yes race realism is thing that exists in this world but every race has in-group fighting. Some consider Anglos not true Europeans others consider Slavs not true Europeans etc.
And yeah you kind of are generalizing entire races in a negative way like how left wingers do. There are plenty of minorities out there who would rather off themselves than vote democrat.
I completely agree.
No I'm saying that a lot of ethno states that have been made have been through violent means, and so how can we create one without unncessary violence. When I say unecessary I mean obviously some people are going to act stupid and force may be required.
I agree but then if you give them a portion of the US and you have to kick out the democrats who have been making their lives shit otherwise they'll simply continue to live in shit conditions and then blame it on segregation rather than the ones in power in their communities.
Why not cut off welfare to everyone who doesn't need it no matter the race? Also if you directly discriminate like taxing them for having kids they'll rebel because some minorities have
been where they are for awhile (my great great grandfather owned this land/ grandfather worked in factories to afford this house).
Okay, how do we explain east Asians then? They don't need the state according to this model, but they vote for it anyway.
Easy. By just establishing it on Europe. Leave the mutts out.
>Locke, Nietzsche, or Aristotle
When I was in the Navy, I was always read Rousseau, Voltaire, Orwell and was always told by blacks that reading stuff like that was “white shit”, when attempting to tell them the depth/scope of the authors and their ideas.
Other white shit: watching National Geographic documentaries, speaking proper English, or being able to do simple arithmetic without a calculator.
I think their doomed to live fairly shitty regardless, sadly. If you mean white democrats, well the blacks would have the power to let them in or exclude them.
>No I'm saying that a lot of ethno states that have been made have been through violent means
Are there any ethnostates that haven't been made this way? If not, then violence is necessary. If violence is necessary, your premises contradict.
But it's not using unjust violence, if they rebel it gives us a valid reason to use force that would lead to the establishment of the ethnostate faster
They're*
They are not wrong on some level though are they?
I think you're probably right. As much as the idea of balkanizing the US hurts me, a two state solution may be ideal. My previous statement is couched in idealism, but it's inspired by my hope that our people won't abandon our benevolence to other races after securing our own existence.
>imposing white standards on blacks is bad
Not for those black that are willing to comply. New Africa, designed in-part and supervised by it's white neighbors, could become the first real opportunity for the black race to ascend to prosperity and begin making significant, positive contributions to the world.
>without using unnecessary violence
By mass deportation of non-Europeans?
I don't get your viewpoint. It is necessary to deport them in one way or another.
Because they are raised from a collectivist culture. Look at China and Japan, sure they are smart and maybe even smarter than whites, but their culture relies on giving up yourself for the greater "good". All their relationships, be it work or family, reflect this. Since the state is basically the uber-family to them, they vote for bigger power of the government. I mean look how much the chinese government interferes with the life of an average chinaman, it's insane. I mean they don't care if you live or not, but try to fuck with them and they get you killed.
East Asians are a curveball when it comes to politics. Their population/participation in politics is low so I wouldn’t find their results of their voting patterns to be statistically significant. I’m open to corrections or other theories, I could be wrong. I would also argue that their voting preference also aligns with their lack of expose to blacks and other dregs, especially for immigrants. The concepts of leftism sound great when you finally realize that the positions you advocate for disproportionately benefit those who are less intelligent, especially when it comes time for you in need of state resources, only to learned they are being wasted on dregs.
I mean democrats in general who obviously use "muh racism" and "illegals are americans too" too garner votes
As far as I know there aren't any. Which is why I want to know if there are peaceful ways and it seems like there are see and Right but if you are forcing them out of land or a home they've owned for generations and they rebel then they have a just cause to rebel. Like if you owned a farm for generations and suddenly someone says you and your neighbors have to move based solely on your race you are probably going to rebel. Peacefully or not depends of course.
Mass deportation would require a lot of force and eventually lead to a rebellion. I liked the idea more of incentivising some to move away with money.
In a way, yes. Possibly because they couldn’t grasp the concepts even if they wanted to.
>Mass deportation would require a lot of force and eventually lead to a rebellion. I liked the idea more of incentivising some to move away with money.
As long as it would lead to the non-Europeans disappearing from Europe and North-America (except Native Americans and Sami people). If not, it's necessary to deport them. If the ungrateful subhumans rebel, they will be necessarily defeated by force.
>Peaceful Ethnostate how?
the peace begins after the killing is finished. if the killing is never finished, I am OK with that.
t. skinhead retard
I also forgot to add that’s there’s lot is similarities to between conservatism and Confucianism. Unfortunate that this philosophy is not translated into political thought.
Realistically how many of them do you think would want a rule where they are basically a protectorate of a white ethno state? I think we could consult with them and have decent relations, but the supervisory role is probably going to inspire a chimp out. They need to go their own way in this world.
I think that is the right answer, I was just pointing out that models of behavior relating to the state cannot be only understood through IQ.
be careful with that edge user, you could hurt yourself.
>And yeah you kind of are generalizing entire races in a negative way like how left wingers do. There are plenty of minorities out there who would rather off themselves than vote democrat.
Of course there are. And of course I’m generalizing, how else do you make policy on a grand scale without generalizations. There are what, 360 some million people in this country right? And we’re sadly about half white. Do I really expect 180 million of them down the line are liberal? Of course not, but when looking at things statistically, you deal with the median, not the outliers. And you’re being dishonest because you know this but tried to twist the truth with an allusion to a vague “plenty” rather than the truth of “5%” or for black women just fucking “1%” the fact is if you want a conservative or libertarian paradise, you want white people. Look to brown countries to see what our future holds if they take over. It’s true that ideas are king, the average person is what makes a country great or shitty, and different groups have different proportions of people that fall into the left or right, and only Europeans have the propensity towards conservativism, the rest are overwhelmingly liberal. What is so hard about this?
Exactly
>create an ethnostate in a 99% european country
>offer the few minorities a free ticket to a richer country and a few thousand
its literally that easy
anyone saying that it would be possible for the entire united states to be an ethnostate is retarded