Communism and capitalism are the same thing

Let's try to have a legit, civil argument on this, shall we?

My points are as follows:
The goal of communism is international revolution of the workers.
Most of modern communists support what i would call "state ethics".
As you would assume, faggotry, open borders, welfare state for niggers, etc.
Capitalism supports business ethics. Here where similarities start. A lot of right wing people assume that if current state goes away, free market will automatically fix the current issues.
But it won't. Truth is, absolute goal of capitalism is profit. Business profit, personal profit, profit period. Traditional state is not beneficial. Hiring whites only is not beneficial. Not hiring fags is not beneficial. In fact, demand for cheap workforce will only grow without government regulations. So, more immigration. Both high end, and low end.
In fact, modern US politics are largely shaped by big corporations needs.
Anyone thinks otherwise?

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>stomping so many niggers that your steelies wear through
Well done my white brother

>modern US politics are largely shaped by big corporations needs

Yep. It's been this way for as long as I've been paying attention - I'm guessing covertly in early 1900s and overtly since post WWII.

More recently there has been very little interest in hiding this from the public.

I'm a former libertarian who noticed that libertarian funding usually gets handed down through corporate entities and the main goal of mainstream libertarians is to be corporate stooges rather than following the more pure and traditional doctrine.

I think there are disenfranchised people who've come from many ideological backgrounds on this board and my hope is that we can collectively sift through each ideology without prejudice towards each other and find a better way forward with a new label and identity and ideology.

>Let's try to have a legit, civil argument on this, shall we?
Plumbers work a shit career, and real men become pipefitters. Them boots are wore out turd-kickers. I know enough plumbers who are total failures with leaky boots with the toe wore out.

Fucking slugs.

All political systems seek to maintain a privileged class that lives off the rest. Each chooses to sway the masses to support the few with patriotism and a belief that their system is the one true system. In the end, capitalism has provided the best subsistence level living for it's proletariat.

>Communism
>Capitalism
If only there were a... Dare i say it... Third position...

Where do corperations get the idea of what people need?

The problem with it is that its so ill defined, when it comes to economics.
Most just opt-out of it by saying that economy does not matter.
While it obviously does.

>2 sides of the same coin argument
You do know that there are preferable sides to coins, right? I would love to have NS as the standard economic model but I would also rather live in capital land over WAREZ DA FUD LANDD¿

corporations are people
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood

Capitalism has no morals and assuming a truly free market and not simply one dominated by the biggest monopolies exists, there is no guarantee that the free market will always make the right decision. The cheapest thing or most desired thing is not necessarily the best thing for anybody. The only argument I can think of at this point to preserve free market republics is the fact that nobody currently alive in the United States could ever be trusted with the amount of power and responsibility they could wield in a fascist dictatorship, and so I would choose "freedom" over the chance my life could be dictated to me by some degenerate fuck. Freedom as we know it is an illusion however. We all have masters, and our own government could make us disappear without a trace and nobody would really notice or likely care. The only thing which could stop it is an armed revolt but that won't happen unless a large enough number of people are unemployed and starving.

>assuming a truly free market
Mistake number one. Murka does not have a free market.

What do you mean? At least from my understanding privately owned companies attempt to coexist with public works projects while being overseen by the government to make sure that their practices are conducive to the volks interests.

Italian fascism and third reich had entirely different economic systems. Which one is a third position?

t.guy who didn't even read what I was saying

That doesn't answer my question. Corperation do not drive what people want or need. They are a response to what people want or need.

America and england have different economic system. which one is capitalism?
The question is meaningless because under both capitalism and fascism there is a natural market system. The difference is in how the administrating body operates.

But fascist italy was de-facto planned economy.

mutilating baby dicks then pandering to women becasue you think you are going to get laid isnt a free market

murder cult members

It's called the Pareto distribution. In a free society, a small percentage of the population will always control a large amount of the wealth. This is true.

Communism: a "stateless" and "classless" society based on "worker-owned" means of production as done through progressive government centralization (i.e. larger and larger government done through socialist policies) until the state "dissolves itself" into a "dictatorship of the proletariat"

source: commie manifesto

Capitalism: private property and voluntary trading. that's it. a state isn't even technically needed, because you do not need a state to voluntary trade goods with your neighbor

so tell me mr. "Communism and capitalism are the same thing," how the FUCK are they the same when you're not forced at all to even trade with people. You keep what you earn, you own your wallet.

>Truth is, absolute goal of capitalism is profit. Business profit, personal profit, profit period. Traditional state is not beneficial. Hiring whites only is not beneficial. Not hiring fags is not beneficial. In fact, demand for cheap workforce will only grow without government regulations. So, more immigration. Both high end, and low end.
this statement does not seem to indicate that you understand what capitalism is very well. Capitalism again, is VOLUNTARY trading. How is it that these ebil corporations profit? They have to offer you a good or service in return! A capitalist transaction is always mutually beneficial, because you choose to accept the trade. For any entity to make a profit in a free market... they must appeal to YOU, not the other way around like a state you must submit to

not to mention these other utterly idiotic statements in general

>Hiring whites only is not beneficial.
whites have higher IQ you mong

>Not hiring fags is not beneficial.
fags are medical liability due to aids

cont.

>>In fact, demand for cheap workforce will only grow without government regulations. So, more immigration. Both high end, and low end.
how can immigration be done without a government, when people have the freedom to have private borders to shoot international tresspassers like niggers, shitskins, and other undesirables? how can immigration increase, when there is no state-sponsored welfare or gibs on the other side? when people have the freedom to be openly racist and discriminate by refusing to sell services to them, refusing to house them, refusing to employ them, refusing to even sell them electricity and utilities? these all can be done privately

>In fact, modern US politics are largely shaped by big corporations needs.
...who conduct their evil deeds through the state. Corporate welfare, subsidies, buyouts, preferential legislation, these are STATE measures that corporations would not have access to in a truly free society

you imply that capitalists love corporations, but without the state feeding these corporations money they will go bankrupt unless they actually provide a service to people like god intended. Corporations HATE libertarians for this reason, which is why big corps shill pro-government liberalism

basically you are retarded

>Capitalism has no morals
THY SHALL NOT STEAL, doublenigger. You earn what you keep in free market capitalism (which we don't live in), and the ONLY way to make money in a free society is by offering people valued goods/services for them to voluntarily give you money. Voluntary trade instead of theft and """"redistribution""" omg how immoral

>not simply one dominated by the biggest monopolies exists
the state is the biggest monopoly. whenever you shills say a corporation will just take over everything, that's already fucking happened

the state is a corporation you have to pay for no matter what at gunpoint; they call it taxes! their services? absolute shit. But you deal with it, because "if it were not for the monopoly of an centralized state then the monopoly of... voluntary entities?... would then rule over us. voluntary entities I can refuse at any time and use my own earned money to pay for things I only want like roads and things, etc., instead of importing shitskins and nigger welfare? HMMM

gay

what was all this about?

You must suck alot of dick.

You'll still have white communities under capitalism though, because immigrants drive down property values and thus are bad when appealing to upper and middle class whites for homes and work.

>Capitalism supports business ethics. Here where similarities start. A lot of right wing people assume that if current state goes away, free market will automatically fix the current issues.
>But it won't. Truth is, absolute goal of capitalism is profit. Business profit, personal profit, profit period. Traditional state is not beneficial. Hiring whites only is not beneficial. Not hiring fags is not beneficial. In fact, demand for cheap workforce will only grow without government regulations. So, more immigration. Both high end, and low end.
>In fact, modern US politics are largely shaped by big corporations needs.
>Anyone thinks otherwise?
The U.S. is not a free market. If it was, it would never discriminate against gays. But I agree with with most of what you're saying.

However, I disagree with Communism because it provides no incentive for the individual to be creative. The onus is on the State to take care of its people and assign them to jobs and distribute resources. That's like being taken care of by a parental figure (the state) for the rest of your life.

Communism is not in line with evolution because animals who are taken care of by someone for their entire lives don't survive. They have to go out, fight, and survive on their own. That's why I like Capitalism more (even though it eventually fails) over Communism (which is a failure from the start).

>whenever you shills say a corporation will just take over everything, that's already fucking happened
Learn to detect a shill you faggot. Then user you're replying to is not a shill (yet).

Capitalism is a system of doing business through consent.
Communism is a system of doing business through force.
Nope, not the same.

>Consensual sex and rape this the same

Capitalism already puts the means of production directly in the workers hands. In a capitalist system, anyone can start a business providing any product or service they please. Furthermore, if you are true communist, you can already start any business you want, and distribute any profits equally among you and the workers. Why do communists not take advantage of this present option, but instead, are insistent on doing this after they dismantle the current system?

No problems here. They are just two sides of the same materialist coin.
They have marketers use psychological voodoo to fabricate desires out of thin air, and put them into our heads through advertisements.
>t. Petersonfag

I almost forgot this.

But... your claim that hiring non-whites is beneficial is just flat out wrong. And the numbers bear this out. Even with forced diversity it is harder for Tyrone to get hired. And think about it. Can you name one job you think a nigger would do well enough to make your company money? If your answer is somehow yes, do you think you could trust him not to steal from your company?