Is it weird that as a fascist I don't think Stalin was that bad

>purged the Jewish faction of the communist party (trots and various other jews)
>turned Russia from a agricultural backwater into a modern industrialized nation
>instilled a patriotic fervor into his citizens to the point that they were willing to give up everything to defend their motherland
>created a system called "socialism in one country" that basically fused nationalistic ideals into communism
>ended up being killed by Jewish/zionist doctors.

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Elaborate please.

bumparooski.

Tbqh was Stalin essentialy a strasserist, hell he even told Molotov to get rid of all the jews in the ministry of external relations.

Yes it’s odd you think a guy with three Jewish wives was a good thing

Strasserists are different than Stalinists. Strasserists don't believe in private property but they don't believe in class conflict either. (sounds counter intuitive but it isn't).
Basically they want all property to be state owned but they want to divide profits between workers, owners and the state which still preserves class hierarchy (something communists are opposed to) but still gives workers more control over business.

>jewish wives

>an entire city built especially for jews

>Stalin's jews killing millions in ukraine

Yup. He hated jews

He was the best of the worst I guess
He fought Hitler though
Fuck him

I didn't know that, but you get my point.

Like anybody, he was a human. He became red-pilled late in life and then mysteriously died once he started really acting on his new realizations. Still a monster for killing 20+million white people, though.

how did they get FDR able to cross his legs?

The Jewish autonomous oblast was basically a slum he let them settle in to try to pacify them before they all started defecting to Israel.
As for Ukraine I don't really give a shit about Ukrainians because I'm an American plus I don't see anything inherently wrong with genocide/violence as a fascist.
I hate the fact that he fought Hitler. I wish they could have kept the Molotov Ribbentrop pact.
Yes of course. I only mentioned it because it's important to separate the facts from the memes.

>being facist means it is ok for millions of europeans to die by the hands of semetics

Please leave and never come back

>getting ready to purge the (((rootless cosmopolitans)))
>died
gee

>I wish they could have kept the Molotov Ribbentrop pact.
Considering that Stalin was a greedy fuck and wanted to invade Western Europe, no. It would not have happened. Hitler was just the first one to pull the trigger when he had the chance, and almost had won if it wasn't for lend lease and the Italians fucking up like they always do.

I don't agree with the communist collectivization of land but as far as I see it, famines happen everywhere. The communists probably didn't help the situation by going after the Ukrainian farmers but the fact is that many of them had anarchist sympathies and the state should always deal with anarchists and anarchist sympathizers at any and every opportunity.

Isn't that just the fate of empires though? Every ruler wants to expand his sphere of influence. I wouldn't shit on Hitler or any other fascist nation for wanting to do the same. It seems a bit hypocritical to shit on Stalin for wanting to do the same thing.

>I hate the fact that he fought Hitler. I wish they could have kept the Molotov Ribbentrop pact.
You realise Stalin was preparing for an invasion and Barbarosa only happened because of the information about Stalin's invasion. The Soviets didn't expect a war on Soviet soil, but were amassed enough to hold back to some degrees the invading forces because they were already being prepped for an invasion of Western Europe..

Well Stalinism is basically fascism with the illusion of being free some day. But because of this it's much less efficient.

The Bolsheviks were the reason he came to power. It's debated that he himself was Jewish. He was also married to a jewess and killed millions of whites. Not good in any way whatsoever.

Well I kind of expanded on this in this post: I don't care if he wanted to invade eastern Europe. It's normal for leaders of nations to want to expand their empire. I don't think Europe would be preferable under communism but I can't fault the man for wanting to expand his territory.

Most of the whites he killed were black flag anarchists though. I'd happily kill pic related whether they were white or brown.

1st known use of Gorilla glue. They were never able to uncross them so he sat behind desks for the rest of his days

I recently read a biography of Stalin

>purged the Jewish faction of the communist party (trots and various other jews)

He killed pretty much every senior person in the communist party

>turned Russia from a agricultural backwater into a modern industrialized nation

Its like saying "It took me 50 eggs but I finally made a fried egg"

Of course it happened but it could've happened a lot more efficently without so many people dying.

>instilled a patriotic fervor into his citizens to the point that they were willing to give up everything to defend their motherland

No, they fucking hated him and would've happily been taken over by the Nazis except the Nazis just started killing people for being Slavs. If the Nazis had been smart (like the Mongols) they would've let the Ukranians for example live and have independence in exchange for being on their side

>ended up being killed by Jewish/zionist doctors.

Debateable. And Beria wasn't Jewish.

>I don't care if he wanted to invade eastern Europe. It's normal for leaders of nations to want to expand their empire. I don't think Europe would be preferable under communism but I can't fault the man for wanting to expand his territory.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_offensive_plans_controversy

He wanted all of Europe, not just the section he had already. He had invasion troops station in Poland and Topology maps of Germany, a detailed book on phrases, and how to find SA offices. That's not Eastern Europe, he was going to let the Western powers fight and preemptively invade from East and take it all in one big push, The German invasion happened just weeks before the declared date for the Soviet invasion.

>turned Russia from a agricultural backwater into a modern industrialized nation
>implying Russia had not already industrialized well before the bolshevik coup
>Stalin as a Georgian Deming
This is one of the most egregious lies ever told.
Russia was pumping more petroleum out of the ground in 1900 than was Standard Oil. There's no better economic indicator of industrialization than that, as Stalin full well knew, since he was involved in organizing strikes in the Baku oil fields.
But keep on telling your fellow normalfags that the Russian empire was literally an african tier nation before grandaddy stalin whipped it into shape.
I'm sure some of those idiots will believe you.

>Its like saying "It took me 50 eggs but I finally made a fried egg"
>Of course it happened but it could've happened a lot more efficently without so many people dying.


You could put forward a good case that Lenin's NEP or State Capitalism policies were more effective in industrialising the Soviet Union than Stalin's methods. Most of the rapid industrialisation took place solely for the purposes of war and invasion.

Nice try rabbi
Get the fuck out.

reminder jews gave money to russia during ww2

Communisim is good. but they must haccept capitalist with edited custome congress

you had your time and lost because hitler decided to be degenerate and take meth

>Isn't that just the fate of empires though?
Considering that is the desire of all communists, the "global revolution," no. It was unique. Stalin was a selfish retard, and so were his children. Considering Hitler invaded a matter of weeks before the Soviets did, and caught most of the red army with their pants down, you're a fucking idiot.

>Every ruler wants to expand his sphere of influence.
Which was a disastrous thing for Eastern Europe. Fun fact. The Soviets only modernized thanks to western capitalists.
princeton.edu/~ota/disk3/1979/7918/791812.PDF

>I wouldn't shit on Hitler or any other fascist nation for wanting to do the same. It seems a bit hypocritical to shit on Stalin for wanting to do the same thing.
The Nazis had many volunteers among their ranks to fight the communists, I'm inclined to believe they were much better than the communists. The Ukrainians were an interesting batch of Waffen SS members. Along with French, Estonian, Latvian, and Finnish.

>This is one of the most egregious lies ever told.
>Russia was pumping more petroleum out of the ground in 1900 than was Standard Oil. There's no better economic indicator of industrialization than that, as Stalin full well knew, since he was involved in organizing strikes in the Baku oil fields.
>But keep on telling your fellow normalfags that the Russian empire was literally an african tier nation before grandaddy stalin whipped it into shape.
>I'm sure some of those idiots will believe you.
There's a difference between widespread industrialisation and mineral and rare resource wealth. Most of the Middle East is churning out huge amounts of oil and the majority of the population are still living nomadically. The Belgium Congo was a huge source of Uranium and the country was held together by mining companies and HIV.

>>leftypol

>The Ukrainians were an interesting batch of Waffen SS members. Along with French, Estonian, Latvian, and Finnish.
Don't forget the Tsarist loyalists/Russian Liberation Army.

These are actually good points. With that said, I'll play devils advocate and still try to debunk them.
>He killed pretty much every senior person in the communist party
What's wrong with killing the bureaucratic old guard? Not to mention, many of them were still Jews.
>Of course it happened but it could've happened a lot more efficently without so many people dying.
In an agrarian society like Russia I'm not sure that people wouldn't have died. It's a big transition to go from an agrarian society to an industrialized one in the span of a few years, which was obviously needed considering that WWII was set to happen.
>No, they fucking hated him and would've happily been taken over by the Nazis except the Nazis just started killing people for being Slavs. If the Nazis had been smart (like the Mongols) they would've let the Ukranians for example live and have independence in exchange for being on their side
Of course, I don't deny that.
>Debateable. And Beria wasn't Jewish.
He looks pretty fucking Jewish to me. Look at that nose.

> some millennial who was born thousands of miles away from russia a decade or more after stalin's death, and experience none of it
b b ut he wasn't that bad

This isn't an argument.

>But keep on telling your fellow normalfags that the Russian empire was literally an african tier nation before grandaddy stalin whipped it into shape.
OP is probably Russian. Only two people admire or think fondly of Stalin, communists and Russians longing for the fear (that they thought) USSR put into the west. Russia would be arguably a far stronger world power if a huge chunk of the scientists, scholars, cutting edge generals (Rokossovsky, Tukhachevsky etc), officers and experienced soldiers didn't all get GULAGED.com

You literally have to be a pozzed Mozambique tier nigger to think Stalin was a positive force for Russia overall.

The Russian Empire had all the trappings of a modern civilization. Prestigious universities cranking out legitimate science for example.
An army that was very respectable.
They had a navy for god's sake, a navy that was competent enough sixty years before the revolution to threaten involvement in the U.S. civil war on behalf of the union to counter British machinations.
No, newfag. The Russian Empire was a world power. You can't compare it to the Congo and expect to be taken seriously.

Stalin was literally controlled op to destroy Germany. His goal was to control all of Europe and spread communism/jewish bolshevik, which essentially happened when he joined with the (((allies))).

>a navy that was competent enough sixty years before the revolution to threaten involvement in the U.S. civil war on behalf of the union to counter British machinations.
>No, newfag. The Russian Empire was a world power. You can't compare it to the Congo and expect to be taken seriously.

I'm Russian. We had a Navy and no, the Tsarist navy at the time of WWI was a complete disaster. It was one of the key factors in us losing to the Japanese.

>implying I argued on behalf of Stalin
I just debunked a major part of his mystique, shill.
Try to keep up.

Literally agreeing with you shlomo
By you I meant op.

I'm arguing that he had no effect on you so you should take the opinions of people he effected, I think they'd tell you he was shit, the ones left alive

Three million russian soldiers died in that war, a war they fought on two fronts. Maybe they were stretched too thin, kind of like your Congo analogy.
Oy vey, I dunn goofed.

>a war they fought on two fronts.
The Russo-Japanese War was fought solely in the pacific/Manchuria regions. It was not multi-theatre/multi-front.

Wasn't the USSR pro-white after stalin ?

Also Operation Osoviakhim in which Soviets captured about 5,000 German Scientists and members of the NSDAP and sent them to Moscow to help the USSR build it's rocket technology and weapons technology.
These Germans and their families were given USSR citizenship and free housing, they also changed their identities to Russian names and surnames.
They worked in the highest levels of the USSR government and military.
Could it be possible that these people might've slowly infiltrated the USSR and this is why it was kinda like NatSoc Germany during the 70's-90's ?
The Soviets in the end realized that the perfect soviet race, the perfect soviet man/woman was the White Race/Man/Woman.
This is why whites represented the USSR and only whites.

It's moot at best. You are only further illustrating my point that Russia was a major power. The Congo isn't sending their navy to fuck with the Nips.

>The Congo isn't sending their navy to fuck with the Nips.
No, they just used their army to attack their just as developed neighbors.

Again, Japan at the time wasn't exactly an industrial power either. The walled off island was just becoming a player, and the Tsar thought he could grab some warm water by taking on purchased American Iron Clads. You only see these types of power fights in that era because each country that wasn't decidedly a major power was hoping the old value of pure strength would win them control.

Just imagine actually designing these fucking wetsuits, adding weird little pockets on the chests that women have to insert their tits into lmfao

That's interesting. I don't know very much about that war. I'll have to look into it.
Here's some Nip propaganda from that period, featuring the well known trope of the octopus, usually used to portray a world power that is grasping to control everything in its reach.

If I could time travel I would suicide bomb that group.

whenever I think of a Jewish family that had its property confiscated by the Nazi regime, it's Ludwig Wittgenstein's family. the first example that comes to mind of a Jewish family that had it's property confiscated by the Bolsheviks, it's Ayn Rand's.
Communist doctrine achieved the same ends against their Jewish populace as the Nazis did while having a racial ideology that boils down to:
>"all races are fundamentally equal."
what today's Jewish lefties don't realize, is the force of the gun that underlies that axiom:
>"...so we'll MAKE them equal - no exceptions"
if their group out-earns most other population groups, but they generally support left-wing causes, if the left goes far enough eventually they'll end up producing the apparatus that'll come to their door and steal their shit (again)

Horshoe theory. Farther two political ideologies are from the centre the more they have in common.

If Stalin and Hitler sat together and discussed internal politics and economy only they would have been very good friends.

>Mfw Sup Forumsfinally realized that nationalistic communists like Stalin actually should be our allies against the filthy americanist liberal world hegemony

Another mutt projecting his shame of being circumstised by doctor Goldberg as a kid on others? Sigh...

He was a Communist cunt...get over it.

Ok, Sup Forums, tell me what Stalin did wrong?

>inb4 60 gorrilions

No I feel the same way to some extent, his social policies were more or less pretty good, but his economics were fucked,

Holodomor, as well as having one of my great uncles killed at Katyn. those are just the most obvious examples of what affected both branches of my family personally.

Stalin is the only violent dictator that is politically correct to openly like. If anyone is really militant/conservative and they say they love stalin, it's just cover cause they can't say they love Hitler publicly.

>Say you love Hitler in public
>get doxxed by @yesyoureracist

>Say you love Stalin in public
>"good and decent young man"

Even the Hitler Channel had a documentary on Stalin that painted him as a hero.
youtube.com/watch?v=HRkVq4sR_V8

>socialism in one country

if you had to have the vaguest description of fascism possible, this would be it

You're a fascist personalty. You should oppose any form of socialism and capitalism, no matter how "nationalistic" they claim to be(socialists reject nationalism by default,lmao).
Aside from rejecting gay degeneracy and putting gender roles(after Lenin's liberation made Russia a drugged faggot hole with no morals) he was nothing more than a civic nationalist, that forced equality and took all forms of private property away. If Stalin was smart, he would've turned fascist and not butcher farmers.

I'm tired of new fascists that "look up" to stalinists/nazbols. They're not your friend, they're your enemy.

Pic related is your every day fascist basic , having nothing in common with commies. You're the third position for a reason.

lul at those digits, the person who made them is obviously mentally ill

>That Sup Forums russian that still defends socialism like a rape victim defending their rapist