>The White House immigration outline was released today and it's not good. It could change tomorrow, for all we know, but as it stands now, this is a preemptive surrender on several issues.
>The enforcement component is fine, as far as it goes – there's no E-Verify, but the White House decided months ago not to push that, thinking it would be a bridge too far for Democrats, since it impacts illegals who are already here.
>But the amnesty and chain migration components are fatally flawed. The fact that the amnesty would include a path to citizenship (i.e., the beneficiaries would eventually get green cards like regular immigrants) is fine with me – if you're going to amnesty illegal aliens, just rip off the band-aid and get it over with.
>Instead, the issue is the size of the amnesty, or rather the universe of people who would be amnestied. If – as the White House promised just days ago – the amnesty were confined to those who now actually have DACA work permits (or even those who had them but didn't renew), administering the amnesty would be relatively straightforward. All those people are already in the DHS database, and even if they were all re-examined as part of the amnesty process (to weed out the fraudsters that snuck past Obama's eagle-eyed DHS), it could still be done relatively quickly and with minimal disruption of the work of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, the DHS component that deals with green cards, work permits, and the like.
>But going beyond DACA beneficiaries to those who could have applied but didn't is a different thing. It's not just a difference in degree, but in kind. A whole new process will have to be set up for the 1 million additional people who would be expected to apply. The other work of USCIS would grind to a halt, delaying other legal immigration applications, as happened when DACA was originally implemented (and remember that Obama's DACA amnesty was smaller than what Trump is proposing). In addition, there would be an opportunity cost, with USCIS unable to pursue many urgently needed administrative reforms.
>What's more, expanding the amnesty beyond DACA beneficiaries is morally dubious. The reason they have a compelling case for amnesty before all enforcement measures and in place and legal immigration curbed is that not only did they arrive here as minors but they voluntarily came forward and provided their information to the government. Those who chose not to do so should not be granted the same extraordinary act of mercy.
>Then there's the legal immigration "cuts." The outline says that no new applications for the visa lottery and the chain-migration categories would be accepted, limiting family immigration to spouses and minor children. Great! But it also provides for the continuation of those categories (and reallocation of the lottery visas) until the admission of all 4 million people on the current chain-migration waiting lists. This is the same gimmick that was in the Hagel-Martinez amnesty bill in 2007 – and the estimate at the time was that it would take 17 years before all those people got their green cards. In other words, legal immigration would not actually be reduced until after President Kamala Harris's successor took office.
Noah Ross
B A S E D A S E D
Ryder Kelly
>The Cotton and Goodlatte bills both grandfather people on the waiting list who were within one year of getting their green card applications adjudicated, and refund the application fees for everyone else. This is a reasonable measure, since as the date gets closer, people might be selling property and whatnot as part of their relocation planning.
>But to wait almost two decades before there's any reduction in legal admissions is absurd. First of all, if we're going to amnesty close to 2 million illegal aliens (and maybe more, since past estimates have proven so woefully wrong), that needs to be offset by immediate reductions elsewhere. What's more this would be yet another example of the other side getting what it wants up front, with promises of things we want in the future. As Popeye's friend J. Wellington Wimpy might have said, "I will gladly reduce immigration on Tuesday for an amnesty today."
>The White House has botched the DACA issue, cutting Bob Goodlatte's House bill off at the knees and making it more likely that either there will be no bill at all or that any final bill the president signs (which is guaranteed to be even weaker than this) will fatally demoralize Republican voters. If the latter happens, the president will be well on the way to joining Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton in the impeached-but-not removed club.
Robert Scott
I'm gonna let based black man and based DREAMer fuck my wife, that's gonna show those SJWs what's what.
I bet LIBTURDS are mad that they can't call Trump a "Nazi" anymore! Now if he implements open borders. diversity quotas, funds "white privilege" courses & invades PATRIARCHAL Iran they'll stop calling him a "racist" and "misogynist" too!
breitbart.com/texas/2017/04/05/brandon-darby-border-patrol-agents-feel-betrayed-trump-administration/ >Border Agents Feel Betrayed by the Trump Administration >The Trump Administration has picked an Obama holdover whom they despise to be their boss. Trump chose the Obama-hired Customs and Border deputy who was tasked with enacting Obama’s open border vision to lead the parent agency of Border Patrol, Customs and Border Protection (CBP).
We did it Reddit! We're going to have our based Hispanics legalized. They're going to be natural conservatives and with their votes we will steamroll through the DemocRATS.
#DACApedes
Brody Reed
This is why I am now a #CruzMissile
Jace Hughes
Relax. Trump is SAYING this. We all know there is no way Congress can get a Bill together. No way. Even the Rats who claim they want one will not put one together. And they will never support a GOP Bill that “gives” them 800,000 or even 2 million if it leaves the rest of the 20 or 30 million in the cold. Basically Trump is taunting them. Think about it, if the Rats wanted to do this they could have 8 years ago and no one could have stopped them. Even the Rats know this is toxic sludge and any politician who touches it is not ever gonna get it off again.
Anthony Turner
>Trump is SAYING this
He's been "saying this" for months and months. He's now doing it.
>“Congress now has 6 months to legalize DACA (something the Obama Administration was unable to do),” Trump tweeted. “If they can’t, I will revisit this issue!”
Why trust Trump or Republicans? Reagan gave amnesty to millions of illegals and turned California blue forever. It was supposed to only apply to those who worked on farms and contributed, be very restrictive like shills now claim Trump's bill is and everyone ended up getting it. Bush 41 also made an execute order to make an extension for Reagan's amnesty. Dubya tried to pass the DREAM Act and immigration reform twice. The Republicans are just playing the same old game: doing the bidding of corporate donors and Jews after pandering to the white working-class & middle-class for votes and they don't care if it means they can't win in Florida, Texas or Arizona in 15 years. They want that globalist uniparty.
Cooper Ramirez
The time to pivot was so much earlier.
Blake Wright
As a Mexican who has been living here for years illegally: I can't wait to breed out white people. Nothing better than some barely legal white pussy desu Your wife/mother/daughter/sister will soon be a cum-dumpster for every spic with a boner
Carson Reyes
>when shareblue steps up its game and actually presents legitimate trump criticisms and concerns whatever happened to "two scoops" and peepeegate
Ryan Howard
And NO ONE has forgotten how Reagan was conned by the Rats. Which is why Trump can claim to be whatever he wants, no Bill is gonna leave Congress.
Juan Jackson
Why are wetbacks so beta? All of the spic shitposters pull the same "muh dick whitebois" thing that blacks use (most of them are trolls/Jews LARPing I'd guess). Not even the "white trash" girls I know would date you smelly fucks.
We shall see.
Jeremiah Torres
Yeah, yeah, yeah!! shut up and give me my taco Juan nobody takes you seriously.
Owen Cox
Say it with me:
AMNESTY DON
Kayden Garcia
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Michael Cruz
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Gabriel Carter
Reminder for the bluepilled. Some stats about so-called "DREAMers":
792k are over 25 years old (88%) 743k don't have a college degree (83%) 189k dropped out of high school (21%) 657k receive some form of gov't assistance (73%) 900 are in the military (1/10 of 1%)
Calling them "DREAMers" is just another scam to justify the population replacement agenda, just like "undocumented immigrants" rather than "illegal invaders" or "refugees"/"asylum seekers" even though most of them aren't "refugees" at all.
They're not "kids" or "educated", it's just a scam.
Michael Clark
> The fact that the amnesty would include a path to citizenship (i.e., the beneficiaries would eventually get green cards like regular immigrants) They don't want to be americans, they want to game the system or they would already be on the path to citizenship.
Hunter Jackson
bamp
Isaac Parker
This is what I assume is going on. Trump is probably trying to take the leftist moral high ground away from the democrats.
Despite the fact that he's offering legalization to almost 2 million illegals, he's still demanding a wall and an end to chain migration. After watching about a half hour each of MSNBC and CNN last night, I think it's safe to conclude that liberal opinion makers HATE this deal because they don't want either of these things to happen. So he's going to force the dems to reject a proposal that would legalize all the dreamers and then some, which will make them look retarded. Or 2 million are let in but we get everything else we want. The latter option sucks but it gets us everything else we want
Gabriel Ross
4d chess strikes again
Aaron Robinson
I don't think it takes much brains to fuck with overly emotional people. Shit, all Breitbart has to do is say "oh no Trump is gonna sell us out! Amnesty Don!" and everyone on the chans and in the alt media loses their shit.
Ayden Hughes
>no e-verify >doesn't decrease immigration >no welfare cuts >more than doubles the amount of people who get amnesty even though he promised no amnesty repeatedly >small cuts to chain migration and a wall that they can just tear down later once Democrats get a permanent majority, use judges to block consrruction and slow it to a crawl, renege on the deal or if they get the house in 2018 and yank funding for its construction.
It's shit.
There is no "4D Chess" m8. Trump is just fulfilling the Jewish agenda as he said he would for months. There was no reason to trust the man in the first place, everyone who paid attention saw this coming. Even Bannon is gone so he's surrounded by globalists and neocons and only that.
How long are you idiots gonna keep justifying every stupid thing this man does?
Camden Scott
I hear you, but it'd be obvious to you if you paid a modicum of attention to what dems/lefties think that they hate this bill and are going to reject it outright anyway because the wall is unacceptable to them. Which will make them look bad. This is standard chess on a 2d plane, nothing that crazy about it.
Grayson Phillips
B A S E D Lmao witey kill urself XD Drumpfy BRFO
Brody Hill
>literally shillsplaining
Ayden Morris
>no e-verify source? >doesn't decrease immigration immigration has already decreased >no welfare cuts no one said anything about that >more than doubles the amount of people who get amnesty even though he promised no amnesty repeatedly He repeatedly said non criminal immigrants shouldn't be blocked from a path to citizenship. These people were brought here against their will ass children without agency, there is no other class of immigrant with a clearer legal argument. >small cuts to chain migration and a wall that they can just tear down later once Democrats get a permanent majority, use judges to block consrruction and slow it to a crawl, renege on the deal or if they get the house in 2018 and yank funding for its construction. I didn't know you were a dreamer.
Isaac Torres
>source?
The article in the OP & the bill itself. Have you read it?
>immigration has already decreased See: I'm talking about the bill Trump is proposing, & illegal crossings are already back to Obama levels. There was no significant decrease in immigration, only illegal immigration for a few months after he won.
>no one said anything about that So are Republicans never gonna address the welfare state & all this money flowing from the middle-class to people who usually don't deserve it even when they control the House, Senate, SCOTUS + presidency? When, then? You realize one of the main reasons illegals flood into the US is because they can get government benefits? Why should taxpayers be forced to subsidize people who hate them?
>repeatedly said non criminal immigrants shouldn't be blocked from a path to citizenship. That's the Jeb! line. In reality, he said "no path to citizenship" and "no amnesty" several times. All illegal aliens are "criminal" by definition since they broke the law by coming into the country and residing in it illegally. He said that the violent criminals would be priorities, not that the 12M+ illegal ones who weren't involved in violent crime should get a path to citizenship
>These people were brought here against their will as children without agency Not all of them, and it's irrelevant, that's a slippery slope that justifies anchor babies & illegal immigrants bringing children and having babies because politicians "don't want to break up families". 88% of "DREAMers" are 25+ y/o
>legal argument. There is no legitimate legal basis for accepting 2 million illegal immigrants who have no business being in the country because of an unconstituional act signed by Obama.
>I didn't know you were a dreamer. What?
Also, still no cuts to sanctuary cities.
Gavin Hill
>MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Chase Mitchell
>shills: AMNESTYDON >reality: dreamers have to have a job and be well behaved for 10-12 years or else be deported, then they can apply for citizenship if they are a positive benefit to society
Kys. Sage.
John Howard
I don't get why Trump and the GOP don't just go full zero-sum and mandate all of it by EO. Did Obama ask Americans, or even Congress, what they thought of DACA? No. He gave a State of the Union address and said "Fuck you whitey, you're getting brown'd." Then everyone just went along with it like whipped dogs.
EO the end of DACA, effective immediately. Force a government shutdown on every single immigration issue. The Wall gets funded, E-Verify is mandatory, chain-migration is illegal. And don't turn the lights back on until all of that is made law.
This isn't a policy debate, it's life or death for this country. 2 million naturalized brown people means the GOP never wins another election again, automatically. Texas and Florida will go permanently blue, and the Democrat Uniparty will institute communism. That'll be the end of America.
Christopher Robinson
NO FUCKING AMNESTY
Matthew Hall
>MAKE AMNESTY GREAT AGAIN
You think after 10-12 years of waiting to become a citizen because of Trump the first thing they won't do with them and their 5 kids is go vote Democrat at the nearest swing state polling station?
Even Obama wasn't able to legalize DACA and hope to have a path to citizenship for that many people, this is literally worse than the status quo.
Brandon Evans
Lol. If they even become citizens in the first place. You missing the part where you have to be 18 to vote, so that works in our favor as we can turn more Hispanics right.
Isaac Morgan
>Have you read it? No, you could of easily archived it or took a better screenshot. >There was no significant decrease in immigration, only illegal immigration for a few months after he won. So you admit that not only did this actually lower immigration, but that it stopped lowering it once it was realized he'd have a hard time passing it?
>never gonna address the welfare state focus my young padawan
>he said "no path to citizenship" and "no amnesty" several times Stop it with this pipul, *for criminals keeps on being conveniently left out by you. Yes, adults who illegally came here are criminals, the children who were brought here before they could legally consent are not.
>Not all of them, and it's irrelevant, that's a slippery slope Yes all of them, thats why they're called dreamers. No its not, because chain migration cutdowns are part of the deal.
>There is no legitimate legal basis for accepting 2 million illegal immigrants who have no business being in the country because of an unconstitutional act signed by Obama. Never go full retarded. You do know what precedence is right? He is also using it to further many other things we need to have done. And what most people don't realize is, the 1.8million number is a cap. And the path to citizenship, is 12 years long.
>Also, still no cuts to sanctuary cities. focus my young padawan, on issue at a time
Adam Kelly
It's a typical lose lose situations for Trumps opponents. Just like the schumershutdown, its now this. Can you imagine how butthurt the Dreamers would be if the Democrats refuse? Can you imagine how many seats they'll lose if the Dems do sign the bill and allow the wall to be built? They will lose something big any choice that they make.
Ryder Adams
Fuck Trump and all of you underage shills on this board who scramble to defend every single backstab by your precious ruler. Anyone with experience in Judaism could see this coming a mile away.
Thomas Smith
what the fuck is this deal? they went from legal status for 800k daca in exchange for actual border security and the wall to full blown amnesty for 1.8 million and a promise for funding the wall later? Fuck this 'deal' Republicans in congress need to call dems bluff and fuck off with daca altogether. Do the wall and border security first, go nuclear option if you have to, and deal with these DACA INVADERS (thats what they are) later. NO AMNESTY FFS
Aiden Harris
>'hispanics are natural conservatives, they'll vote Trump if we just show them that liberals are wrong and bigger government is bad!'
You fucking idiot.
David Rodriguez
Forgot my image. You're fucked when whites become a minority.
Jaxson Sanders
>No, you could of easily archived it or took a better screenshot. I literally quoted the entire fucking article in the thread. Stop playing dumb. Why are you in this thread if you don't even bother reading the bill or the article, or even the first two lines?
>So you admit that not only did this actually lower immigration Only illegal immigration, and only for a small amount of time, there needs to be a permanent solution after illegal immigrants realized that all the MSM propaganda about "Trump being an evil Nazi building an army to genocide the wetbacks" was bullshit.
>focus my young padawan Republicans control everything, this was the last shot they had to change anything, and they've used up all their political capital on tax cuts for globalist billionaires and megacorporations endorsed by Gary Cohn of Goldman Sachs.
>Stop it with this pipul Says the kike shill defending everything his kike puppet does. Keep projecting.
>the children who were brought here before they could legally consent are not. Holy fuck you're stupid. This isn't sexual consent. If a teenager comes from Mexico illegally, he's still breaking the law you dumb cunt, especially if he keeps living as a non-citizen in the country and benefiting from its services & government benefits illegally even after he reaches adult hood. See: >And what most people don't realize is, the 1.8million number is a cap. And the path to citizenship, is 12 years long. Still unacceptable for anyone who isn't a retard. Democrats will increase that cap as soon as they're in control again. 10-12 years or not, it's still a path to citizenship, it's still amnesty, it's still another broken promise that doesn't benefit anyone other than globalists, Democrats and spics.
>focus my young padawan, on issue at a time Yeah, let's start by deporting all illegal immigrants, which is what Trump promised and also the only way the GOP will even survive the next 20 years. Maybe it shouldn't.
James Allen
These daca infiltrators, "dreamers,' their families, and all the people supporting them (the left) ARE NEVER GOING TO VOTE REPUBLICAN ANYWAY. Fuck them. Reagan made the exact same mistake giving amnesty to spics in the 80's. Wise the fuck up
Parker Lewis
>it will let one or more illegals be citizens so we can't have a wall or anything else to fix the problem
The wall terrifies the left so much they shill Sup Forums nonstop with this.
Juan Sullivan
>Lol. If they even become citizens in the first place. This is what Trump is working on, which he shouldn't be. That's why I made this thread, and why anyone who's not retarded should oppose it and write to the WH and their congressman.
>You missing the part where you have to be 18 to vote In 12-20 years, their children will be old enough to vote.
>so that works in our favor as we can turn more Hispanics right. You are delusional.
Reagan Amnesty turned California blue permanently. 90% of these people will vote for more legalization, more affirmative action, more immigration, more government benefits, in their self-interest. Doesn't matter how much Republicans pander to them, they will go with the most left-wing option while Republicans keep drifting to the left to keep up. It's a losing strategy. This means they will keep voting for Democrats, as they've done for the last decades, until you live under the equivalent of communism.
Caleb Reyes
>The wall terrifies the left so much they shill Sup Forums nonstop with this.
This thread actually proves that "Shareblue" is a boogeyman and barely exists on Sup Forums.
All the fake stupid shilling against Trump is done to basically immunize Sup Forums from criticism of him so they call anyone who points out his discrepancies "shills" and "Shareblue".
Meanwhile you make a legitimate thread criticizing Trump, and you get no "Shareblue" shills bumping them, only shills defending the stupid things Trump does.
Kayden Perry
Trump is just another Masonic puppets installed.
If he really wanted to end DACA he would've done it day 1 but he has no agency, he's another puppet to be discarded.
Jordan Rogers
Hello obamaleaf bot
Oliver Turner
Shill pretending to be mexican detected
Brayden Nelson
Our jew “friends”....
Matthew Cook
>It's another shitty thread trying to have Trump supporters turn on him about 'Amnesty Don' Try harder faggot
