Is global warming real?

Not even the scientists are sure anymore.
What does Sup Forums think?

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>Sup Forums
>think
i think it's fucking cold outside

If climate change zealots flip from "global warming" to "global cooling".... we are going to run out of lampposts, trees, and rope.

The only thing that is real, is climate change. And this was happening before there was man and happen after man.

We don't even know all mechanisms that contribute to the global formation of climate, they discover new process each year.

>climate change
we have a word for that: weather

It's stupid science. You can't do empirical testing. You can't control any variables. Nearly all the data is inferred. The directly observed data lasts at most 300 years, out of 4,000,000,000 years.

This and the denial of evolution of the human brain are such glaring errors, it's become hard to respect some fields of science anymore.

depending on which definition you use an ice age is when either one or both poles have extended ice sheets the whole year, meaning that by both definitions we are at an ice age right now, even if its just the interglacial aka warm phase of an ice age. this means it getting warmer and cooler are both perfectly within the natural norm.
interestingly noone ever mentions that we are in an iceage, maybe because then people wouldnt freak out about it becomming warmer again

>doesnt know the difference between climate and weather.

No, weather is like a local phenomenon, like rain.
Climate describes the general condition of a wider area, usually a continent or even hemisphere.

read the source of this bullshit at

downtrend.com/correction-now-scientific-american-says-the-earth-is-getting-cooler/

this idiot conflates CO2 "pollution2 with particulate and sulfer dioxide pollution

he deliberately conflates aerosol CFC's with aerosol sulfates - two entire ly different chemicals with entirely different properties

he also deceptively suggest that scientists have said the atmosphere is cooling - they did not - they said it is warming but not as fast as it would have if it were not for the particulate and sulfate pollution - but it is still warming.

so basically this story is either by a scientific illiterate or by a total fucking liar.

Yes. Only idiots and Americans think its fake.

>posting pic without source

It's called winter.

>they discover new process each year.

but have accounted for all the natural ones that have been major forcers of change in the past, so the current rapid change which has no equivalent in the history of the planet as far back as we can measure, is not natural.

and will fuck us up.

Funny you mention that. When I was in elementary school a scientist came to our school and talked to us about global warming. He said "we are actually overdue for an ice age by about 20 years but because of the Earth heating up, it hasn't happened yet" maybe it finally caught up with us

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age
>An ice age is a period of long-term reduction in the temperature of Earth's surface and atmosphere, resulting in the presence or expansion of continental and polar ice sheets and alpine glaciers. Within a long-term ice age, individual pulses of cold climate are termed "glacial periods" (or alternatively "glacials" or "glaciations" or colloquially as "ice age"), and intermittent warm periods are called "interglacials". In the terminology of glaciology, ice age implies the presence of extensive ice sheets in both northern and southern hemispheres.[1] By this definition, we are in an interglacial period—the Holocene—of the ice age. The ice age began 2.6 million years ago at the start of the Pleistocene epoch, because the Greenland, Arctic, and Antarctic ice sheets still exist.[2]
german wikiarticle mentions also the other deefinition where just one hemisphere is required to have extensive icesheets according to which we are in an ice age for 30 million years.
seems like your scientist didnt really know what an ice age actually is, which makes me wonder how he would know we are overdue for one or for cooling in general.

>have accounted for all the natural ones

Wrong until last year they did not factor in solar activity and it's relation to cloud formation.
Just one example of a process that doesn't gets considers in all their "models"

Where is the problem if it‘s manmade or not. Climate is heating up the cause is irrelevant. When shit goes down it doesn‘t matter if you can say:" hey it wasn‘t our fault“.

It's such a politicized issue these days it's so hard to tell. I have a post graduate in Environmental Science and during my undergrad my school had 2 programs. Environmental Science and Environmental Studies. The studies program took the basic sciences courses but was mostly arts courses on politics and activism and stupid shit. The vast majority of climate change alarmists were from that camp of students. They had just enough science credits to play it off as being scientists but really didn't do any actual scientific research. Their entire thing is taking scientific data completed by other people (like myself) and making social and humanities tier observations with it to infer positions that pushed their ideological agenda.

Meanwhile 90% of the actual science program openly acknowledged the complexity of climate science, and while we all certainly agree that human activity has a big impact on how the planets climate works, we don't run around screaming doomsday or making incredibly hard statements about the "reality" of the state of the world.

The underlying science is generally accurate, but predictive methods are often questionable and we discover new factors at play all the time. Climate change shouldn't be out motivation for public policy in the west though, we should just be prioritizing clean water, air and land for our communities. Who doesn't want that?

Were going to have a mini-ice age in a few years, thats why this years winter was exceptionally cold.

Of course it is!
Look, all the ice from Iceland has melted and all you have left is Aland.

>not american
opinion discarded, mohammed

Yes, Jews steal oxygen and replase it carbon dioxyde.

But that was a minor correction - these are not major forcings. The climate change deniers typically talk shit about it being increased solar activity - it isn't, and it has been accounted for. Or volcanic activity - it isn't and has been accounted for. Or part of the natural cycle of ice ages - it isn't and has been accounted for. Yes we are still trying to understand things, but the big stuff is already well known.

Depends where you keep your globe. Mine is in a temperate environment.

It doesn't matter much, we shouldn't be pumping shit into the air regardless, you cunts cry about chemicals in water and soy in food but not the garbage you breathe

>scientific
>american
>says
>no a/the
Who is Scientific American?
Is that his fucking name?

The only thing we know for sure is that around 2050 there wil be problems with extreme drought in middle africa due to climate change.

And later coastal cities will have to be dismantled and moved closer inland.

That’s it.

Yes, Sup Forums thinks global warming means it's hotter everywhere all the time and Sup Forums doesn't know the difference between weather and climate.

Sup Forums only likes to accept things that conform to their preconceived notions, the things that challenge those notions are (((jews)))

Well, I can confirm that it's cold here today, checkmate, science.

Scientific American is a Popular American science Journal/ Magazine

I know to a Russian it must sound like "Miester. Scientific Amerrican" and that is pretty funny desu.

A couple years ago i saw an old guy saying that we were enering an ice age he said that bades on solar activity.

>what if its just a hoax and we create a better world for nothing?

stupid bullshit the earths climate is constantly changing hot and cold

As long as climate science is used as a means to push communism, it will be political, and people will fight it. The individual scientific principles may be sound and directly reproducible, but given there are no controls, and the Earth's climate is not a closed reproducible system, any predictions will need lots more correctness than "we got a good approximation of the 4th derivative"

In the west we just need a China, India, and Vietnam first rule where we will consider policies after those three are completely eco-friendly.

Climate change is code words for tax the air we all breathe. It's fucking horse shit.

>metric tons of pollution and synthetic particles have no effect whatsoever

>its a cold winter
>BREAKING. . .

winter is cumming

whoever believes in man made climate change is an idiot.

>implying tiny little shits that are human installations compared to the size of a whole fucking planet with volcanic activity do matter.

one big volcano erription pollutes air more than humans did in history

What are you lunkheads talking about? 2017 was the second hottest year on record. Australia is suffering from record heat waves right now. The trend is still warming despite any snowflakes you might have spotted on your porch.

I don’t think it’s possible to pin down an ice age to time periods as short as 20 years, so he was probably full of shit.

AHAHAHAHAHA

THERE IS NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN.

TIMES POSTED ANY ARTICLE JUST LIKE THIS DECADES AGO.

THERE IS NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN.

I'll take wildfires, volcanoes, and dust-storms for 400 Alex.

the only intelligent person in this entire thread is a frenchie we're doomed

doomed

>Not even the scientists are sure anymore.

The scientists were never sure. This isn't even the first time global cooling has been around the block.

>climate science is used as a means to push communism,
Oh come on, no one is that stupid. Communism is gone, and ancient relic. No one on the planet is advocating for it because it requires the state to disappear. McCarthy is dead.

maybe he was referring to malenkovitch cycles

milankovitch cycles*

well earth is a plane not a sphere, so at least half of it is not true

It's not global warming, you fucking idiots!!!
It's global climate change!!!
GET IT RIGHT DUMBFAG!!!

>Communism is gone
Sure thing buddy.
Mcarthy's worst contribution was that he was right, and his methods effective. Just this week there were articles pushing to "change capitalism" because climate change.

An eruption is a one-time event, the atmosphere has the time to recover between each eruption, while human activity is a constant (and increasing) and doesn't let the atmosphere "rest".

They already switched to climate change to preempt being blown the fuck out. Just sit back as the world doesn't literally end.

-if a scientist is sure he's not a scientist.

wrong. Weather is the daily condition of the atmosphere. Climate is long term trends.

They might be onto something Ausbro

global warming is fake and gay

What the fuck is going on up at the North Pole? I thought the glaciers were supposed to be melting. They look fucking gigantic.

>Climate change shouldn't be out motivation for public policy in the west though, we should just be prioritizing clean water, air and land for our communities. Who doesn't want that?
this pretty much. reminder that hitler started enviromental protection programs, because protecting the enviroment is protecting the country

no they aren't, they are so far away from anything its hilarious

>le holocene meme

>[they] have accounted for all the natural ones
not even close you fucking retard
btw, what is the temperature of the earth?

someone else who is brain-pilled. never see this discussed on Sup Forums

Of course the Earth is getting fucking warmer in modern times, we're at the very tail end of a mini Ice Age. It'll get warmer like it has been, and they the Earth will naturally get colder again, like it always does. Scientists capitalizing on "Global Warming" and "Global Cooling" are just explaining how the planet naturally fluctuates in temperature.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

>so the current rapid change which has no equivalent in the history of the planet as far back as we can measure, is not natural.
>what is the younger dryas

That time period is not the Holocene dopey

>They look fucking gigantic.

skeptics think thats what it'll look like in the future

pic related is the actual reality

that is three part I hate the most.

>60 years of satellite weather monitoring
>40 years of standardized weather measurements half done by witless Pajeets in the middle of nowhere
>hundreds of years of non standardized hand measurements of water in a bucket with a thermometer
>then billions of years of sediment readings to get a general picture of what temperatures were like every 10,000 or so years
>use inaccurate historic data to extrapolate a trend line out from the start of the industrial revolution to say that global temperatures will be 60 gorillian degrees in 200 years
>can't even predict the climate in 10 years accurately much less the fucking weather 4 days from now

It's almost like the communists that shill this the hardest have motive...

>An eruption is a one-time event,
The planet has more active volcanos than there are hairs on your ass especially in the cracks between the plates and on the ocean floor and they are errupting non stop.

>1970

lol wut

>b-but you need to go back billions of years ago!

It's "climate change" now. Once the trend of warming began to reverse, certain scientists and liberals realized they needed a more nebulous term to secure their funding.
Now whether there are more or less precipitation on any given year; whether the temperatures are higher or lower in any given location; whether crops do better or worse; whether animal populations explode or decline, it's all proof that the climate somewhere is changing somehow and we need somebody to do something about it. Vote blue.

All of my this. Idc about whether global warming is real or not or w/e, I just don't want to live in a polluted and filthy environment.

>half a degree in 40 years
Now show it as it relates to the history of the planet.

>>can't even predict the climate in 10 years accurately much less the fucking weather 4 days from now

This is what shits me the most about the global warming nonsense.

The same weathermen that can't predict the weather tomorrow within 5 degrees Celsius of accurancy, but claim to know what the weather will be 100 years from now.

Oh and by the way, if you are sceptical you are some sort of heathen that needs to be burned at the metaphorical stake

checked, but:
ta gueule, gogolène

insideclimatenews.org/news/31052016/why-antarctica-sea-ice-level-growing-while-arctic-glaciers-melts-climate-change-global-warming

They are in a dynamic state melting or growing back and forth around the median value.

It's fucking -50c in there water cant melt even if it wanted to.
The ice just accumulates until the chunk is so big it breaks off and then it accumulates again.

they literally dont melt at all because its way below the water melting point, sometimes they just break off

Well yeah. Earth is that old.

Who do you think would know better a bunch of fat weebs or Al Gore the inventor of the internet?

poetry

>It's "climate change" now. Once the trend of warming began to reverse, certain scientists and liberals realized they needed a more nebulous term to secure their funding.

This is a big problem. A lot of scientists now earning their living off climate change gibs, it's in their financial interests to keep talking shit

When I was in middle school and stuff, scientist were claiming a new ice age was coming. Imagine my shock when within a decade they changed he'd their mind and said were cooking the earth to death.

God, you're retarded.

>nobody can use technology to accurately track and predict trends
If you can't do it that doesn't mean other people can't.

Global warming is a fact and if you deny it you're a retard.

The question is whether it's anthropogenic or not.

Climate change is being used as propaganda tool for centralization another step to the one world government - if not in fact there is already a one world government.

Scientists are never "sure", don't trust the likes of science "educators" and news outlets. Science is all about trial and error, if we find out warming isn't actually taking place over long periods? Adapt and carry on with research. Fuck partisans trying to take over science, no debate inside actual peer reviewing happens as it does outside of it.

>extended ice sheets the whole year,
not doubting you, but what does non-extended ice sheets look like?

You are fucking retarded for not understanding what the words climate change mean.

People can scream all they like about how the next ice age is right around the corner, how the scientists are all lying, how Al Gore said this and that or how "it used to be called global warming" - if it makes you feel any better.

But none of that has anything to do with what
s going on in the real world or what is extensively documented in the referee journal literature. For example, one of the biggest developments in climate science since the publication of the last IPCC assessment report is what is going on with climate sensitivity:

Better understanding of the quantified climate feedbacks (especially the response of clouds), a more thorough understanding of the transient climate response, combined with higher-resolution paleoclimate records (and a better calibration of the relevant proxies) mean that climatologists have been able to rule out the very low sensitivity estimates that had been suggested by observations until then.

That means that the response of the climate system to greenhouse gases has been constrained to the more severe side of the probability distribution.

The Antarctic stole the ice.

You said "one big volcano eruption", and those are not daily events. The normal volcano activity is part of the natural state of the climate

Fuck me, no shit you absolute dribbler. Is there a problem? no. Does the climate change gradually with periods of increased cooling and or warming? yes. Do the globalists elite and their Jewish minions capitalise on said periods of cooling or warming? yes.

I just hope that now that the weather has started a cooling trend that it does lead to either a mini or full blown ice age because their needs to be a cull.

>If you can't do it that doesn't mean other people can't.
maybe someone can but based on the track record of global warming alarmists 'predictions' it's not them

hey buddy, you just blow in from stupid town?

false. By a huge margin

one supervolvcano that blacks out the whole earth maybe, but even the largest volcanoes in recent times have not produced as much as Humans do in ONE YEAR never mind all history.

this "volcanoes are to blame" lie is an Exxon product