The Left is winning intellectually

How come the Right doesn't have a proper intellectual framework?

Even at its the very best, the libertarian/"objectivist" wing is putting out not much more than sophist tidbits based in unjustified moral absolutes. And the Right is rarely at its "very best". The Alt-Right, for example, is happy to just keep reiterating alarmist nonsense, memes and cheap appeals to emotion.

Point being, I am not aware of a single right-wing publication that even TRIES to tackle Leftism on an intellectual level, at least not in good faith. American Affairs comes reasonably close, but it's no so much "right-wing" as it is its own little brand of neo-keynesian.

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plato.stanford.edu/entries/realism-intl-relations/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realism_(international_relations)
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What are you talking about???

We liberals don't read
We have common sense only
Autism high iq is what we listen to
We don't take vaccines
Our women are socialist,feminist,Nazi related,communist,
We have local only markets
We make new states


We're are you getting this? We don't go to school

>Works the same in politics: in a free political environment, if there is power to be grabbed, someone will find a way to grab it. Economics and politics are really quite similar
what the fuck

No.

They just complain the loudest.

Certain ideas, no matter how flawed have bought human civilization to where we are now.

CAPITALISM BUILT THE PLANET.

if you're genuinely interested I recommend reading that as well as the earlier posts in the series.

The idea is bascially just that Marxism and other forms of Leftism work by promising low-status people higher status in a reorganized social system.

Socialism appeals to the ignorant, the lazy and the hind teet sucking bottom feeders.
Once the youth get a job and look at their take-home vs what they actually made, their attitude usually changes quickly

Oh you mean the left
>we're pure materialists but we also believe reality is socially constructed.

Well I'll admit it's a framework capable of justifying anything so it's powerful in that sense, but not super coherent

>Marx, starting this tradition where semi-assimilated Jews don’t quite the latent hypocrisy of the host society, didn’t quite get the joke of liberal egalitarianism, and just took it to its logical conclusion. You’re not supposed to do that, kids. You’re supposed to get the joke. But he didn’t. Liberty and Equality? Ok, let’s abolish private property then. Hey wait a little there. Are you serious? Abolish private property?
The guy clearly never actually read Marx. At no point does he call for an "abolishment of private property".

I became a socialist last year
Anything other than designing your government with the people in mind is outrageous.
National Socialism just makes sense

The more intellect a leftist shows off, the more the world is witness to the corrupt soul behind the left's thinking.

>don't research your opposition
>say they're not putting forward a position

woah sick pilpul

>Once the youth get a job and look at their take-home vs what they actually made, their attitude usually changes quickly
In my experience, this has been the opposite.
Once kids go out to the real world and face the daily grind of wageslavery, they turn left.

Oy vey I wonder who is behind this post

i wonder why. get the fuck outa here

>put the retards in charge
>what could go wrong

scmp.com/article/723956/revisiting-calamitous-time

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The way the article is positioning itself you could replace the socialism with national socialism considering the right is becoming more willing to take a third position in the political sphere.

I'm not even a NS and it's very apparent right wing populism and socialism are becoming more popular on the basis of people radicalizing against each other and trying to seize control of the state to eliminate the other first.

This isn't a good thing for either party, a nice homogeneous nation with conservative traditional values is better than a police state which kills and controls the population with extreme force.

Yeah I'm a socialist.
I wan't free shit xdddd

Because the left owns big media and soon as any right wing publications tried they were all grouped together and labelled alt right, and heavilly censored which matters but it's not like most lefties read anything right wing where as the right is usually forced to consume left and right wing politics because left leaning ideas are pushed as norms and are even taught in schools

I feel for them desu. Being productive, increasing your net worth and providing services and or products to fill a demand is good for ones health. Liberism, in its true form isn't necessarily bad, however, forced socialism is communism and being forced into an ideology does not adhere to the liberal idea of free will.

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>500 genders
>Marxist economy
Serious ideas

>So then comes Lenin and stages a coup and actually grabs power as a formal communist. And what did Lenin do? He wanted absolute power. Like everyone else, but he actually had the guts and the will to pull it off. Lenin’s way of achieving power was to do what I just said you couldn’t do. Integrate all the ruling class into his political party. The judges, the bureaucrats, the teachers, the press. Everything into the party. The Communist Party. Political parties, remember, appeared as a way of ensuring discipline and organization in electoral politics. Lenin just extended the idea to every single organ of power in Russia. And it worked. It worked like a charm. It wasn’t easy, by no means. It took a long and bloody war. Then long and bloody purges. Then some more. Then the complete terrorizing of society. Then some more purges. But after 20 years or so Stalin had it more or less set up. He had achieved absolute power. He controlled the party. And the party controlled everything.
And the guy is painfully ignorant about the actual historical Russian Revolution and how it went down.

Sorry, I ain't gonna keep reading. This is a hoard of bullshit coming out of basic ignorance and reliance on the same sophist mantras used by all "objectivists". I was hoping for a real take-down of real socialist writings and principles, instead I got just more "leftists are a bunch of lazy bums & wanna-be tyrants" bullcrap.

False. The socialist deserve only a bullet in the head

>winning intellectually
An euphemism for writting blog posts

>Marxist economy
?

>Jew

Dont know dude. I've certainly been pulled rightwards over the years, from being a straight up social democrat and a leftie in general, by "right wing" ( more like centrist liberal ) intellectuals. Some of the right wingers too.

The tjing is, the Left offers emotionally appealing ideals to the romantic youth, and economic and social policies that give immideate results ( good or bad ) by direct government or social intervention. And action appeals to youth, so no wonder kids are red. They've always been. It's how much of them change over the years and do they shift to a moderate left ( social liberal or social democratic ), center ( like me ), or to the right ( which hardly happens imo ). I'd like to see a Pew research on this vroken down by age groups. Would be interesting.

>Point being, I am not aware of a single right-wing publication that even TRIES to tackle Leftism on an intellectual level

There's no intellectual level on the left to attack. It's only feelings and hamster wheel. Socialism is just rationalized envy

>winning the war of ideas
>reduced to importing shitskins as they're the only ones dumb and enough to vote for socialists
Pick one.

>promise people ‘free’ products
>they actually believe you because they don’t study history or economics
Really not hard to understand, the ideology of the left is much more easy to put your stock in, since you’re never to blame for your failures and you will not have to work to succeed.

Ideological framework is largely irrelevant when the left enjoys cradle-to-grave systemic indoctrination and reinforcement. This is why online censorship is the most important issue - more so even than immigration in the short to intermediate term, imo.

>Intellectual framework
How many leftists have STEM? You don't need to be intelligent for meme studies like anthropology.

On the contrary, individuals on the left insist on regurgitating maoist and marxist ideas under new titles,because the previous several attempts to introduce them have failed miserably. Attempting the same behavior with the expectation of a different result is categorized as insanity. Intellectual and non-intellectual alike, society knows an insane concept like socialism when they see it.
There are plenty of right wing ideas, arguments, publications and people. Perhaps they are tired of the left's reprobate behavior and have chosen to ignore you, again.

And the right somehow DOESN'T appeal to emotionally? The right is all about scapegoating those who look and act different and appealing to nostalgia for the "good old days" that never were. All while turning a criminally blind eye to the powerful abusing their power to hoard even more power and entrench in their position (because, despite Capitalist apologies' nice mantras about "Darwinian competition" and "creative destruction", every little of either ever actually takes place)
Leftism doesn't need to appeal to "youthful idealist". It can appeal to pretty much anyone. A democratized society where power is evenly distributed among people has a nice ring to it, but the actual practical stepping stones to that sort of society have net benefit for almost all involved (higher wages, better voting systems, universal education, paid maternity/paternity leave, etc. etc.)

>only engineers are smart
Yeah, I remember being 18 and thinking this way.

It’s defininately ok to preemptively shoot a commie in the face. It’s basic self defense.

>Socialism is just rationalized envy
Socialism is just weaponized envy
Ftfy

Epic meme XD XD XD

>Jew
>Stops reading

>society knows an insane concept like socialism when they see it
And yet the happiest, wealthiest, fairest and just all-round best societies on earth are also the most leftist one in-practice.

People are lazy..

Oh boy, are you out of your depth, Jew. We on the extreme right have the greatest intellectuals of the last 20 years. It's a shame you're too much of a normie to have heard of them.
>Mencius Moldbug
>Nick Land
I have no hesitation in calling these two geniuses.

Lesser thinkers, but still smarter than virtually anyone you'll read in traditional publications:
>Spandrell at Bloody Shovel
>Jim's Blog
>Heartiste/Roissy

so?

On a local level I'm completely for social sharing. I help my neighbors as they help me.
Past that level of personal relationships, when 'sharing' becomes relocation of wealth and I have no direct say in the administration of said program, well that's where I have a problem

>nothing but grievance and hate
Unlike the side that invented "microaggressions."

t. Pinochet fanboy

>and I have no direct say in the administration of said program
Then how about fixing that, so that you, as a citizen, have more say in the way your government operates?

>The guy clearly never actually read Marx. At no point does he call for an "abolishment of private property".
He calls for the abolition of private property several times in the Communist Manifesto alone:
>marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf
Why are kikes such liars?

I can personally effect policy in my community, in my county and in my state. I am a rare user who can change certain federal policies via my work, but each level up the ladder comes with a broader base and therefore change in policy is met with increased resistance.

Maoist China
Venezuela
North Korea
Communist Russia
South Africa
Cuba
Such happy, well rounded places. That must be why people run from those countries like they are on fire.

When facts have a “liberal” bias that doesn’t leave much room for intellectualism.

Checked. National Socialism does not imply a police state... but until you have a "nice homogeneous nation with conservative traditional values"... what do you think the non-homogeneous elements are going to do? Leave politely?

Most of those are staunchly illiberal.

>Socialism is winning the battle of ideas

It’s amazing what you can do when you control academics, fire those who offer different view points, and harass and shutdown through violence anyone with a dissenting thought

because the left/socialism is the easy way out. there is no struggle.

to be a right/conservative is to willingly and nobly accept suffering. and millenials are too fucking spoiled and pussies to adopt any suffering to better themselves.

It's not about anything of this is about Capitalism being close to the NAP and thus being more coherent and legit. You can't go around killing/stealing people who offer a thing more people want and thus being richer thanks to the free market in the name of freedom and democracy, it's stupid. Rich guys are chosen democratically since lots of people freely demand their services

hmm... to me it seems the other way round kike

Key words: "in practice".
Let's go over some of the most practically liberal and socialist places, shall we?
Denmark
Norway
Belgium
Finland
Czechia
Sweden
Austria
France
Germany
Iceland
Canada

Hell on earth, every single one.

>socialists are winning battle of ideas
Obviously on paper socialism sounds excellent, which is what universities are shilling non stop to our children. They don't acknowledge socialism or comminisms failures. They barely even report what's happening in Venezuela with people starving and trying to stone cows to death for food. Of they do they always say "well that's not real socialism." It's never real socialism that fails is it? Maybe because so-called real socialism is never in practice because you can never remove ambition from human beings.

>>only engineers are smart
>Yeah, I remember being 18 and thinking this way.
that's a strawman

none of those are socialist. their enconomies CRUMBLED under their short stints with socialism.
the PM of denmark straight up called bernie out sayign "stop using us as an example of your socialist policies. we are not socialists"

>tfw Italy is not on the list

>Powerful abusing their power
Stop making rich people rich. Instead of buy quality/quantity things that people demand buy rocks, AIDS, nothing instead. This way you can make "abused people" rich too

Ironic given that, in the past all conservatives did is talk policy. But now we're fighting with the left on their own terms and they're losing and trying to deflect.

Notice how they can never defend policy?

>They literally censor right wing thought
>erase and censor political philosophies

Why arent you making arguments goy!

Because theyve already been made and proven.

What you are seeing is mass scale brainwashing.

Sounds all nice and comfy but from my experience all these concepts usually fail when you try to implement them. Human nature is an ugly thing. You may try it in Asia maybe as people there are genetically more inclined towards harmonious behaviour ... mostly due to differences in key genes involved in the brain's dopaminergic system. Go look it up, effects of DRD4 variants on human behaviour (the Singapore stuy is quite useful). Here in Europe true socialism may be applicable for roughly one third of the population. The rest is simply not suited for it. The old hinter-gatherer ancestry still coming through and all. Even with the current social engineering a socialist society in Europe will have a weak position.

What do you disagree with specifically. Isn't it true that the revolution used people of low status, and that the most likely motivation for them was that they would have high status in the resulting new society?

He's not saying that only Leftists do this, he's saying all humans strive for social status, and Leftism is one way for them to achieve it.

>STEM is only engineers
Fucking kike, point is that a trade is usually harder and more useful than what leftists are studying despite the fact it's higher education but useless getting anything but barista job.

this is a function of culture, not ideology.
an ideology of altruism like democratic socialism would be strangled at birth in the third world

>Rich guys are chosen democratically
That is absolutely retarded. Rich guys are chosen by their fellow rich guys. Rags-to-riches-via-entrepreneurship stories are the tiny tiny insignificant exception. Almost all of the ultra-rich are plucked from the well-connected top ~6% of society, while general social mobility actually DECREASES the most "open market" and "business friendly" a society is.

>people freely demand their services
Services like what? Rent? Usury? Because guess what, buddy, most of the world's rich are from real estate and finances backgrounds. Even CEO and non-finance company executive don't really "offer" much to anyone besides their stockholders.

This article is bullshit. Socialism is dead among everyone but kids going to college. If anything, people are becoming more conservative thanks to the enormous amount of degeneracy.

Being better at crunching numbers doesn't make you better at politics or philosophy.
The idea of "universally applicable intelligence" is dubious at best.

IQ correlates very well with life outcomes(on average, please, please don't give me an example of exceptions). Wages, crime levels, educational attainment, etc. are all predicted by IQ

Socialists and leftist ideologies are being systematically disarmed and nullified via the continual media preference and the assurance of an advantage. This appears to be a sort of sociological experiment in social control, as the effect of the message and the attitude being broadcast and encouraged has persisted in its efficiency as a control tool despite evidence to the contrary.

It's all about control.

Because the Left has nothing intellectual to offer in the first place. Literally 90% of the "research" and "studies" done by Left wing shills is bullshit and based off of emotional pseudo-science. Then these same paid off faggots grab a dictionary, and say "What are the biggest, most science-y sounding words we can use in this article about why white people are bad and cuckolding and Communism is good?"

Again you can stop consuming Iphags, Google, loans and so on. You can't force other that's the point.

Those people don't make money because they are chosen to do so. They make money in exchange of something. Don't enter in that exchange.

hayek,nozick,huemer, buchannan/public choice have BTFO'd social democracy into niggerdom forever

left and intellectual is an oximoron

Given the history of your people, would it be more in our interests to gas you, or simply chase you out of the country for the goriilionth time?

The Left has journalists, who will say they are winning like it’s a fact.

Meanwhile, our numbers grow. Those who live in a bubble and read only what kikes write for them will be very, very surprised.

So what you're saying is that young people being indoctrinated in socialist public schools identify as socialists?

>Rich guys are chosen by their fellow rich guys.

This may be the most antisemitic thing I’ve ever read.

What is trump.
What is brexit.
What is erdogan.
What is putin.
What is nazis in ukraine.
What is the conservative tide in eastern europ.
What is the infinite amount of internet content ridiculing the left, which has become the comical relief of mankind.
Winning ? Are you sure. It doesnt look like that. Just saying. Oh, you made a poll in an american campus in the liberal arts department ?
This explains everything. The right does not need to do anything, when the left sabotages itself. The countermovement has gained momentum, the only question is, how far will it go ?

>How come the Right doesn't have a proper intellectual framework?
It is THE framework, the natural state of things. It’s called Reactionism, Traditionalism and Conservatism for a reason.

STEM is not just "crunching numbers". You need to make sure your "numbers" (i.e. your models of quantification and prediction) actually correspond to reality. Something else that the academic Left will eventually figure out for themselves, after decades of ignoring and insulting everyone who points it out.

And all of those countries over 90% white

Right wing means keeping the traditions of those that came before you, no matter how stupid or harmful they are.

Mercury was a traditional syphilis remedy for 500 years. It killed far more people than it cured. Wiping your bare ass with your left hand is tradition to shitskins.

If you're wondering why there aren't many conservative thinkers in intellectual institutions, it's because a place where right wing minded people gather already exists. It's called the church. A bunch of older people singing, chanting, sitting kneeling, rising in unision. Standing in line to get drowned/receive symbolic blood sacrifice.

Conservatism is the opposite of ideas, it's just the same recycled garbage that we've heard ad infinitum. Take away the semsationalist bullshit, and the alt right is textbook Catholic conservatism.

Because the alt-right is decentralized, by nature, being opposed academia which is totally centralized and J-leftist. The alt-right has no authority in that sense, which is why it's a movement of the people.

>Anthony Wiener goes to Japan

This. Pierre here knows the score.

What a silly article. Conservativism is growing because the left has become stale and dull to actual problems, not the other way around.

Do you want to listen to conservative ideas and philosophy? Learn about traditions, go to a church, read a book about Hobbes, Locke or Montesquieu. Actual conservatives care more about preserving our civilization and culture than repeating the same old babble about diversity and class struggle as leftists. We don't need some blogger to point what we should be thinking, we can figure it out ourselves.

Socialism is a emotional state. And conservatives are centre/left, cûcks. Right begins with Paleoconservatives

You should think about the difference between a custom and a Tradition for a while.
Treating your syphilis with mercury was
a (progressive) custom
Avoiding syphilitic whores is Traditional

Those are not emotions appealing to the youth. You're missing the point or intentionally moving the goalpost.

National pride, xenophobia, tradition, free market - those don't appeal to the youth that easily in the West because they're exclusionary to an extent, or demand a higher level of understanding the nuances of economy and society. Left ( read "government interventionism" ) appeals to the youth in E. Europe as well, only that the Left of the West is Right in the East ( social care for women, compatriots, solidarity, unity, care for "our workers", the common man of our nation ). That's why Slavic youth is more right wing, because our Right os actually the Left.

But even beside the point that interventionism appeals to youth, it's the current political constellation of Western parties thatakes the nominally Right parties act as a bunch of stuffy elitists - which does not appeal to youth. The two most popular grandpas amoung youngsters were Bernie and Ron Paul - who both played to their emotional appeals, Bernie with economic leftism and Ron with social libertarianism ( where he overlaps with the Left ). Again, youth responds to certain emotions and that is why it is always Left or at least a social libertarian. Right is reserved for closer knit communities of voters and for whatever is conservative within a nation.

So no, Left is not BTFO-ing the Right. It's a natural change of generations where younger ones react to the older. The more Right grandpas are, the more Left the youth will be, and when they fuck up, Right comes back etc.

>battle of ideas
does the same thing and collapses ..again.

They're not socialist. They are liberal and because they are liberal they have the money to pay for social gibs. France is one truly Left nation and look at it.

Fuck, to be so fucking stupid eh?

Let me help you child, let put one part in focus for you is look at international relations. Look at realism and you can see well developed aspects if conservative thought.

plato.stanford.edu/entries/realism-intl-relations/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realism_(international_relations)

You are so fucking intellectually stunted I fear for you safety.

Next look at economic models and tell me the left is winning and the right is just something in church.

Actually the complete opposite thing is happening.
Btw whatever....i'm used to leftists delusion at this point.

National Socalism all the way