Healthcare

Admit it. No universal healthcare = gunpoint robbery

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TANSTAFL

and Sage

What does the price of rent have to do with anything?

Why not the price of sardines???

You do not have the right to other people's service.

>doesnt realize universal health care doesnt cover medication

That's true, which is why they get paid.

And who pays them?

>paying for goods=robbery
>forcing others to pay for goods for you=not robbery
This is your brain on socialism.

The state :^)

Literally can say the same thing about McDonalds

Which gets its money by taxing the people, which means that you are forcing the people to pay for your services.

drugs aren’t cheap to make. payment comes one of two ways:
>An increase in your taxes to pay for the salary of the pharmacist
>An increase in your taxes to pay for th production and distribution of medication
>An increase in your taxes to pay for restocking

OR

>Keep things the way they are and only the people who need medicine pay for it

guess it depends which side you lean on.

i have the shittest insurance you can imagine from my job and my prescriptions are still only like 5 bucks

fuck off op

>not getting gibs
>gunpoint robbery
No, you don't earn your way, you don't get your way. Simple as that.

Our meds are a lot cheaper than the burger's meds, believe it or not. Aside from that point though, anyone with a decent job gets 80-100% medication coverage through benefits. I haven't paid a cent towards meds since 2006, aside from pharmacy fees.

Not necessarily. The state gets money by issuing it, it doesn't tax people for it. It primarily gives money away. But it's true that programs like UHC redistribute wealth, it's just hard to tell where that wealth would have gone otherwise without being a seer.

Our universal healthcare is collapsing within the next 10 years, 20 at most, because of all the brown people we let in who can't stop breeding and consuming the service without supporting it. 56% land has no chance. You missed the boat on this when America was fully white.

Healthcare doesn't have to be universal. Just regulate doctors' fees and the prices for treatment and medication. All the countries who are way better off than you health-wise do it.

If the state issues money without taking money away from people, what happens to the value of that money?

Issuing money is even worse, because you cause inflation which decreases the value of everyone's money. It's basically just another form of tax.

Get rid of nigger and spic parasites first, and then we can talk about healthcare.

no one deserves to live

if you cant afford medication just fucking die you piece of shit

By that logic, so does plumbers, and historically quite faster and more commonly than paid doctors.

>doctors and pharmacists should work for free.
lol

It depends, though I get your point. There is a low macro level correlation with M2 increase and rise in the CPI. Most money supply increases have happened recently through central banks buying bonds, like in Japan when the BoJ tried to reduce deflationary pressure by buying up massive amounts of its public debt. It increased the money supply substantially, but inflation is still low.

again thinking with muh feels instead of rational thoughts. If u don't contribute enough for society to afford some pills you are why should the society help you? Maybe i have some sympathy if the victim is a child who hasn't even got to experience life yet and doesn't have family, but otherwise not. Make your pills yourself if you feel like cooperating isn't your thing.

Why do you think people are OWED the labor of others?

>implying humans have some sort of god-given right to live
If you die, you die.

This isn't to say some prices can experience inflation with some fiscal or monetary activity. There are plenty of economists that think recent standard monetary policy have contributed to asset bubbles, I.e. the huge rise in the value of equities. But that isn't nation wide inflation necessarily. It hasn't significantly effected the price of food or other common goods.

gommie faggots btfo as usual

>Your money or your life
>Proceed to use muh feeling to get it for free at a moment notice
>End up paying it in taxes anyway and creating a perverse system where getting your meds approved by law as the norm basically mean monopoly on the market, with prices inevitably being jacked up due to said monopoly and the gov being forced to pay for them anyway (because muh public healthcare)

Peoples who support universal healthcare unironically are simply short sighted and do not realize how unlivable such a system is in the mid to long tem, especially nowadays where being seen as the victim take priority over actually improving the situation so you and other may not be victims anymore. Everything run on a strict budget, you can wait a year or more for life saving surgeries (because the list of doctors who can do it in Canada can be counted on your hand, more often than not), have to drive hundred of kms to get access to fancy equipment because due to budget restraint there is barely any money to improve the infrastructures already in place, yet they find the way to finance a 400m and more mega hospital that has been in construction for nearly a decade and had so much corruption going on around it it had to be renovated during construction about 2 or 3 time now. It's backward ass system that pretend to be for the good of all but in practice always end up being extremely inefficient.

hmm

i hope everyone here goes broke trying to cure themselves of cancer aids in the future

You can use the same logic to say that charging for water is robbery.

STAND AND DELIVER

Just as some quick sources on this, for one you have the Federal Reserve itself sheepishly acknowledging that they have failed to properly control inflation and growth by attempting to manipulate the money supply here:

federalreserve.gov/faqs/money_12845.htm

>Over recent decades, however, the relationships between various measures of the money supply and variables such as GDP growth and inflation in the United States have been quite unstable. As a result, the importance of the money supply as a guide for the conduct of monetary policy in the United States has diminished over time. The Federal Open Market Committee, the monetary policymaking body of the Federal Reserve System, still regularly reviews money supply data in conducting monetary policy, but money supply figures are just part of a wide array of financial and economic data that policymakers review.

And here is a little informal study on it as well, though their data is available for anyone to look at.
privatedebtproject.org/cmsb/uploads/vague-inflation-january-2018.pdf

tying health insurance to employers is the best way for wall street to suppress wage growth by limiting employees bargaining power

therefore it will never change

America is of by and for wall street only

there are no citizens, just sheep to be herded

Though as a further addition for anyone actually interested, this is not to take he absurd position that prices are not connected to spending at all. Rather, the connection is tenuous because room for growth is a huge confounding factor. If you have unemployment, or a sector that isn't performing for one reason or another but has unfilled demand, the government spending money it creates is no different from a huge influx of demand. If the sector can hire people and fulfill the demand, and other sectors in the economy can also continue to provide services to the newly employed, then you won't see significant general price level rise. This also depends on many factors like the trade situation the country is dealing with. You could even see a fall in the price level for some structuring of the deficit! It's entirely dependent on a multitude of factors.

The real problem with UHC is how you structure it so that there is low corruption, quality service and low cost.

I think it's fair for the person directly having their life improved by the healthcare they receive to be expected to pay the majority of the cost. I'm fine with there being taxes to fund portions of the system, if we could prevent it from devolving into full-blown universal healthcare.

I could entertain the idea of introducing some form price control, if a reasonable plan was proposed. But because that would threaten the litigation, pharmaceutical, and insurance markets, there's no chance of such a proposal gaining any real traction.

If I wasn't lazy, I'd edit that to say "your money and your life"
I'm damn near forty and a large chunk of my friends that did the whole regular doctor checkups have died of cancer
I never go to doctors and I'm fit as a fiddle ,modern medicine is a money making scam

>Being on meds

I haven't been prescribed anything in my life.

No. At what point is starvation robbery?

At no point is a refusal to provide a service without compensation a theft on the part of the refusing provider.

The nigger bern victim who expects everything to be provided by the state is a parasite and much closer to a thief than the pharmacist in question.

At what point is having a house theft when there are homeless people? Shouldn't universal housing be a right?

At what time is have too much food theft when there are hungry people? Shouldn't the right to free food be universal?

What about transportation, and education? Do you have a right to a vacation if your neighbor doesn't get to take one?

At what point is personnel property and wealth earned and at what point do you get to decide who and when it (((needs))) to be redistributed?

The problem isn't that doctors don't want to help sick people or that most people don't want to help those who can't help themselves. The problem is that there is an entire class of people who are not only willing t abuse the system without contributing back to it. They infact feel entitled to it as a right and not a privilege that needs to be used only sparingly. They are the reason we can't have nice free things for those in need. We have traditionally called these people niggers.

So no we can't have "free" healthcare you dumb shit communist. It doesn't work and it never will. Real life isn't fucking star trek. See this piece of shit here? This is why you can't.

Universal healthcare is robbing someone else to pay for your own robbery.

Amercia's medicine is so expensive because other countries benefit from our medical advancements (40% come from the US), but because of fixed pricing, investors (that make it even possible for the advancements to happen) cant really make a return on anyone except for Americans, so we end up footing the bill because Eurofags don't want to pay their fair share.

If we adopted the same retarded system, not only would our quality of care drop (it can take several months just to get a blood test in canada) but the world would be worse off because the last bastion in the free world that allowed investors to make a worthwhile return just shit the bed.

>quality of care
You mean
>medical experimentation

I feel this way every time I have to put gas in my car
It’s like fuck why don’t they just make a car sized bike pedal machine

It's simpler than that. People who support public health care are socialist, and socialists are retarded and wrong 100% of the time. That's all there's to it.

as if NHS or whatever the fuck its called here in canada pay for your prescriptions. fuck off nigger, get a job

And universal healthcare is slaving of doctors and health Care workers.

They're paid, they aren't slaves.

if you need the medication to live, then you pay for it with your own money.
if you don't have the money now, you can take a loan until you get healthier.
if you'll never get healthier and your income will never cover the cost, then you're a societal parasite and deserve to die.

You don’t have the right to goods and services simply for existing. You have a right to healthcare like you have a right to bear arms, but the government doesn’t supply arms because that’s not how rights work.

Why should unhealthy people live? Besides a plea for emotion, what's the point of keeping terminally ill people alive?

The nose

>taxation is not theft by force
>having to pay for your medical treatment is

The people who are forced to pay them at gun point are.

If we didn't pay the prices we did for our meds, pharma wouldn't have R&D funds to develop the medicine your government subsidizes for you.

Only a faggot cuckbertarian from the_Donald would wish to replace our system with the Jewish scam that is American healthcare. Sure our system is shitty compared to yuros but at least I dont have to worry about paying out of my ass for insurance that will deny my claims one day and bankrupt me.

Now do a comic with a grocer withholding food and water with the same imperative.

Convince me that taxation for goods and services that we all use is the same as potentially dying from lack of medical care if you don't pay a price set by a person that knows that if you don't get the medicine, you will die.

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>Admit it.
No, universal healthcare = gunpoint robbery

Theres some Leafs in here. Sadly not everyone.

No universal healthcare = natural selection.

>TANSTAFL
Admit it. The DNC wants slavery for everyone.

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In simple terms just imagine this imagine this..

>guy has secret plant only he can make
>turns out it cures cancer
>everyone with cancer comes to him and pays 10bucks
>guy with 5 bucks can't afford cure
>government say "hey we will pay the extra bro no worries"
>plant farmer says well damn if the government are going to supplant the cost i'll up my price!!!
>now plant costs 30bucks
>more and more people are out priced
>more and more people ask government
>NHScrisiscommencing.jpg
>socialism works again fuck

alternatively
govt makes the plant,
or sets its price

Why does the government need to be involved at all? The dude who can't afford it by involving the government essentially condems every tax payer to the abomination of social health care..

So its gunpoint robbery everyday in India, China and North Korea? North Korea has FREE healthcare, do you think it's amazing? Do you think pharma companies and doctors should work for free or paid by government? Why not move to a country with "free" healthcare? I can assure you it's shit or will be shit (like canadians waiting weeks to see a doctor without using ER).

Americans, failing to implement something we did in the 20st century. It's still going strong and well to this day. Goblins going to goblin.