I will start this opinion piece with a simple statement that must be said. I am gay. Now most of the time I have an issue with people shoehorning their sexuality into their writings with no purpose at all but to get praised by those around them but in my case I am doing it to remove any accusations of homophobia from any discourse that may come after this is done. I will explain many of my viewpoints around the concept of being gay including how/ why people become gay, the gay community, how gay people create stereotypes of themselves and many more topics. If you feel that any of that could offend you I will make this clear now, leave. I do not have time for the easily upset. Now with that out of the way it’s time to go my first topic.
How gays are made. This is something that people have been debating for a good amount of time. Many theories about where being gay starts or how it happens have popped up but inevitably I have always had an issue with all of them. That being that they always try to pin it down on one specific reason. Examples include: “Gays are born that way!” or “It forms during puberty!” Or “The person had a traumatic sexual activity happen with the opposite sex!” People tend to take one of these explanations and take it as law that applies to every gay person and what I ask you is why can’t people be open to the idea that maybe it could be any of these three? Maybe some had it develop at birth? Maybe some during puberty? Maybe some had a traumatic experience? Is it that hard for you (part 1)
all to view gays as individuals rather than some collective constantly? Maybe but I’m hoping by the end maybe you won’t view things as so black and white.
Let me start with the first example, “Gays are born that way!” While I do think that some gays may be born gay there are still a few flaws in this theory but before I get to that I will give a summary of it. Basically in this theory its stated that when multiple babies are born it increases the fact the antibodies will attack a baby. This baby while in the womb is attacked by said antibodies thus affecting it’s hormones and making it more feminine causing the child to be gay. There are a few issues in this. The first one being that not every gay is feminine. Some gays are very masculine in their mannerisms, interactions, sexual banter, and intercourse. Think of that one guy you never could have guessed was gay whose jacked, says faggot all the time, is always playing sports, and is only ever a top. If you wish to claim that he is feminine simply based on the fact he is gay I will straight up call you a moron. Then I will ask you this question. What about straight people then? You’ve met him before. The guy who sways his hips, has a higher pitched voice, and based on stereotypes is assumed gay all the time. You approach him thinking he’s as straight scimitar but turns out he’s attracted to women. Does that mean just because he’s attracted to females he is no longer a feminine man? No he’s still feminine he’s just attracted to women. This idea that gay men are inherently feminine or that femininity/ masculinity is only decided by sexual attraction but only with gays is a blatantly wrong. But to further prove my point let’s go to animals. Now usually we don’t consider animals feminine/ masculine, right? But gay animals do exist. Does that mean (part 2)
Jordan Gomez
if a sheep is gay it’s a feminine sheep while the straight sheep is a masculine sheep despite the sheeps acting exactly the same? (except the fact the gay one is attracted to males of course) No there is no such thing as a feminine or masculine sheep even if some sheep are gay because some parts of femininity and masculinity are socially constructed and do not exist in nature. (Except the parts found in biology like naturing, aggressiveness, etc.) The second flaw being that I’ve met gays who were once attracted to women but that changed. If they were so predetermined to be gay then why were they ever attracted to women in the first place.
Now onto the second explanation. The idea that being gay starts in puberty and that’s when the hormonal changes cause the change is a fairly reliable one. That’s when a lot of people discover being gay and it explains the gays who were attracted to women at one point during puberty who became gay at the end. But there is one flaw and that is there are some who claim knowing they were gay before then and this theory doesn’t have a way of fully describing how these people exist. I have my own opinion on that. There are two types of gay children. The ones that had a slight feeling about being gay or the children being overtly sexual. The ones who had a slight feeling I assume were born gay. The ones who were being sexual at a younger age were being formed into being gay (or maybe they were born gay but also were being conditioned by their parents to be sexual) The second type of child worries me. I assume the parents are always the culprits (though I know it could be an even more dire situation than that.) After all how would a six year old even know what being gay means! (part 3)
Kevin Gomez
was about that age I met a “gay” child who was always going on and on about it and even then I found it disturbing. A six year old going on about how he wanted to do sexual activities made me question what was wrong with his parents.)
Now onto the third explanation and let me point this out -my next point will seem harsh or cruel to some. Sometimes being gay is a mental disorder. Before I have claims of internalized-homophobia thrown my way let me explain. If someone has a traumatic experience (probably during puberty or before) happen to them that causes them to turn gay is it not a mental state that will cause discomfort to them. If their whole case for being gay is fear of the opposite sex I do think it is a mental disorder. See, gay people who don’t have this fear are not afraid of the opposite sex. They just aren’t attracted to it. If you find yourself being straight then getting molested or raped then turn gay I would say it is a mental disorder in your case just do to the fact that your sexuality isn’t really based around what your attracted to. It’s based around what instilled less fear into you. So if people ever ask me if I view gayness as a mental disorder I say it depends. Because in reality sometimes it really does.
So now that I’ve fully explained my viewpoints on these three theories let me say this. These are all ways one can become gay and if that offends people that I keep a more open mind about it then most I just have this to say. I’m about to offend a whole ‘nother set of people so you can stop curling your toes and foaming from the mouth and (part 3)
Luke Garcia
Fake and gay
Camden Clark
watch as I tear into the religious for a bit. (Don’t think I won’t be coming back to question gays though.)
The “It’s a choice” AKA “It’s against god!” debate! This is a debate I am sick of having with the religious. But since simply telling them no it’s not a choice isn’t good enough I guess I’ll have to use simple logic to explain why in fact it’s not. (I’ll demonstrate this through a sort of list presenting questions for questions cause people to think of new perspectives.)
I hear people constantly say that to change you have to want to change but here's the problem with it. It’s not a choice. Why?
*Some gays didn’t want to be gay. How is that a choice?
*Some gays try committing suicide or turn to self harm due to hating themselves wanting to be straight. Why would they do that if they enjoyed it?
*Gays tried conversion therapy and this itself proves that some gays WANT to change. Why would they be so desperate to be zapped if it’s just a choice? Why go to such extreme measures?
*A lot of gays force themselves into a relationship with a women hoping it’s just a phase yet they still have feelings. If it’s a choice then why don’t the feelings go away?
*Some gays are taught that being gay makes them evil. Would you willing chose to be evil?
*Many gays go to Christian conversion camps to feel like it worked for a while due to the conditioning and placebo only to revert back to being gay again. This shows it’s their natural state. Why would they go back to having those feelings if it’s a choice?
*Animals in nature can be gay. Why would animals in the most natural environment be gay if it’s just some choice? Animals don’t really chose that much when it comes to social interactions. Don’t they act on instincts most of the time? So wouldn’t that mean being attracted to the same sex is an instinctual thing beyond one’s control?
*You don’t choose what your attracted to. Try not liking a kink you like.(Page ?)
Blake Green
Can you?
Gays know it’s not a choice. Have you ever thought about what if you’re wrong? You spent your whole life giving them shit. Even if heaven exists we gays know that a supposedly merciful god wouldn’t send us to hell over something we couldn’t control.
*The bible only ever mentions the act of gay sex as sinful. If a gay couple never had sex would you be ok with them being together?
Also I’ve heard some Christians say that the Christian camps and conversion therapies are only messed up because they don’t work because gays don’t want to change. That’s just fucked up. Look at the point I made higher in the list again then process what you said wrong if you’ve said that before.
Now that THAT is addressed I’ll go onto the anti-gay yet not religious comments I’ve seen before.
Anti-gay assholes These are the type of assholes who argue against being gay but in a debatably more “scientific” way. I’m going to do the same thing I did last time here.
*”Gays don’t contribute anything to society because they don’t have kids or spread their genes so they shouldn’t be in relationships” is something I’ve heard before let me
Landon Rivera
explain why this is incredibly stupid for those who don’t see the issue with it. There are many people besides gays who don’t have children. Priests, monks, people who have problems with reproductive organs, elderly, teenagers, most of us on 4-chan, and couples who doesn’t want kids yet. Do you see some sort of pattern with this list? These are all types of people that can’t, won’t , or are expected to not have children and guess what they all contribute something to society as a whole. You shouldn't measure gay lives based on if they can have kids. When you do that you say all of those people listed above are also contributing nothing. You should measure them based on their deeds, morals/beliefs and capital just as you do everything else. Also the part about not spreading their genes ever heard of a sperm bank or having a doctor put a sperm in a womb?
*Gays degenerate society I hear others say! That’s funny because last time I checked only degenerate gays degenerate society (Like in Cali kek.) not your everyday gay. There are even historically influential people theorized to be gay due to their lack of interest in women like Michelangelo and Leonardo Da Vinci! I’m pretty much sure these two brought in a lot of benefits to society but what do I know? Gays are overly pushy about their sexuality is another thing spoken by some on here. I’m not going to lie sometimes it’s true -- some are. But to assume all must be and go after all gays as a whole for it is just ridiculous and you must be on the intelligence level of a rotting fish carcass to think that way.
Nicholas Long
Gay assholes Ok so here I go again. If you're easily offended by what you think I’m going to say then leave. Why do I say “by what you think I’m going to say?” Simple, if you’re one of these assholes you aren’t going to actually address what I state. You’ll argue a point I never made then go into your hidey holes and I’m not in the mood for it --now into the point. There are a good amount of gay assholes (#notall) who go out of their way to be pushy, hateful, and cruel when presented with ideas they disagree with. I would know I went to a place called Manatee school for the arts and I’m not gonna lie most of the gays I met there in high school before graduating were ((gay assholes)). I told myself it’s because it was an art school so I’ll never meet a gay like that ever again. I was wrong. Now let me actually start getting into what a gay asshole is instead of being a petty faggot talking about his personal problems.
The ((gay asshole)) is the type of faggot who goes out of his way to get offended by the word faggot on 4-chan not realizing it’s just a substitute for the word person on here (New fag, old fag, etc.) and then labels 4-chan as a homophobic website. When people finally tell him he gets even more angry and goes to Tumblr to rant about it. (Some people on here are but I would say the majority aren’t) The usually over flamboyant ((gay asshole)) (not saying being flamboyant immediately implies he’s a ((gay asshole)).) is the one who keeps calling you girl even though you said “I am a man stop calling me girl” just cause you’re gay then gets (part fuck you)
Angel Bell
offended when you ask him to stop. He then says you have fragile masculinity. (It’s funny how many so many people gripe about having labels forced on them but it’s okay here?) He’s the type who constantly mixes political views in with being gay and if you don’t agree with his political views you are not “a real” gay. He’s the gay who’s overly sexual with you or touches you and when you tell him to stop claims that you not wanting to be overly sexual is internalized homophobia or part of the patriarchy. Really? Maybe it’s just that I don’t like you, or I am more conservative sexually than you? Ever thought of that? Oh and here’s the thing if it comes to non-sexual touching like I dunno ... arm wrestling or something I wouldn’t have a problem with another gay touching me that way. (Unless he’s always talking sexual to me) then in that case fuck it don’t touch me. I don’t let anyone touch me in anyway if they make random sexual advances at me be it women or man. You wanna know the funny thing though. When I tell a (sain) women naw I don’t wanna arm wrestle you because you were too sexual before she doesn’t throw a hissy child fit and claim sexism. She realizes she fucked up and went over my personal boundaries and realizes I’m not the type of personal that like random flirtatiousness (not like it matters because I’m gay and all but still). The ((gay asshole)) throws a fit and says I have internalized homophobia bla bla bla. The ((gay asshole)) also is the type that if he’s in a relationship constantly talks about it and his sex life with his partner. Now let it be known that most people have
