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Free market is better

>taxpayers
>caring for niggers
It's free goy

let the subhuman niggers and spics die

By your logic, it's wrong for America to exist because no other country is America.

You have all those choices of places to live, user. They all have universal heathcare, You'd love being there. Please go.

sorry, I want to make my country better. Deal with it.

>shithole
>small and rich
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>literally fucking microscopic and rolling in it
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>so irrelevant I can't even decide if it's a shithole or small and rich
>small and rich but also kind of a shithole
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>shithole in cleaning
Very glad the USA doesn't have a checkmark there

nearly 45,000 deaths occur in the U.S due to lack of healthcare.

How many people died in these countries last year due to not having healthcare?

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>I called it a shithole so that makes your point invalid, THERE! hahaha... what a moron...

your maturity reminds me our president.

>free healthcare in Poland
>have a serious heart condition
>surgery scheduled in next 3 years
>you will probably die before you will get your treatment
Yeah sooo good idea

Except for the fact that care is rationed out by need not how much money you have.

If you want to have a nose job done you're gonna have to wait, if you're literally dying they will put you first.

Once you have a serious illness let me know how that free market treats you.

Jokes aside though, my point is very serious
The only places in which socialized medicine (or socialized ANYTHING, for that matter), are nations with small populations filled with already wealthy people. Everywhere else crumbles under its own weight and becomes a shithole. And in case you didn't know, the US isn't majority populated by extremely wealthy folks. It's called the 1% for a reason, not the "maybe like 65 or so"%.
*of our president
Learn to write in English mutt

kill yourself shill rat

So 45,000 useless poor people die every year in the USA.

>Once you have a serious illness let me know how that free market treats you.
Cured my dad's lung cancer, probably better and faster than any of those freebie doctors in any of those shithole countries could.

socialized roads
socialized fire fighters
socialized police
socialized military
socialized post office

So come again?

I guess we should just privatize all these services, it would clearly lead to a BETTER system!

Show me a free market in healthcare.

Protip: The USA isn't one.

>I guess we should just privatize all these services, it would clearly lead to a BETTER system!
Explain the me how it wouldn't

*to me
My mistake

Glad to hear that, how much debt is he in due to the cost of the surgery? or did he perhaps have a good position in a large company with insurance by top rated insurance companies?

>care is rationed out by need
>if you're literally dying they will put you first
No and no
These don't work like transplantation
There is no list
You either are lucky enough to be placed in a window or go pay for private treatment. And even after the treatment you are feed dry bread with slice of cheese and told to get the fuck out after 3 days.

If you have to ask that question you may be too far gone. That is outrageous.

No debt whatsoever at this point, insurance covered it all.
He's a freelance actor

How many died waiting?

Then vote to make your system better. point is that your country has less deaths than the U.S per year and better care at a fraction of the cost.

Fuck universal healthcare, I'm paying the government a 30% of my yearly cash flow to give it to some motherfucking meth addicts.

Yeah Universal Healthcare is so awesome that I have to pay 52.5% tax, whilst I still end up paying for my healthcare because the few times I have needed it I needed it right away, not in two years. Maybe just get a job you parasites.

It's never happening
All your effort will be for nothing
Stay butthurt

Explain to me how it is.
You can't just say "that's outrageous" and expect that to stand as an argument on its own.

>How many people died in these countries last year due to not having healthcare
Enough to make the health department try to cover it up

>Be American
>Have a headache
>Buy some Tylenol
>That'll be $200,000 plus tip

I'm happy for your fathers success, however many people (99%) of the people in the U.S don't have such grand oppurtunites. Consider having some empathy for the poorer people in our country.

probably less than 100

If you are paying 52.5% for healthcare then you must have a very large income! pay your fair share you rich bastard.

>australia
>shithole

>better care at a fraction of the cost
Are you tripping?
Everybody pays a shit ton of mandatory healthcare taxes so i might as well pay on my own.
>Then vote to make your system better
Nobody will be able to do this or even afford it

>Consider having some empathy for the poorer people in our country.
Why? They clearly didn't work as hard as my father or his ancestors did to be able to afford such therapy, so they don't deserve it.
The more you put in, the more you receive. Not happy with what you receive? Put in more.

We pay the same amount for the same meth addicts only when im sick i go into debt

then your system is flawed, again vote for reform. You can get a better deal, someone is fucking you.

>vote for reform
Do understand you mutt that nobody will be able to change this shit simply because it will cost too much? Unless we suddenly will have an economical explosion this shitfest of a healthcare will stay.

>How dare you not pay for subhumans health care

Literally saw niggers hoot and slapping hands like they were at the club in emergency rooms while my grandmother was waiting to find out if she was blind or not.

Niggers are not human and your liberal propaganda doesn't work anymore.

The USA: a radical idea

That's the point, eurofags. Sic semper tyrannis.

Not everyone was born into a life of opportunities. Not everyone had a great role model as a parent. some don't get a good education. they work very hard in life due to this disadvantage and still don't make it nearly as far. we can't all be like you and your ancestors.

Consider someone going to public school vs private... who would get the better outcome?

single parent? (say the father or mother died in an accident)

We should try to keep equality of opportunity high. (like healthcare and education)

so we can have more people like you and your family.. and wouldn't it be great if we had more good people like yourself?

>Not everyone was born into a life of opportunities
Well i don't have a million $ so c'mon empty your pockets cuckboy

If it was a free market

I lost like $1,000 to medicare taxes last year

Then I'm required to pay $2-300 for health insurance a month, or get fined

And there's a $3000 deductible before they even pay shit

If it was a free market, I'd save all that money and pay for what I want, when I want it

But now even if I could many medicines are 400% of what they cost our parents. A bottle of insulin is $350

Well they can’t use guns and Violent movies are banned so

E Q A U L I T Y O F O P P U R T U N I T Y
not equality of outcome.
education
healthcare
jobs

We can provide this. I can't speak for poland but the U.S is massively wealthy.

Who is responsible for most of the health care innovations of the last 50 years? Who subsidizes the world's health care by footing the bill for nearly all development of drugs, equipment and techniques?

I work in the medical devices industry for a company that has accounts in over 50 countries. All these check marked countries and more benefit from the US market by refusing to pay the real price for health care development and demanding reduced prices on equipment and drugs. Their regulatory bodies just rubber stamp what the FDA has approved. They leach on our R&D.

As a result they get last years model and delayed access to new products. They also have to deal with lengthy waiting and priority lists and care that would be considered substandard in the US. Most of these countries have their own private health care market that caters to the wealthy so they can get up to date quality care.

>cops are racist and out of control
>success

our health care sucks ass

Ffs you speak like a 12 yo who watched Lorax and now wants to save the world. Grow the fuck up. The only equal thing in this world is death

ebin

>chile

thank god we dont

Im not paying for your surgery. For the rare genetic few, there should be a subsidy program

Die in a fire commie

How come a good majority of those people come to the US for surgery's?

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You're one of the few people who have a legitimate argument.

But shouldn't our country be more invested in funding such research? Also a lot of our medicine is researched with money from the military budget, the army for example is a leader in making a large portion of researching medicine.

You should also know that after the initial research - the production of the drug is often much cheaper.

So what kind of solutions have you thought of? I have a feeling you may have thought of some already. Mine would simply be for the government to use tax money to make research of drugs that help our most sick and unfortunate get the help they need.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I guess for you, giving up is your style.

They have money. Money gets you first in line.
(like that boogie man soros who gets a heart transplant every year)

I think the USA is so set in it's way that universal health care is near impossible to implement without reinventing the entire system.

Australia is on that list
I know an Australian who just fucked his knee up and is on a waiting list for surgery, they'll probably get to him in 6 weeks.
The same thing happened to a pen pal of my grandmothers from England when I was a kid, except the surgery was botched and she was out of luck, and unable to use her arm.

All countries with white or NE Asian supermajorities, whereas the US has tens of millions of niggers and spics that cost the white taxpayer an immense amount of their hard-earned money

That isn't even communist. Are you politically illiterate? Not to be rude, but really, just read something not purely sensational.

Fucking leech. Let people make their money and be happy. They deserve that money, and your ass sure as hell doesn't.

Why? Because you want to take it for yourself, greedy bastard.

source: some blogspot blog anyone can make.
and I'm already certain without checking this "source" that hispanics bring in a net positive with all the taxes they pay (which most get nothing out of)

Yeah, come back when one of those countries exceeds 320 million people.

No. We are going to tread all the fuck over you!
Are you gonna leave the U.S? I don't recommend it since everywhere else is a socialist HELL for you! HAHAHAHA

If we stopped being world police and let everyone else spend what they should have to for military spending then no one would be able to afford "universal health care" except for us.

The tax rate in some of these countries are absolutely ludicrous and most likely all of them are higher than AMERICA'S. Also the wait times make this a meme only fit to work in small rich countries. I also don't trust my government to take care of me nor do I want them to

If America finds a way to make healthcare cheaper and cuts out the bureaucracy then universal healthcare will never be a talking point.

>...since everywhere else is a socialist.

No, it isn't. Do you even know of the historical origins of the welfare state? Socialism is not "whatever the government does".

They are both a net drain on society and the whole nation suffers for it. Every other country listed is mostly homogeneous except for Switzerland I guess.

>not born into it good life
Nor was my grandfather. He had 5 sets of clothes and wore his uncles army jacket to school everyday. Guess what? He's a millionaire.

>they work hard
No. The ones who want this healthcare are colored, and they live off of welfare. White trash is fine with privatized healthcare, and they work.

yes I do, I'm OP, just trying to troll this bourgeois faggot

>public vs private school

Private, usually. I went to one for 11 years, and there weren't any retards or terrible behavior. Our courses were a bit more advanced, the best thing we did was do the next year's math units along with our own.

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>single parent
My Father died of cancer. Life insurance, good family, plus mother is smart and has a masters in teaching.

America is great nation. Just don't get sick. If you do get sick, make sure your are rich.

$22k a year pay

$110 a week for insurance

$1000 deductable. pays 80% after that for some things.

If you don't get sick that comes out to $5700. Or 25%ish of your pay after taxes.

If you do have to go to the ER $2500 to walk through the door. $800 to see a doctor for 15 minutes. And another $4000 around, about for dervices and supplies. For a total of a shade over $7000 in about a 45 minute visit.

Meanwhile Pablo, works, pays no health insurance or taxes, drives a new car, and goes to the doctor for free.

What is wrong with this picture?

We do invest huge amounts of money in health care research. There are billions of dollars in grant money awarded a year to universities and public labs developing everything from specialized drug delivery methods to imaging and diagnostic systems to materials science for the manufacture of equipment.

Also you are wrong on the drug R&D costs. It may only cost millions to develop a drug but it costs billions to get it approved through FDA regulation and most companies have to set aside a billion or more per drug for inevitable litigation.

I think the US should seriously consider enacting export tariffs on US developed and approved drugs and equipment so these "free healthcare meme" countries see what the real cost of healthcare is.

Not even one of these countries are close to our population, demographics or population density distribution. False equivalence

The poor whites are brainwashed to stay complicit. Your grandfather is the story of success, but he seemed like a smart frugal man and likely passed on his knowledge and wisdom down the line!

So what if the people who benefit are colored? I believe their lack of education is their downfall. They were forced into a country to do labor and have no connection to their original culture!

Many immigration stories from Europe are successful because they were men of outstanding conviction who sought a better life. Some colored, as you have noticed are rich and successful, but you have to ask how did they get there? the mass majority of colored are simply born impoverished by a large amount.

I can say from experience that many of them try their damnedest to get out of that poverty, but being born knowing very little, with no identity, a bad education, and no role model in life will lead anyone to failure.

Empathy is a simple concept, forget everything you know, imagine yourself in their place.

What fucking job are you doing making 22k a year

looks at all these countries that get free protection from the US military. how nice that they can provide "free" healthcare to their citizens.

>muh "ThaTS OPPortunITy"
No. Healthcare is not opportunity.

And no, no, no, no, NO for education. I would never get rid of private schools. Never!! My youth in private school specifically shaped me. I was raised in a much better school environment, with much less people and uniforms.

Ah, okay.

N O T EDUCATION!!! No!

It's funny how retarded people are.

probably non-union blue color work or a service job. It's very common. Feel fortunate you aren't trapped in such a position.

I would never argue to get rid of neither private hospitals nor private schools, in fact I think we need MORE private schools. Like you said, the uniforms and specific types of teachers are what make it great!

>turn off sense of humor
>take everything literally
>be offended all the time

You're a nigger-faggot.

Oh we have that too now. Young people with treatable cancers are dying while waiting for surgery because we can't afford more operating teams and politician aren't answering when the media asks them how this is ok and the plebians are fine with this because tonight there's another episode of that mindnumbing reality show that all the healthy normal people watch. Isn't modernity fun?

The fact that they are colored matters bc:
Lower IQ
Poorer
More likely to commit crime

>separated from their culture!
Blacks are content with their cultural bucket of shit. They can go to Liberia anytime.
Latinos still have their own culture, are you on a proxy?
Asians are westernized or in their own culture.

>muh empathy
No

>what would I do?
I gained most of my knowledge as a kid my searching the internet. They can do the same, as well as study and get a scholarship. They can get one to the private high school, even, so they have a better shot at college.

My teachers were pretty meh. It's the tight-knot community that I liked. Only around 35 people each year,

I had brain surgery to remove a tumor. Didn't cost me a dime with my work's insurance. Don't be a fucking slack off in school and get scholarships to a good school. It's probably even easier to get the full ride because of affirmative action.

What percentage of those with universal health care have homogeneous populations?

Hey, can anyone tell me how many of those countries have a population of over 300 million with about half of those 300 people don't pay any federal taxs?