Tfw socialists say "we need universal basic income because automation is going to eliminate all the jobs"

>tfw socialists say "we need universal basic income because automation is going to eliminate all the jobs"

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Then what's the point of living.

Strict capitalists have no answer to mass unemployment, so Ancapistan would probably experience a Commie overthrow when the underclass hits critical mass.

>tfw you're so dumb you have to draw a brain on your skull.

>Poor people violate the NAP
>Recreation McNuke activated.

Not really, universal basic income is what capitalists say who btw also created this situation where people are below robots. The only reason why automation ruins jobs is because of profit gains with automation and firing workers. You can always pay 100 times more to workers and not have automation. Why do you need automation? Profits and free market capitalism where you produce more than country needs, it's never enough, even if everybody gets your product, you will throw it away and pretend to keep the stocks high. Capitalists want to sell everything, but not keep promises. You sell high education, but can't deliver jobs. Free market failure.

Automation has never resulted in the overall unemployment of any population. There is no evidence of "mass unemployment" caused by mechanization. Some people will certainly lose their current job, but they can always find another one if they are not useless degenerates (who deserve to starve anyway).

Mechanization always result in lower prices and better labor conditions. People are be able to work for less time and in exchange for more money. That has always been the case and there is no evidence that indicates otherwise.

>tfw u realize WE are the robots, man

>There is no evidence of "mass unemployment" caused by mechanization.

I think what a lot of people mean is that the level of mechanisation that we may well reach in the future will not be like any technological development before. Think of the way the car replaced the horse as the main form of transport. A lot of horses had to be culled because they were almost useless. So many jobs that working class people do will be taken by robots in the future.

milton friedjews invented that
>milton friedjews is a fucking socialist
fuck this place. youre all kike bag fiat money usurer degenerate cock sucking pussy lickers without anything to you. no brains. no balls. no souls. no nothing

the technocratic billionaires in charge of the robot AI industries will destroy any uprising within seconds

It will ultimately lead to great reducement in human population to a level with full employment. Problem solved.

>socialists say

UBI is not a socialist idea. It's an idea from the right to try to counteract true socialist programs.

Worker's control of the means of production is the program. Stop kicking up to the heirs and the parasites.

I love capitalism, but if automation eliminated all jobs, how would we get by without UBI?

One day, just about every part of your life will be automated.

Ancaps can't seem to see past the next 30 years.

Look far into the future to the next 1,000 years and beyond.

>mass unemployment
Since the industrial revolution, jobs have been created and eliminated every time technology and engineery has advanced, and here we are, seven and a half billion people and still growing fast.

The only people who are left out of the job market are people who refuse to adapt to the advances of technology and humanity in general, and it's an absurd that retards like YOU think we should hinder human progress to keep redundant and obsolete jobs around.

Automation is coming whether or not you like it, adapt or die, loser.

Who are you quoting?

You would "get by" because bread and milk would cost $0.001 without human overhead.

>Some people will certainly lose their current job, but they can always find another one if they are not useless degenerates
Farmers can be factory workers
Factory workers can't be Phd level AI programmers

Also, Ancaps solution for everything just seems to be more and more death. Culling the population, etc. etc. barbaric acts.

Is it so hard to strive for the human race to evolve past our cruelty?

YOU

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This. Communists only exist, ironically, because of Capitalism. Libertarians create a lot of problems that they refuse to solve.
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Whats the point in currency if there is no way to make an income doing work? You're just artificially cycling the same money in and out the system if we had UBI. Why can't we distribute goods based on what we need if it comes to a fully automated world. I know that's basically quasi-communism but what other options are there in this scenario?

Begone with your forced meme poorly masquerading as an "ideology"

They can just live off charity if they are too incompetent to attain education.

>Charity spook
Altruism is slavery.

Agreed.

Like I stated already,

Ancaps refuse to look past the next 30 years or so.

Within the next 200-300 years, we will have technology that will basically take care of us throughout our entire long, long lives.

Work? Manual labor? Everything will be so automated that the automated parts of society will be fixed by automation.

There is obviously going to be a lot of death and war and pain along the way, but one day in the very near future, we will reach a great stage in history that will have us living in a near utopia.

I mean, as long as we keep pursuing truth and advancement. That means education Ancaps and other near-sighted people.

I've said this before, timorously, and I fail to see how pontificating a very salient point automatically makes you a socialist. I'm a right libertarian btw.

As long as the Universal Basic Income funds don't come out of my pocket, or take the absolute minimum - I'm all for it.

educating*

'Cause being in competition for the left job is too hard for these degenerates. They'd rather study psychology and then ask for universal income while others wipe their asses to learn real things useful for society.

>Work? Manual labor? Everything will be so automated that the automated parts of society will be fixed by automation.

Retarded outlook.

Housework has been automated since forever and the amount of time people spend on housework hasn't changed or even increased slightly (more property acquired).

To think that there will be this automated utopia in our lifetimes is to deny human nature.

Automation itself still requires CapEx and OpEx, and no one is even crossing the street for anyone out of the goodness of their heart, much less setting up automated George Jetson Fooderacacycles and Holodecks for all of Ethiopia.

How much of Ethiopia even has a basic automation that we've had for centuries like running water for example?

>Within the next 200-300 years, we will have technology that will basically take care of us throughout our entire long, long lives.

Everyone that believes this technology will be evenly distributed is a extra gullible moron in a world of gullible morons.

Again, you're still looking at things from a very near-sighted perspective.

I can agree with much of your views when it comes to how we should take care of humanity for the next century perhaps, but after that, you're literally a meme.

I think it really comes down to whether we expect humanity to grow up and stop being selfish or whether we expect humans to remain selfish as shit lol

whats going to happen if the government starts to cut the the basic income or the prices rise? people will be left to starve since they cant make their own money, no resources, nothing, completely left to the mercy of the government

>tfw socialists say we need more immigrants to do jobs that will soon be automated according to them

Honestly. I'd be fine with universal basic income if it's done right.
Cut all welfare and government programs to zero and instead hand out 500 neet bucks to everyone. You could fire about 20 million government bureaucrats and save a lot of money.

uhh no, no utopia senpai, because no ammount of free stuff is going to satisfy, look at the rich now, do you think despite having 80% of the wealth they've had their fill? they want to control people. soon enough we'll be nothing more than slaves, UBI will be synonymous with being property. your daughters will be taken from being brides and used up for their cheap thrills while you toil away for nothing in mandatory service jobs.
As long as people want to rule other people, be they men over women, jews over whites, etc there will be no utopia. communism IS that utopia, it doesn't work because it's nothing more than the idea of a utopia where people don't spoil the soup for selfish gain.

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Meeting people, learning skills, going places, etc.

No proper socialist would ever say that. Any kind of pure unearned income is anti-socialistic.

I'm 70% ANCAP but the other 30% is fucking massive government intervention in the niches of society that a free market can't optimize. UBI isn't necessarily a terrible idea, especially if it replaces welfare.

Proper socialists are dumb and gay then.

I think we should be self reliant to a degree to give us purpose. I don't want a future of meaningless consumption. But i think having certain things distributed would be good such as materials to build houses and the tools/robots to help us. As well as some sort of transport (off-road electric powered perhaps). Hopefully we have new energy solutions to power our own lifestyles efficiently. We should be able to pick what products we consume for free.

This would mean the state has full control of production and distribution. There would be a common understanding that the government serves the people but it would have the final say on what direction our country goes and how to keep advancement continuing.

Lol I never said anything about letting Jews and dickheads run everything. If the world is going to be controlled (and it is going that way), I want it to be controlled by decent people.

The reason capitalism exists in the first place is because of the scarcity(limited supply) of resources. The problem nowadays is not so much the insufficiency of resources, but their allocation. The best manner of allocating resources to different places an to different people is by trading them within a free market.
If we were to reach singularity and have machines that could be viably produced and capable of replacing all human occupations, then resource allocation would not be a problem, rendering capitalism useless. But it is impossible to demonstrate whether such reality is imminent or even possible. And acting based solely on conjecture is simply stupid. If you think about it, socialism itself is based on starving and executing people because in the end, this will result in a "better future".

> the niches of society that a free market can't optimize
Name one.

Yeah that's the dream at least. We would still have to fight to keep the "good" people in power, though.

Annnnd that's why I'm a fascist. If the world is slowly becoming a fascist technocracy, I want to fight for the right people to be in power.

UBI is like the grain dole of antiquity. There is no surer sign of the people's servitude than when it is dependent on the hand outs from the elites to live because society is no longer structured to allow lower class men and women to survive without it and/or people have become too lazy and indolent to work for their keep.

A servile population does not get to keep its liberties. Just as in antiquity, the more people rely on the state for their bread and circuses, the more their freedoms will be taken away.

>The best manner of allocating resources to different places an to different people is by trading them within a free market.
He says, as millions of man-hours are spent each year engineering, manufacturing, and distributing sweet drinks and candy for negroes to gorge themselves on until they collapse under their own weight.

free market health insurance doesn't optimize to protect patients with preexisting conditions

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Is that why Niggers vote Democrat?

The only situation in which full automation would be worth a damn would be when the need for money would become non-existent. Otherwise, you'll forever be a financially dependent Rothschild slave that will get his salary terminated if you get too uppity against them. Which is why (((UBI))) is pushed so hard out of nowhere.

Well. If you are retarded enough to wait until you are sick to go shopping for health insurance then you deserve to die imho.

Why can't socialists just emigrate to a country where everyone is obsessed with licking the dick of the state?

Why can't they fuck off from countries that don't want to live like that?

>implying dysgenic selection is desirable
This is actually one situation where the free market works.

Because it's more fun to enforce your will on other people.

You talking right now during the slow automation crawl. What happens when auto trucks come out and one of the largest job fields suddenly stops existing? What happens when MCdeeznuts comes out with a fully automated nigger proof building? The only job left there is security, until Boston robotics releases a security bot. Face it ancap, the only remaining jobs left will be administrative, science and engineering related. So what do with the jobless masses? Make more robots and give those robots tasks so humans can oversee and repair? Avoiding full communism in this environment would see the bulk humanity as a service class to robot AIs. However if done right every one can live in the post scarcity star trek utopia with out niggers because niggers will never learn enough to make it in the high tech world of robotics. I time where being NEET isn't a bad thing because the drain on resources is easily compensated for.

Humanity has collectively contributed to the advancement of technology and society. We should all benefit from the fruits of that labor.
(Except the corrupt rats that think they own mankind, fuck them)

Watch rent go up by 500 overnight

>Humanity has collectively contributed to the advancement of technology and society.
No, not really.

this

If done right, it'll all work out. The neofascist technocracy doesn't have to be run by fucking kikes and good goys. It can be ran by decent people and be awesome.

Doubt it. I think it would actually go down, because my plan would completely cut all rent assistance.

>nu zealand
you really are the leafs of the south

They vote for Democrats because they are tricked and manipulated by the elites to vote against their interest. Look at "Black Lives Matters". They have been taught to believe that cops are their enemies, even those the vast majority of police are working class people like themselves.

The problems that plague black communities are crime, poverty, drugs, and overall lack of opportunities. Why those problems exist is a matter of debate, but they are NOT the problems of the cops, who are only dealing with the consequences of one of those problems. If they do not have opportunities and want someone to blame, they are best to focus on the managerial (and mostly Democratic voting) elite that run the country. But they don't because their anger is being redirected towards other members of their economic class. This is how the elites stay in power.

>dude just decide not to have a congenital heart defect lmao

>Collectively

By collectively, you mean the Huwite Male and his Asian friends right?

Yes and it’s also why the authoritarian PC types are eager to enact mincome. Dependent populations can be lectured and hectored and will not complain for fear of having benefits cut off. Mincome will come with ropes attached.

Yes it has. For example: Do you really think all those theoretical physicists and such would have had the brain power to create shit like Cern without the generosity of 3rd world children donating their Adrenalin glands?

Who cares what you decide? Why should you live long enough to pass on your genes? What good does that do?

you can have coverage since birth, but in ancap a company would refuse to renew you any time you develop a chronic illness

How would I get 0.001 dollars without a job?

Those that are not capable of educating themselves and finding new and unexplored markets could still live a very reasonable life provided by private charities. Remember that production costs and therefore prices would be extremely low.

kek, well played

It's called evolution. Makes humanity a lot better over the long run, because when you keep everyone with a heart birth defect alive it would be passed down and then all humans would have this defect by now.

Panhandling.

What if you didn't let people fuckin die a terrible death AND kept them from spreading their genes?

Ancaps are some heartless mothers I swear

Why invent a solution if the problem solves itself? Fear of death is the root of modern man's cowardice.

>What's the point of life if I can't work?

>kept them from spreading their genes
What. You want state enforced sterilization programs? No thanks. I'm not a fan of Stalin.

So you would rather them die like a short spark than give them a fulfilled life without the risk of spreading their genes?

Pick one.

Then kill yourself

Yes, I pick the first option.

No, I enjoy being alive.

It's called creative destruction. Malinvestments must be culled or else society as a whole gets cancer and dies.

I recommend checking into a mental hospital, then.

And that's why people don't want to die. It usually isn't fear, it's a desire to continue living. Fear comes from dying a painful death.

For most people alive today there is no point and if a post-scarcity AI-driven society was reached they would literally just lay down and die. Being a slave and living to work is bred into the genes of nearly all human populations, even many whites such as britbongs.

>y-you think death is a normal part of life???
>you MONSTER
t. modern """male"""
Death is nature's mercy on living things born to suffer.

You're a weak ass faggot. You only die once. It should be as painful and awesome as possible.

You make no sense lol. You can still give someone a long and fulfilled life without spreading their "cancer".

Why should I choose to work if I'd still be able to fulfill my needs thanks to private charities?

I'm unemployed and I can say you that the life without work is boring.

Damn I cut myself on your edge bro holy shit

You would be the first one to have your balls clipped by the government for having "hate speech" genes. If you let the state decide who can reproduce and who can`t, they can do so arbitrarily.

I hope you feel better soon.

Not without totally controlling them. And I'm against that.

Work is shit, but it give purpose and accomplishment. Gotta have bad to have good, otherwise you get mass hedonism.

In an ancap society there will be businesses providing a quick and painless suicide at a low cost for those moments when you don't enjoy being alive.

Not if I run the government.

And you're controlling them by not allowing them to live a longer life.

I'm done. The circular reasoning and edginess is too much.

A half-nigger, half-yellow Feels-san. Diversity wins the day. Take that racists.

To improve your current life even more. I could technically live off food stamps for the rest of my life, but I`d rather not.