Short: Chase Rachels is an extremely right wing libertarian, wrote a very popular book called "Spontaneous Order." He has been trying to take out the leftists elements that have near total control of the community. He writes another book about how culture in important and how libertarianism is actually extremely, if not the most extreme right wing ideology. Asks Hans Hoppe to write a foreward for the new book. Hoppe reads the book and loves it, agrees to write the foreward for the book.
Everything is fine until (((someone))) at the Mises institute hears about this, goes full commie and finds the proposed book cover that was meant to be private. (pic relevant) This "person" throws an autistic shit fit and people at Mises tell Hoppe to withdraw his support and foreward of the book. Hoppe tells Chase he is being FORCED to withdraw his support. (probably monetary / academic threats)
Rachel's says he'd be happy to change the proposed cover as it has not been made public. This goes unanswered by several people. A little later this same autistic commie faggot gets a hold of the proposed cover and leaks it to prevent this from coming to fruition. Now Mises has scrubbed every reference to Chase Rachels from their site.
The lesson, is the same lesson we have always learned. Once the left has their hooks in something it can never be right wing again. They're like an incurable disease. They'll play as dirty as possible to prevent you from winning.
I'd love for this individual to be exposed for what they are, but i doubt that will ever happen.
The cover is honestly very edgy and tacky. I love it for that, but I'm an autistic NEET on a korean glass-blowing forum. Most people would, at best, turn their nose up at it, and at worst... well, I need not describe that.
The LvMI relies on donations, so associating with an unpalatable-looking book like this is a sure way to see a drop in financial support.
Henry Barnes
I agree but the point is this was a private proposed cover not a public one someone made it public to hurt mises and chase and maybe even Hoppe.
What a dumb bitch, you're not supposed to hang statist parasites off of helicopters, you THROW them out.
Chase Brown
Statists should be killed by any means necessary, whether by broken necks or drowning.
Cameron Lewis
Sam Francis' law, the leadership of an organization is to the left of its rank and file. The only recent exception that comes to mind would be the Nazis.
Oh, and "freedom" (to shirk Duty and degenerate) and capitalism (which inevitably morphs into plutocracy) are evil.
Jaxson Nguyen
I agree this cover isn't of the best taste. The Mises Institute's reaction is legitimate, and you stirring up a controversy on such a little thing as if it was some big ideological divide when it is just a matter of editorial choice makes me think you have another agenda.
Samuel Gomez
I'm stirring up controversy not the person leaking the cover. ok (((user)))
Xavier Mitchell
...
Jordan Jenkins
>statists should be killed >let me suck pinochet's fat authoritarian hog btw
Julian Nelson
Alright, fine.
LEFTISTS should be killed by any means necessary, whether by broken necks or drowning.
Chase Ward
I always knew that the mises-institute libertarians where the most crazy and unpresentable ones.
Mason Martinez
That's a compliment in the leftist world we live in.
Easton Thomas
Hmmm, what's this rightwing comrade? I see you once googled "Das Kapital" in 2011? What are you, some kind of leftist?
Austin Lopez
Denying degeneracy as a choice is not slavery, it is promoting entry to the "hero" class of the pic. Humans are predisposed to degeneracy and disorder by nature. The forces of culture, society, and state have to be marshaled to raise them up, to ennoble them.
>Denying degeneracy as a choice is not slavery, it is promoting entry to the "hero" class of the pic. You cannot be free to do good if you are not free to do evil; likewise, you cannot be free to become great if you are not free to degenerate.
>Humans are predisposed to degeneracy and disorder by nature If this were the case, no civilization or hierarchy could ever have arisen. Allow me to qualify: In the absence of duty, humans are predisposed to degeneracy and disorder by nature. Confer with Nietzsche.
>The forces of culture, society, and state have to be marshaled to raise them up, to ennoble them. Whose responsibility is it to do that? Surely no human should be expected to do so; you yourself said that they are predisposed to degeneracy and disorder.
Aaron Morgan
How much Nietzsche have you read? Be honest.
Joseph Perez
I'm guessing a summary written by his gender studies TA.
Eli Young
Should murder, rape, etc. be legal because, if I'm not free to degenerate and commit these crimes, I haven't truly risen above them and been shown great?
Civilization arose because hierarchies waged ruthless war on men's lower nature via all possible means, violence included. This freedom nonsense has only arisen in the recent past, i.e., when high culture and noble men have been obliterated and technology relied upon to keep civilization running smoothly.
Men are unequal in their degeneracy. It's up to the superior, a mannerbund, to take leadership and enforce higher standards on the masses.
Carson Ortiz
And I'm guessing your world history knowledge is from a summary written by stormfriend.
Totalitarianism has only arisen in the recent past. Even sophisticated medieval societies lacked the infrastructure to effectively impose control of daily life on the population outside their palaces. The first symptom of the end of liberty was the forcible disappearance of pirates and bandits. Primitive liberty still thrives in the parts of the world that the civilized call shitholes.
James Edwards
People didn't used to be free to opt out of Christian norms. Right up to the early 20th century, people were pressured and propagandized from all directions. It's true that a central, far away state wasn't there to impose these norms, but local governments, and local society, and one's own family didn't tolerate going outside of these norms to any great extent. One example, my aunt was disowned by her Catholic parents and siblings for divorcing her first husband in the early 1960's. Previous to the 20th century, when most people lived in small communities, family and local society essentially coerced people into acting according to Christian norms. Any significant breach, like distributing pornography, would have been handled by local government. Our concept of "freedom" is a recent invention.
Andrew Anderson
Why are helicopters so damn expensive?
Gavin Richardson
Because of their nature. If you want rotor craft on the cheap, look into autogyros. The gyrocopter can't hover (unless you count brief stalls), but as a consequence it doesn't need a swashplate and all that complicated helicopter bullshit. Also you can achieve vtol with a prerotator.
Unfortunately it can carry only a single communist in addition to the pilot, but beggars can't be choosers. You want a true helicopter, start saving those shekels.
Parker Ward
that could be literally anyone at LVMI. disenfranchised leftists have been welcomed in with open arms during the entirety of 2000-2012, and they sneak in still. poke any of them hard enough and they flip their shit, like jeff tucker did.
this has nothing to do with austrian economics, nerd
Ayden Long
>2 seats why does the communist even need a seat
Cameron Hernandez
That's called culture and people regularly fled it as hermits, bandits, mercenaries, and other social release valves. The cost of living in a society is following the rules it uses to survive. Many chose not to because they were free to do so. Such options are going extinct in the post-modern world.
Caleb Carter
That is one lulzy cover
Isaac Sullivan
It's more that tandem gyros are designed to carry two people, and can deliver a satisfactory level of performance. Typically single-seaters are only rated for the pilot's weight, so unless you wait for the communists to become emaciated as a natural consequence of their ideology, it'll take longer to reach an appropriate altitude. This will both slow your execution rate, as well as render it less fuel efficient.
I'm not aware of single seater gyros with a decent cargo rating, but that would be the optimal solution for poorfags. Otherwise, a tandem one is probably the most practical way to get into aerial executions for the aspiring ancap.
Ethan Fisher
Holy shit. What a fucking dumbass. This is what happens when you take memes too seriously. But he wasn't satisfied with autisticly shouting 'Pepe' in public (*ahem* Richard Spencer), he had to use the dumbest, edgiest, most far-right component of libertarianism memes available. Fucking idiot. And he actually considered attaching a scholar's name to it! He deserves all the ostracism he gets, but everyone really should've kept a tighter lid on this shit. Nobody has come out of this looking good.
Jonathan Peterson
Much as I like individualism, libertarians take it to the point where it is invariably left wing. Without a collective that defends property rights there are no property rights, just a state of struggle to define them. Libertarians on the right are doomed to be subverted by the left for as long as they adhere to the concept of liberty before order. This is backwards. Order begets liberties based on duties to uphold order. Modernity abstracts this out so far that many can live with no sense of duty and that is the essence of both classical liberalism and progressive ideology. They believe liberty solves problems and should be granted to ensure a good order. But modern experience begs the contrary. An ordered society gave people liberty through the excess productive potential of safe and functional societies. Now that safety and functionality are in decline, liberty is eroding.
Perhaps, unlike progs, libertarians will realize that in order to maximize liberty the enforcement of order must be justified and carried out. The consequential argument for this order can be liberty but not vice versa.
Michael Murphy
From a mareting perspective, perfect. Drama sells, just needsto be spread more.
Colton Rivera
>Libertarians on the right are doomed to be subverted by the left for as long as they adhere to the concept of liberty before order Libertarians on the right (that is, ancaps, and Hoppean/Rothbardian ancaps specifically) understand that there must be order in order for liberty to flourish. It is left-wing libertarianism that promotes degeneracy.
Adrian Robinson
Cmon that type of cover only appeals to the edgiest of libertarians/hardcore righ wing/trump supporters which to me is fine because it would help to bring em back on the liberty side but no reputable institution is going to openly promote something like this
Jack Cruz
>Libertarian >Doesn't realize when a cover wouldn't be profitable You're not going to spread your ideas if people are embarrassed to buy your edgy book.
Tyler Cox
The fact that this faggot author purposely withheld the cover of the book and only revealed it after hoppe had written the foreword makes me think all this "controversy" was planned, i believe this book will be very well received by the far right/trump supporters
Not only that but the author is going to include the foreword even after Hoppe asked him to withdraw it
Jonathan Roberts
Idk man. The world is changing rapidly. I wore my "Pinochet's Helicopter Tours" cut off to the pool with my family. And my when my Boomer dad asked about (thinking it was a real company and wondering when I went on a Helicopter ride) I told him about it's real meaning and he laughed and said that was hilarious. The world is getting fed up with the left in this country.
Aaron Davis
>Not only that but the author is going to include the foreword even after Hoppe asked him to withdraw it But as mentioned on his site, it appears as though the cringy cover was the only issue that was of concern to Hoppe. That has since been changed. If Mises has an issue with the word "white" being in the title, they can get fucked. Rothbard wouldn't have stood for that bullshit, and neither should Hoppe.
Henry Anderson
Im not saying its right but either way the author should have the common decency and respect towards Hoppe to remove the foreword if asked to
Jack Walker
>turn their noses up at it no dumbass, it would get a bunch of people screaming about it on tv which is exactly why it would have gotten read. books these days are a no sell so they need a gimmick like this to hit critical mass stupidsnek
Adrian Adams
Are you unable to understand a man’s genuine, by his own admission, wish to separate himself from such an inflammatory cover?
James Carter
>x thing I dont like doesnt count >things never count >nap effectively rendered meaningless by abuses just like the treaty of Versailles
Noah Jones
There's nothing wrong with reading the enemy's literature.
Jacob Roberts
It's peacocking. Pure marketing wank.
Mason Edwards
Perhaps he wants to know why you would hang a man from a helicopter?
Thomas Lopez
Im 100% certain the author leaked the picture and not the Mises institute and also made this thread because the cover is literally Sup Forums-tier memes
>asks Hoppe to write foreword (never shows cover) >Hoppe does >shows cover >Hoppe no longer wants to be associated with book >Author changes cover but Hoppe no longer wants to be associated with book >Author wants us to believe that the very same institute that "pressured" Hoppe and doesnt want the Mises institute to be associated with cringy memetier book would purposely leak it and associate themselves with said book
Chase Bailey
His interpretation of events is that Hoppe is asking to remove the foreword under duress from Mises. There would be no negative consequences for Hoppe if the guy declined to do so. Indeed, if he is correct, Hoppe could benefit by both effectively endorsing a book he seems to agree with, as well as satisfying Mises' cuckiness because he did all that is reasonably possible to dissociate himself from that book.
Xavier Carter
>He deserves all the ostracism he gets His work has merrit and that should not be ostracized off the planet because a stupid cover. Fuck off faggot.
Andrew King
>an institute dedicated to libertarianism puts restrictions on personal expression wew
Samuel Perry
dude chase rachels is some fucken sociopath tier idiot lol
Lincoln Jackson
It's a tragedy that libertarianism was hijacked by regressives. Maybe it was the own fault of libertarians for holding doors open for degenerates in attempts to boost their numbers. Contrary to common way of thinking, being too ''inclusive'' when you are small is actually the way to kill your movement by letting in people that shouldn't be there.
The NAP can't be applied to people that are subversive, demoralizing or anti-liberty.
Ian Gray
>that joke cover intended for his peers, and not for public consumption When ironic shitposts go wrong.
Elijah Wood
>welterweight writer writes book with meme tier title >HHH agrees to write foreword for it >HHH pulls out when the even more meme tier cover is leaked >CCR still releases book even with HHH requesting he does not use his foreword >posts personal conversations with all of the mises staff
christopher chase rachels is seriously a fucking retard man. also are we forgetting that this cunt wants to be the leader of the traditional movement to save the west when he's the father of a bastard child, has had gay sex and used to be in a bisexual open relationship or some shit? i wouldn't trust the cunt as far as i could throw him.
Easton Powell
>an institute dedicated to libertarianism decides not to publish shit with references to pinochet (AN ACTUAL FASCIST) on the cover
wow just wow
Jonathan Butler
>Somehow think you can force your ideals without big government
Biggest flaw in Libertarianism/Ancap
Jaxon Cook
This lmao.
They want everyone to obey them but don't want big government. It will end up like communism which is meant to be stateless but of course you can't make everyone give up their shit without a totalitarian government. Same flaw.
Matthew Myers
except libertarians dont think this. i cannot speak for all but my opinion is that in a free market of culture with no state suppressing tradition or conservatism, western culture would come out on top because it is undoubtedly the strongest. traditional ideals are strong enough that in the end nature will enforce them.
Xavier Ortiz
only retard meme tier libertarians suck pinochets cock
Nathan Butler
Except most libertarians aren't ancaps and do believe in some type of minimal government
Robert Hernandez
It's not really government that are suppressing traditional values and western culture. It's (((certain people))) who have infiltrated the education system and media who spread anti western ideals
Free market won't fix this problem. You need fascism for that.
Hudson Collins
yeah its jews who end up in government
minimise government and you wont have this problem
Oliver Butler
Are you retarded? Libertarians dont want you to obey them they want you to leave them alone, admittedly they would like to reduce wasteful government spending, which honestly is almost everything, but that doesnt mean ending the legal system and the government can still enforce contracts anf protect property rights
Owen Evans
Actually most of the influence comes from outside of government.
I can't recall any rothschilds being in government. Soros isn't in government etc. So getting rid of the government really wouldn't change anything.
Adrian Reyes
you think those kikes dont lobby government?
Caleb Miller
Of course they do
You think they won't have power when government is gone? They have all the money lmao
Jaxon Sullivan
It does because it removes certain means to power that these people use on the population.
The government is very influential because it allows a bidding contest for rich people to rig the system in there interests. Since the government is meddling with the economy, it is actually it's only way to know what people need of them.
why would ANYONE take this pencil neck cunt seriously
Jordan Mitchell
I wonder what authority will identify the statists and carry out the executions.
Levi Baker
Thats precisely the point, as long as the government has certain powers there will always be people trying to use it to their advantage, end these powers and the only way to get money is through the market which benefits everyone and affords no special privileges to anyone
Also monopolies are only possible with government intervention
Henry Moore
>Also monopolies are only possible with government intervention
The absolute state of your brain
Josiah Lopez
explain how a monopoly would exist without the government m8
Carter King
Communists will try to infiltrate everything.
Eli Williams
>Company dominates the market >Provides services at a loss to bankrupt competitors >Done
Liam Smith
>someone comes up with a more efficient way to provide goods/services >oh wow no more monopoly >oh wait there's the government to make sure that monopoly stays in place
Lincoln Baker
>someone comes up with a more efficient way to provide goods/services >Monopoly company uses their dominance to adopt this efficient way of providing good/services >Smaller company is now gone
Jose Thomas
btw governments actually have laws against monopolies.
I don't know about the US, but in Australia they do. For example, our top 2 supermarket chains have had a lot of regulations placed on them to avoid this situation
Hudson Lee
Kek you are a child my friend educate yourself
>"This is the story of something for nothing—of making the other fellow pay. This making the other fellow pay, of getting something for nothing, explains the lust for franchises, mining rights, tariff privileges, railway control, tax evasions. All these things mean monopoly, and all monopoly is bottomed on legislation."
>"And monopoly laws are born in corruption. The commercialism of the press, of education, even of sweet charity, is part of the price we pay for the special privileges created by law. The desire of something for nothing, of making the other fellow pay, of monopoly in some form or other, is the cause of corruption. Monopoly and corruption are cause and effect. Together, they work in Congress, in our Commonwealths, in our municipalities. It is always so. It always has been so. Privilege gives birth to corruption, just as the poisonous sewer breeds disease. Equal chance, a fair field and no favors, the “square deal,” are never corrupt. They do not appear in legislative halls nor in Council Chambers. For these things mean labor for labor, value for value, something for something. This is why the little business man, the retail and wholesale dealer, the jobber, and the manufacturer are not the business men whose business corrupts politics."
>"No law can create labor value. But laws can unjustly distribute labor value; they can create privilege, and privilege despoils labor of its product. Laws pass on to monopoly the pennies, dimes and dollars of labor."
in that case who cares? you're getting an item in the cheapest and most efficient manner possible. why does it matter?
Sebastian Wright
I hate labels. Every ideology has holes. Best to choose the ones that make sense and evolve over time with baby steps.
Less government intervention is critical for this to happen, but we can't go straight off the tit.
Libertarianism is becoming the cool kid on the block, but we are literally 50 years away from realizing it's potential. Most important to kill off "progressivism" and neo-cons first.
Camden Flores
He fucked up with that retarded cover. Even if he changed it, once that original one had been made it would have leaked eventually, and dragged Hoppe's name through the mud for no reason. Bad judgment call.
Blake Diaz
It's time to clean our country of degeneracy brothers
Juan Brown
>tribalist right >libertarian one of these things is not like the other.
Robert Ramirez
Doesn't matter if it was private- it would have leaks eventually, as it did. I'd say whoever alerted Hoppe ahead of time likely did him a huge service.
Cameron Hughes
That's literally how it works. Monopolies that aren't backed by violence cannot form, because the usual set of weapons they are supposed to have (predatory pricing, massive horizontal/vertical integration, etc.) are extremely inefficient in an open market.
Look at Standard Oil, for instance. It's the stereotypical monopoly bogeyman, and it is always held up as an example of the need for antitrust legislation. They innovated the shit out of the oil industry, and despite reaching around 88% of the market share in the US at its peak, dropped price of kerosene in the country from 26 cents/gallon to less than 5. Is it any wonder that the majority of the lobbying efforts for its breakup came from its competitors (who, by the time of the breakup, collectively controlled 40% of the market)?
Julian Stewart
Voluntary police officers who go after violators of the NAP. Violation of the NAP includes trying to get policies in place that violate the NAP.
Jordan Collins
This is why I went full-pirate. Fuck half measures.
Kayden Robinson
they used to do monopoly busting here, but i don't think they have done many of those in the last 10 or so years. I think microsoft got hit with one, and some Telecos, but they've all reformed back together again. fucking stupid.
Dylan Moore
If that author includes Hoppe's forward after he expressly asked him to take it out, I don't even have the words to describe what a despicable faggot he is
Nathaniel Russell
so a libertarian isn't allowed to have particular pictures on his own book? got it.
Luke Peterson
Nigger, if someone tells you they can't use your writing as part of their book, they you DONT USE IT. When he said "I'm afraid I'm forced to withdraw my forward" that's like saying "I'm afraid I have to withdraw my forward". English isn't even his first language- this doesn't mean he's being coerced against his will to do something.
Logan Lee
>"One of the principal reasons we got into the mess we’re in is that we allowed schooling to become a very profitable monopoly, guaranteed its customers by the police power of the state. Systematic schooling attracts increased investment only when it does poorly, and since there are no penalties at all for such performance, the temptation not to do well is overwhelming. That’s because school staffs, both line and management, are involved in a guild system; in that ancient form of association no single member is allowed to outperform any other member, is allowed to advertise or is allowed to introduce new technology or improvise without the advance consent of the guild. Violation of these precepts is severely sanctioned – as Marva Collins, Jaime Escalante and a large number of once-brilliant teachers found out."
>"The guild reality cannot be broken without returning primary decision-making to parents, letting them buy what they want to buy in schooling, and encouraging the entrepreneurial reality that existed until 1852. That is why I urge any business to think twice before entering a cooperative relationship with the schools we currently have. Cooperating with these places will only make them worse."
Sup Forums memes are funny and clever, this is just a grotesque picture of limp corpses hanging from a helicopter. And the logos don't even make sense. We want to kill all Muslims and Feminists now?
Charles Parker
>We want to kill all Muslims and Feminists now?
Wait, we don't?
Carson Diaz
Like he mentioned in his thing, the sudden change in Hoppe's tune, plus the specific and likely intentional wording of his email ("I am forced to withdraw my preface"), may well indicate that Hoppe was instructed by Mises to wash his hands of it. If what the guy says is correct, and Hoppe read thorough and seemed on board with the entire book, then it's a pretty suspicious change of heart all of the sudden, no?
Bentley Harris
If an inventor's idea is dead on arrival because he knows the monolith company will take the profit away then the main incentive is all but gone. I suppose the inventor would get to purchase the good at lower rates and they would have helped humanity in an altruistic fashion but is that really enough to drive innovation?
Ryan Perry
Sure he is but im also allowed to promote whoever i want in my institute and if i dont want to promote a book with a meme cover you can change it or promote it somewhere else.
Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything
Aaron Brooks
This is not good. The Misses institute is best academic org that right libertarians have to offer. How do we fix this?
