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The day when there will be no 2D hand drawn anime, will be the true end of anime. I will never watch anything made in full 3D. Thankfully there is ~5000 interesting series which I didn't watch yet, so, well.

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They need to reduce the amount of shit, get better at picking the better shows and don't let directors fuck up the endings.

We are at like a bubble with the most amount of series running each session. Anything week get greenlighted. It has to burst at some point, then the industry will mature.

Their utter incompetence when it comes to monetizing anime overseas is pretty impressive.
Oh well, spend all your time memorizing kanji so you dont have time to learn english so its impossible for you to consider pursuing business opportunities in the rest of the world.
Japan made its own mess.

They did fine with their games. Also,
>wanting anime to be popular overseas

After KF I'm not as worried about this as I used to be. Still sucks though.

Oh look, it's the monolingual language expert.

Oh right, its not that they cant monetize because of incompetence, they CHOOSE not to monetize their work abroad because they dont need dirty gaijin dollars.

>Because production committees hold IP licenses, as well as merchandising and distribution rights, profits from anime productions fail to reach studios.

No wonder based KyoAni decided to look for their own source material rather than keep on relying on Kadokawa

Now you're getting it.

Sasuga Nippon, willing to go down with their sinking ship as long as they get to keep drawing moeshit and not cater to gaijin.

>I hate making money

>don't invest
>waaaah waah they don't gift me momey because of my lack of confidence in projects I partake in
Why are Tokyo based studios so goddamn stupid?

Do you think gaijin, as opposed to otaku, are willing to buy a 80$ BD volume containing only 2 episodes 6 fucking time if they stopped drawing moeshit?

Otaku only do it because jap goverment treats piracy as seriously as murder cases.

It's the best way to support a show

>anime will die in your lifetime
Good

Isn't there more anime being produced now than ever? They're just encouraging otaku to panic buy.

You aware half the traffic from nyaa was from Japan?

This.

Are you implying that nip otakus are serial killers?

>no more half assed adaptations and more original work
wew

So finally I can leave Sup Forums and kill myself for good

That doesn't mean anything.
In 2000 there were more new websites per month then ever before.
Mid-90s the american market was choked full with comic series.
In fact, look up the comic book crash, that might be what's happening now.
Usually it wouldn't be that much of an catastrophe. But we live in horrible times, the times of cheap and horrible looking 3DCG. If something like this happens now, good bye.
I mean, I loved KF, but it still looked bad. It would have been charming if we didn't have to worry about the end of animu that doesn't look like pixarshitney.

>everybody on Sup Forums is from burgerland

if animation were not sweatshop-tier slavery we would not need to have this conversation

They could just actually start paying animators more than McDonalds cashiers

Lmao are they admitting defeat from the Chinese animation market? They better not

>implying

Nyaa pantsu crashed several times because there were 6 million japs simultaneously visiting the website

I dont understand how anyone can survive in japan with the animators paycheck.
Id rather be a nurse wiping the ass of an elderly than be an animator in japan.

The studios simply need better deals.
getting them isn't simple, however.,

I wonder how many nips committed suicide after nyaa went down if they're that desperate.

So if anime dies would manhwa be allowed here? And why not rename it to manga and manhwa while we're at it.

My guess is 9400$ is what they would get if they were working on one show at a time.

Any asian cartoon/comic is already allowed here.

I feel like none of you retards read the article. The market for anime is doing fine. The staff behind anime is treated like dog shit, though. This isn't anything new, but if they don't get their shit together you can expect your waifus to actually end up in the trash.

Yes, because union rates certainly helped expand american animation houses and didnt directly cortelate with all animation moving over seas or to flash at all.

The low end is distorted by the pay scales of temporary outsourcing of animation to SE Asia, specifically Dragon Ball Super's use of Philippine artists. It brought the average wage (and quality) down considerably.

It's $9400 a year. It's just that shit.

>en.rocketnews24.com/2017/05/19/studio-ghibli-director-hayao-miyazaki-cancels-retirement-hires-artists-for-last-feature-film/
>employees will receive a monthly salary of 200,000 yen (US$1,797)

Even student with McJob earn more than $2k a month
If Hayao fucking Miyazaki can't pay you more than $2k a month then what does that mean for other studio ?

This is textbook market saturation. They either need to start increasing their market (targeting foreign people for sales) or the anime market will eventually collapse, many studios will close and the industry will shrink.

>retarded studios can't invest and want sympathy

This is why GODANI is on it's way to the top along with Toei who makes $billions.

It's not in our interest for them to make money that way. Catering to the west means catering to (((them))).

>muh contracted Studio
That's why KyoAni move from that shit.

Good, current anime needs to dies.

>hey guys, let's make 95% of our shows about FUCKING HIGH SCHOOL and pander to marginal creepy disgusting "muh pure virgin seiyuus!" NEETS with no money nor income and just make no effort to sells to that fucking hugeload market outside of our GLORIOUS NIPPON country we so fucking love and love to remind us in our shows because our economic model is totally not fucked and birthrate dying. Yeah fucking brilliant!

Thank fuck for mangas...

The problem is the current wealth distribution on how anime works. As already noted, the anime industry is EXTREMELY profitable, BUT, 99% of ALL the money goes to some fat bald faceless man who owns the publishing rights and is in charge of "distribution of services". I WONDER where I HAVE heard of such a awful distribution scheme before?

Explains all the faceless men doujin, they represent the 1% publisher board members and how they cuck the entire industry out of every penny.

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>mangas

Who fucking cares about anime?

What fucking time capsule you are in? Look at the most profitable new franchise anime that recently spawn and tell me which is them follow the ancient high school battle harem THAT FINANCIALLY succeeded.

CR viewing demographics is a good financial bar to see the average popularity vs. profitability of a series and most of these "moeshit" are just glorified ads for the the LN or manga series nowadays. The publishers rake shitton cash for liscense tie-in and external good sales, that is why studio make crap all because the anime doesnt really "EXPLICITLY" make money, the 3rd party wares do.

Thank god for those manga that do essentially the same thing. You reek of stupidity.

Anime studios should be more adventurous and try to invest some dosh into their anime. Well, at least the most promising looking ones.
They could end up successful like Kyoani or fail like Gonzo, it's a risk but it's a necessary one to survive at this point.

The low wages is the critical problem and it can't be solved unless anime stops being niche and becomes mainstream enough so it can afford a decent budget.
It's this way due to the production committee system, to lower the risks and prevent flops from outright bankrupting the investors. Anime had to have a pathetic budget that a bunch of investors can afford, while producing as many diverse anime as possible, if 1 out of 10 succeed, the returns from the expensive BDs and merchandise are able to cover the losses and then some.
So for the producers it helps to make as much as possible there is no reason not to, but that only keeps the stress on anime studios and reduces the quality of anime tremendously.

The anime industry is like a giant pachinko machine for the producers, they keep gambling until they get a hit.

The industry collapsing is obviously not a good thing, but with luck it'll provide the opportunity to create a more sustainable model. I'd love to see something like just a handful of smaller studios with permanent employees.

>it looked bad
It was the least repulsive cg anime I've ever seen so it looked good to me.

>muh industry
feels good to be a normalfag.

That's exactly what it needs.

Kill yourself retard.

I don't understand why they don't have a CR equivalent and/or make ad money. The fact of the matter is that if you keep shitting on animators and keep trying to sell $100 blu-rays to otaku neets it's just not going to work in the long run.

>dies
>mangas
Kill yourself, my man.

I never understood why people like anime. It's either chu2 shit or self-fulfillment stories with Beta MC. Both having shit writing.

Anime is the most dispensable medium, it didn't produce much "art" nor any worthwhile entertainment.

It's shit.

>any worthwhile entertainment
Is there even any "worthwhile" entertainment?

As long as Sunrise give me more Love Live, the rest can fuck off.

Jerking off.

My likely-wrong and ignorant guess would be that things just work in a certain way right now and can't be shifted without damaging the delicate balance things are currently in. And are blurays really such a major source of income? Seems unlikely.

They do have something. daisuki.net/. Hasn't taken off at all even 2 years on, and I think Bandai Namco just bought all the other original partners out, but it's there. They even relatively recently added a subscription service, I subscribed, don't mind throwing $5 a month at it, even if I never use it. Not going to watch anything streaming, I still prefer fansubs, but if the money does go more directly to the source, even if it is the productions companies taking the majority off it, I don't mind paying. They really should have pushed this way harder and only offered shows through it, instead of giving licenses to CR, etc. How they expected their own competitor site to get popular when they still give shows away to their own competition, I don't understand.

>what is peak production
>what is audience fatigue

>Love Live
It's dead, jim.

>2017
>still watching shitnime
Well deserve, fucking weebs.

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Weird
I'll probably sub later.

>such a major source of income
Not technically, but the thing is that the animation industry doesn't really work in terms of net profit, a lot of the sales from figs and stuff never make it to the places that are actually relevant.

So what keeps it all rolling? New hires being completely ill-informed about what it's like to work for studios? If the studios are getting shafted I imagine some will close down, and there will generally be less anime produced, but perhaps with better wages.

Social housing + unhealthy diet comprised of skipping meals and instant noodles.

Fucking Sup Forums and their love for shit that you need to add "shit" into everything that you say.

They already have a CR equivalent. It doesn't make them much money because they never seem to care about it. Besides, anime that sells a shit ton of BDs is popular across all forms. Merch, streaming, vidya, ect.

However, nips are starting to take BiliBili seriously, it's the only streaming platform that gets them impressive enough numbers that doesn't account as more pocket change money.

Chinks are cucking the western fanbase for anime producers' attention. CR has been there for fucking forever and nothing came of it. Now japs are seriously pandering to chinks and we're getting collabs and actual chink anime every season.

they're often shitposted to death while the few with actual discussion are drowned out.

What are you doing here then?

There's literally no titles on that site, no surprise it hasn't taken off.

Bilibili is Chinese right? It's basically Chinese Niconico?
I mean I guess if the Chinese prop up the anime industry for a bit longer it's not really a big deal for now.

>dead

>The day when there will be no 2D hand drawn anime, will be the true end of anime
RIP Anime, 195something - late 2000s

tl;dr: a bunch of problems KyoAni doesn't suffer from.
>in the future the only anime will be KyoAnime
I do not see a problem.

>the most successful anime franchise
>dead
No way fag

I guess I'd rather have that over them pandering to CR. It's not too different from niconico where KF made a lot of money.

Good fucking riddance. Also, why do you start those threads always with picture of some slice of tumour show? Do you hate being taken seriously that much, manchildren

Sure is summer here

Can't they make their own website?

Turboautism and usually living alone.

Someone post the Renge with the upsidedown eyes.

I know right? How is your break going?

Quit samefagging Kyoanishitter.
Chinkdragon was shit.

Slice of tumour is the most childis thing I've read all day. Way to fuck over your own ignorant opinion.

Maybe if they stopped animating dead trend anime and actually had some taste, they wouldn't be in such a slump.

Don't give him attention.

2017 has been one of the best years since 2011. The only problem here is animators are treated like shit you retarded tripfag.

Walk tall, incompetent anime industry leaders.Walk tall and realize you have nobody but yourselves to blame for your incompetence and the dying of the industry. Luckily, it could still be revived, if people stopped fucking up so harshly.

Yup, Daisuki is the big Japan streaming site for us foreign devils. The problem is the terrible lack of lineup.

I don't mind watching that shit with commercials since the money goes to Japan, the problem is that there is only so many times you can watch Ero Manga Sensei, Idolmaster, Zestria X and Grandblue Fantasy.

Hey

Yeah, like I said, not really interested if it's streaming, even if the quality is good(and they do offer 1080p), but it's at least something else on the side, other than whatever figs/imported manga I already get.

That's what I mean though. If you looked at the original partners, I think they're still officially part of it, the buy out happens a bit later, they were basically all the big players in the industry. They could have right then just decided to fuck over CR and Funi and keep all their shows for this, and the people who use those services would have no choice but to switch. Hell, again, it may be streaming but I have no problem paying these guys. But for some reason they kept and still keep licensing out their shows to others.

>They did fine with their games
Yeah, once they realized arcade was dying, handhelf consoles were made obsolete by phones and multiplayer had made PC ports not just necessary but vital.
And many once important devs nd studios died in the process.
>wanting anime to be popular overseas
It will need to be if studios want to keep the same production output going. You can't indefinitly crank up the production prices while refusing investments AND refusing to expand your market. One of these would be bad enough, but both is just suicide.

true

lmao animeonlyfags on suicide watch

They could save $600K to share among their employee for every HanaKana that they don't hire. Literal who VAs are better anyway. They sound fresher than that one whore you already previously heard 40 other times

They should just take a lesson from the chinks when it comes to making money and sell to them too, iirc the chinks are super fucking weeb when it comes to anime (even if Chinanime is also catching on there).

Yeah, I really don't understand their intentions with the site. Why come up with your own alternative, if you keep handing out your licenses to the people you should be trying to compete against?