Can someone tell me why Jordan Peterson got emotional about individualism and cried in this YT video ? Is it because he hates the idea of individualism and he want us to love more ?
Also that guy cries a lot. Is it because of his med ?
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because he is a fucking fraud and an actor
he is basically same as molymeme, overblown ego, shit acting, "muh freedom" and jews dindu nuffin the only thing he has that molymeme doesn't is hair
He gets real worked over the collectivist death squads of history. It is a genuine disgust and anguish for the ideology that he sees coming back into the world from all angles.
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He's talked about how long (think he mentioned 350 million years) it has taken for humans to finally adapt an individualistic perspective for their personal convictions, principles, and responsibility and he recognizes the absolute fragility of it being in it's adolescent stages.
Jordan Peterson is a pooish shill
He cries out of understanding, passion, and genuine fear for the future.
The man has spent his life studying WWII and communist regimes.... their causes... and their effects.
He's probably spent his life worrying that such forces would rise up again at some point.... and now he sees that it's going to happen in america within the next generation.
He weeps for his daughter, and for the world that is just beyond the horizon. He's trying to stop it from happening, but deep down, he knows he can't.
Individualism is highly overrated.
Sure dude.
>He's trying to stop it from happening, but deep down, he knows he can't.
The worst feel.
You're crying out as loud as you can, but no one hears your screams.
you need this in your life
Slave morality.
>individualists
Yes, it was at that moment when he was discussing individualism that he remembered that he had sold his soul to the Jew and became part of the nose collective and would never experience the joys of individualism, truth and freedom again. His soul cried out in shame.
What place of faggotry is this where such a dumb bitch could become a mod?
A forest made of mighty trees is beautiful and formidable. A forest made of twigs is an ugly bramble patch.
>You're crying out as loud as you can, but no one hears your screams.
But a lot of people hear him. He has cultist fanboys that shove his ideas down everyone's throats, repeatedly, 24/7.
A 12-step self help book? Wowee, surely on one never seen THAT one before. Surely squaring your shoulders and petting stray cats like a fucking autsist would solve whites being displaced and the whole fucking world turning into a Brazilian favela.
Some libsperg facebook group if I remember right. She got triggered by that "refugees are biological weapons" meme
im curious what if any of his ideas do you not like?
Beautiful and formidable to us. The individual trees are nothing but trees, which is why the forest accomplishes nothing in its own right and is just a large group of trees.
>Also that guy cries a lot. Is it because of his med
No, Peterson explained that he has very profound mental illness that runs in his family. He always cried spontaneously, it is just a symptom of his disease. There's nothing to worry about, though, he is on appropriate anti-psychotic medication and is very capable of performing satisfactorily as long as he stays on it.
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Well, naturally, I don't like a bunch of cultist fanboys trying to tell me what to do.
I don't like how Peterson defends women so much and blames young men for things absolutely out of their control.
But, he did apologize for that and take many steps back on that front, so I feel better about that now.
>muh individualism
The unchecked development of individualism and ego, spurred on by Protestantism is precisely why the world in such a fucking mess right now. Pedestalization of the Ego is 100% Masonic-Gnostic doctrine from which Peterson seems to draw too heavily.
12 steps can be a start, i have yet to read his book only excerpts but it does look promising.
white males fuck any male needs to get their shit together first before they run out into the world trying to correct their "displacement" dont you think?
You do realize that you can be an individual and be a functional part of a group, right?
So I should stop doing what's in my best interest for the interest of all these people I don't know who may be hostile for my interest because this is what ruined the world according to many people?
This is why I resent being Millennial. I resent being forced into a world where all generations want me to give up my individuality. I don't want to be forced to give it up and I will go kicking and screaming. If you force me you are going to have to drag me kicking and screaming into the darkness because I'm not voluntarily doing it.
If you come into his lectures with any sort of higher education, you'll instantly realize he oversimplifies a lot of concepts to the point of obscenity. At first i though he just did it for Rogan, but then i listened to the Peronality and Maps of Meaning lectures and other interviews on Postmodernism. He continually twists a lot of concepts to fit his narrative, which is rich as fuck coming from a guy who keeps calling Derrida a hack.
For one — he seems to be completely fucking unaware that postmodernims can leave the realm of Marxism, and become it's own thing, in fact it already did.
Yeah? Isn't that basically what I said?
>a forest is just a large group of individual trees
>what's in my best interest
Leeching off of collectives while insisting you're your own man?
He is existence is characterized by suffering.
I'm probably opening up a can of worms here, but what do you mean by the world is trying to make you give up your individuality?
I thought the same thing years ago. And while I'm sure some people want you to do that, I realized that I was mistaking being insignificant for the world trying to smother my identity.
We are raindrops in an ocean, that doesn't mean our identities are being taken away nor does it mean we can't find meaning if we try.
It's blatantly obvious he's a very intelligent man. But as is the case with a great many intelligent/high IQ people: the higher your IQ the worse your mental health problems are. There's a limit to the amount a human brain can do before it starts to decay in other areas. He's actively taking two different types of antidepressants, and despite his apparent brilliance he suffers from noticable emotional flaws (just look at his twitter responses when he was criticized by the alt-right and other so called rightist elements. Just ad hominem and grammar checking without any real content).
He acts as somewhat of an alarm clock for the "normies" to wake them up from their Jew induced dreamstate, but not much else.
>t. suffers the same delusions as communists and anarchists
Game Theory shows overwhelmingly that groups of individuals willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good of the collective beat 100% of the time individuals who serve the interests of their collective only when it suits then and are unwilling to die for it.
This whole "enlightened individualism" meme is the exact issue that has created the collapse of the west, it's not going to solve the issues. When given the choice, most people fall into whatever trap their leg lands in and stay there. The porn, sexual deviancy, opiate and gambling addictions (just to name a few) are crippling the west, because without the benevolent tyrant, 85% of people end up being exploited by the most deviant and cunning elements of society (which in the west currently are Jews by the way).
The only way forward is through greater ideals that transcend the individual. Moderated collectivism offers a way forward, individualism offers nothing but degeneracy, profligacy and the death of civilization itself. You just wait until 50% of current jobs are replaced by machines (estimated date 2050, probably sooner). The moral crisis will be unlike anything anyone could predict.
So THAT's where the intro to this video comes from
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>I have no concept of a higher purpose and duty assigned to a nation or an ethnos
Thanks for clearing that up pal. If Peterson didn't rope you in into his self-help internet ashram, you would've turned into a Randian Anarchist etiher way, so no great loss here.
When Peterson pushes for individualism he isn't saying that you should drop out of society. He's saying that in order for you to fully understand yourself and therefore grow as a person it's necessary to understand that there is more to you, much more to you, than just a part of a larger whole. Of course, he's not saying that you're NOT a part of a larger whole or that you SHOULDN'T be a part of a larger whole, but there is more to you than that and it's imperative for you to understand that if you want to improve yourself and therefore improve the collective which you are a member of.
He's a sociopath. He's milking your emotions and taking advantage of your need for a role model/fatherly figure.
last night i was looking at one of his youtube vids on Maps of Meaning Lecture 1: Introduction, im gonna watch all later today if i have time.
thing is i come to his online lectures without any higher education only life experience (55 years old here). so i dont always understand what he alluding too... i'm not 100% sold on him yet but i will keep an open mind since somethings he say in other videos i can relate to.
I believe he's sincere, I just think he's naive about the reality of what white people are up against and what our future will look like if we don't come together.
The idea that if you advocate for free speech, then that means you have to give stormnigger ideology a platform to speak.... is nonsense.
It's not hypocritical. This just resolves me to the idea that peterson's critics are butt blasted charlottesville/spencer faggots that are mad he disagrees with them.
This is what I picked up, probably coupled with an inability to handle the bants (the bants are brutal tbf. Brutal but fair)
You'll have to read all 1800 pages of "The Gulag Archipelago" to find out.
Yeah, that's my big criticism of his. He doesn't offer solutions to our problem, or even acknowledge it (though I know, he can't).
Plus, you have to be superhuman - ascend the hierarchy of all games! - etc, to be able to do anything. Of course, it's lame of me to say that - of /course/ you'd have to be an extraordinary person to have an extraordinary effect.
2600 pages, just listen to it on YouTube while you drive. Shit makes me spontaneously cry out for my fellow man. Stalin is a shit
Derrida was a fucking hack
>there is more to you, much more to you, than just a part of a larger whole.
Viewed from a collectivist perspective, this reads as: "There are aspects of you that shouldn't characterize the group you belong to."
Does he mention anything specific?
Regardless, the individualist versus collectivist issue is represented here
>improve yourself and therefore improve the collective which you are a member of
Literally a huge collective killed the Nazi collective.
He's a retard.
Because he's right and as soon as you stop valuing individualism you are on the fun ride of "well it's for the greater good" straight to hell and hilariously it's always you who gets fucked over before your enemies because you willingly put yourself in danger rather than having to be forced into it since that's how fucking stupid human beings are.
Individual morality is important, but there morality is defined by a people.
One informs the other. He's ignoring one half of the equation. The ability to self control according to pic related is not universal. Different races are generally differently capable to do it.
False dichotomy.
A collective is a category
Collectivism is a way of thinking
Brainlets can't even parse this simple distinction, and yet they expect to challenge peterson's ideas
Do you know that a perferct individualist society need agreement of whole human collective to work?
Since you need collective agreement of whole population you immediatly put collectivism in equasion for decent society.
Now you can try to convince low IQ retards and indoctrinated leftist who are blinded by marxists dogma for eternity, or your collective could... you know shrink. It can be done peacefully or trough force, but a collective who acepts individuality is a successful invidualist society.
That's why there should be a country with the idea of selective individuality or SELECTED COLLECTIVE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE INDIVIDUAL RIGHT I.E. WHITE PEOPLE.
Literally a huge collective of collectivists killed the Nazi collective.
Don't get this place sometimes and I been here a while.
Decent youtubers get a decent following and Sup Forums shits on them every chance for some nuanced opinion that goes against full-on 1488 or blackpill. But then we allow fucking DESTINY threads of all things and redditors to push that tiny fuck on us.
based peterson
he's a real human bean
Peterson's criticism of nazism isn't the fact that the german army followed a hierarchical structure.
The criticism is that the foundational ideology of the SOCIETY set the well being of society as the primary value. The ideology of the society said that individual is not important. We're talking about civilization, not armies.
Yeah, so is Peterson. The other day another windbag "professional speaker" Paglia called him the "most important Canadian thinker since McLuhan". I was fucking livid. To compare a shucking and jiving self-promoter like Peterson to the paradigm-shifting genius of McLou is straight sacriliege.
He was literally on TV years ago way before Sup Forums latched onto him he isn't a fraud if he's been doing for this long before the e-fame. Unlike molymeme he is a 'legit' professor
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>B-but you're supposed to be a brainlet! Like anyone who dares CHALLENGE fathe- I mean Peterson.
if you are or have been depressed yourself and work as clinical psychiatrist where you get to know hundreds of ppl that lost all hope and some killed themselves its understandable that you get triggered by things.
if you should record yourself when you cry like a little bitch is another question.
I dunno why he cries but I do know there is some medications that have weird withdrawals that makes people really emotional for no reason.
It's kinda like a minor psychological breakdown, and when they first start to cry/get emotional they just can't stop it. So yeah that's pretty fun I guess.
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>1488 checked my friend
Peterson is the real deal, I always knew it
I wasn't talking about armies.
America is collectivist. The well being of society is our primary value. We drafted men against their will to fight for the greater good.
But neither us or the Nazis said the individual is not important. That's not collectivism, and both said the exact opposite, so I don't know how individualists get away with claiming the "importance" of individuals as their own doctrine.
People just don't care I guess.
He used to be obsessed with the end of the world during the Cold War. He thinks we’re heading toward destruction.
He also cried recently when talking about young men because they constantly tell him he got them off drugs, to stop being neeTs, and saved them from suicide. He said at a talk of 1,000 people, 500 came to him after and one after another said this type of thing. I’d cry too people did that to me.
you are a weak pussy, clean your room
>America is collectivist. The well being of society is our primary value.
No it isn't. The American republic is founded on individual liberties and free will.
You might argue that the draft is a betrayal of these foundational values, but it's an exception that proves the rule. We very heavily value the individual in America.
You can argue with peterson's interpretation of nazism/communism/etc.... what they stood for, etc... but he's saying that both of these systems were, at their foundation, about giving up yourself for the greater good of the country.
yeah, comparing peterson to mcluhan is a bit fucking much.
Rugged individualism is the ideology you are supposed to link to those words.
However the real answer youre looking for is cultural marxist indivualisation. Its a subterfuge a double entendre meant to mislead.
See the cultural marxist want individualization. They want to tear down and destroy any enclave of white male brotherhood be it churches, secret societies, country clubs, freindship.
They target each of these institutions decaying them to the point where their functionality is reduced.
It is a powerful form of pacification.
>French revolution coffee houses
>American revolution lodges
>hitler beer halls.
>American presidency skull and bones.
>The Goldmen Sachs revolving door.
See the pattern. Only idiots dont align themselves with a collective.
Are you retards seriously BRAINDEAD or something?
He is literally realizing that the entire western world is at the brink of rationalizing mass genocide, as with what happened in EVERY SINGLE GENOCIDE IN HISTORY so far, and you shit for brains can't wrap your heads around the fact that he'd be upset over that realization?
Can you for one second just STOP talking out of your ass and educate yourself before formulating an opinion?
>founded on individual liberties and free will
"We need to list some guarantees for the individual to keep society from completely consuming them."
>We very heavily value the individual in America.
Not more than society. That's why it ain't individualism.
>he's saying that both of these systems were, at their foundation, about giving up yourself for the greater good of the country.
The only thing to argue against would be the notion that America's foundation is different.
Lets go down some common cultural marxist points to find out how Peterson is actually a Marxist inspite of his protestations!
Which one?
>Gynocentrism - where the cultural is forced to revolve around the female worldview
>Gynopartiality- female immorality is applauded while male immorality is criminalized.
>gyno infantalization - women should never be fully responsible for their actions and are to be afforded special privileges
>Vibro Correctness - Minorities cant be held acountable for acting in accordance with their stereotype
>Liberating Tolerance - where tolerance is to be given only to groups advocating the "correct" viewpoint and those advocating the wrong viewpoint must be silenced.
>inclusive not exclusive hegalian - everyone may participate no one may be excluded. Using the hegalian dialectic we have the thesis (inclusivity) the antithesis (exclusivity) and the synthisis (Marxism)
Peterson is using the Hegalian Dialectic! In his demand for individualism, he is actually demanding total inclusion. And inclusion without exclusion is synthisized in (((cultural Marxism)))
Peterson is no doubt unaware that he is a communist becuse he is a useful idiot. And his masters will line him up on the wall and shoot him when the purging of the "inteligensia" happens and his usefulness ends.
Does anyone else who's familiar with Peterson want to answer this, by the way? Because I was actually curious.
His brand of "rugged individualism" only worked in the American west because of its unique character. Sparse hemoginous population.
In a setting like this, "rugged individualism" is not what hes teaching hes advicating communism. Hes a Cultural Marxists advocating individualisation of white males. AKA powerlessness.
>"We need to list some guarantees for the individual to keep society from completely consuming them."
No. That's not the idea in the constitution. The idea in the constitution is that the individual is sovereign, and the government only has specific enumerated powers that the people consent to giving it.
>That's why it ain't individualism.
When Peterson talks about individualism, he's thinking of the American constitution.
There IS a deep philosophical distinction between Nazi government and the American government.
This is correct analysis. The priestly elite of Diversity and Gender Equality wants to remove the right for free association, after which the only collective one can join is *their* collective.
Because The West was build on individualism and freedom of thought, something the g*rms try to destroy every once in a while.
Individualism is what caused the mess we are in right. Trannies, emos, punks, faggots, coalburners, immigrants, their existence is the product of individualism where everyone is a special snowflake. Sup Forums gives lip service to individualism because they think collectivism = gulags and communism while really it longs for ages of past where there were rules, standards, traditions of a community or collective that people conformed to while still being 'individuals' (a meaningless buzzword invented by jews and ancaps)
Because he's a soyboy. The only time it's acceptable for a man to cry is after the death of close friend / family or winning the Super Bowl.
Because he's a psychologist and usually people who get into that field have issues they want to understand or sort out. Apparently, he hasn't sorted out his yet.
>The Founding Fathers were libertarian
Not this, please...
Those restrictions are against the federal government specifically. It has nothing to do with individual sovereignty
>enumerated powers
All powers not delegated to the federal government are reserved by the states OR "the people". Not by individuals.
>When Peterson talks about individualism, he's not actually talking about individualism.
That kind of takes the fun out of it.
The philosophical distinctions between the Nazis' government and the American government don't involve collectivism.
MEN ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PASSIONATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>meme flag op
trash tier thread
The book is just a summary of his lectures and videos. I don't really like the ''12 step approach'' but whatever.
This.
Ernst Niekisch argued that the anti-statist principle is Jewish in origin. In fact, it is the source of the Jew's power, for he does not put effort into building nations but colludes with his own kind in supranational masonry, undermining the nations of other peoples. A too strong state would prevent this from happening, a too nationalist people that shows solidarity to its own kind rather than every individual minding its own business like good goys is harder to exploit.
He's not saying shit should be anarchic a-la far west. He suggests the health of the collective hinges on the health of each individual. Coincidentally, the healthiest individual is one who takes control of his life. How does this not ring true to you?
get a load of this guy
>He suggests the health of the collective hinges on the health of each individual.
Is self-sacrifice healthy for the individual?
>the healthiest individual is one who takes control of his life.
What does "taking control" mean
That's not true. Gifted people have few mental or mood disorders.
>OR "the people". Not by individuals.
The people ARE individuals. Like the right of THE PEOPLE to bear arms is the right of individuals to bear arms.
Your idea of what individualism means is just wrong. Individualist society is one that places the value of individuals in high regard.
A collectivist society places the value of individuals in low regard.
>at a talk of 1000 people, 500 told him he saved their lives
see, this is the sort of thing that I can't stand about him. First, that sounds like a lie, but even if it isn't how massive is your ego to be bragging about that?
>im the savior of young men bucko that's doctor to you
>cries a lot, sensitive
he a leaf
But not emotional basket cases.
Thanks for reminding me to buy his book. I hope that was the purpose of you making this thread because it worked!
The problem is that placing the individual as the highest (and only) moral actor is that everyone just becomes selfish, hedonistic, and/or nihilistic. Feminism didn't exist until individualism went rampant, for example, but that's only a symptom of the problem. Peterson is recommending a more individualistic outlook (for whites), which is exactly what created these problems in the first place.
It's like being prescribed morphine to help your heroin addiction, sort of fucking redundant
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low lower of red pill.
I'm so used to this, even though to truth is so unbelievably sinister
I figure it’s his meds slipping. I saw some interview where his kids came up and he broke down; I get that someone likes their families, but if you read up just thinking about them you’re clearly unhinged.
I was thinking of getting this one.
What's your honest review? Is it the same as what he talks about on his YT?
He was just saying that’s why he was so moved when he talks about men. He just said half of the audience, which I assumed was an exaggeration to mean a ton of people. The guy gets 60,000 On patreon a month, I don’t doubt that many people would come up to him at a talk.