What Happened to Medicine?

>third year in medical school looking back
>Highest information density time in school thus far was "dedicated study period" prior to Step 1 right before third year begins
>16 hours a day or more studying, reviewing, practicing, drinking coffee nonstop and smoking like a fucking chimney
>felt like I leveled up afterwards, pathophysiology is my bitch now
>started third year
>senpai med rotation, clinic duties and doctors are kinda dumb, figured that would be the case because senpai med is bottom barrel docs
>surgery rotation, hours tough, most of the attending surgeons pretty good, most of the residents are fucking morons (one tried to tell me ventricular tachycardia meant NO PULSE), otherwise not so bad, found out pathologists are fucking pimps, and learned some plastic surgery tricks
>int medicine, get yelled at for suggesting "zebras" like parvovirus in a school teacher or helminth parasite in a patient with extensive travel history and eating street foods in asia and SAm with hepatic complaints and progressive jaundice despite negative hepatitis PCR and antibody panels
>every time I try I get yelled at
>start showing up to the hospital without showering, and start doing my workups under the preposition "if I were a complete fucking moron, what would I think this is?"
>everyone loves it, starts telling me I am doing much better
>the more broken I act, the better I am recieved
>my residents/attendings don't know what adenosine is, much less how it works
>they don't know the difference between beta 1 and 2 receptors, where they are or how they function
>attendings now mix up the difference between coarse breath sounds and rales,
>everyone just orders blood work and imaging
>if the numbers are good you aren't sick
>go home
>every block is like this afterwards

When did clinical doctors become fucking retarded? I am genuinely concerned because roughly 90% of the attending physicians I have worked with (unless they are over 50 or very engaged) have been absolute morons.

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>one tried to tell me ventricular tachycardia meant NO PULSE
>attendings now mix up the difference between coarse breath sounds and rales,
>they don't know the difference between beta 1 and 2 receptors, where they are or how they function
>attendings now mix up the difference between coarse breath sounds and rales

this is EMT level knowledge

How frightened of going to the hospital should we be?

>Tell me where it hurt, white boy.
Is it perhaps that there are too many niggers in
the healthcare industry?

In med school right now. How hard is it to score 230 on Step 1?

Inclusive hiring and educational policies

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I’m a nurse and I had to explain to a resident how to treat a TET spell on a child. I’ve only been a nurse for two years in CVICU. But that’s NICU physicians for you.

get the fuck over yourself. It's a job, not a trivia game. Nobody cares how smart you are unless it makes a difference in the work load and gets everyone home quicker. /anesthesiologist

maybe we are getting dumber who knows?

Sup Forums is not your blog

back to feggit with you

Wow, im a medic and i know all that shit. I have interacted with physicians that are literally retarded.

>everyone just orders blood work and imaging
>if the numbers are good you aren't sick
>go home
That happens here too. Your doctors are at the same level of third world countries. kek

>No income opportunity like in the 70s
>Gone soft due to that one resident killing someone after working 36 hours
>Poos, Chinks, and Niggers are much higher percentages
>Loss of pride and depression from older doctors due to reasons above, not drilling the newer generation.

>every time I try I get yelled at
Yell at them back, you cuck.

What are the racial demographics of the physicians?

I always eliminate non-white doctors first when looking for a specialist. After that I select based upon qualification and experience.

Sure, every so often you will miss out on someone like the sleepy doctor using this method, but for the most part you are dodging bullets.

you are learning judencine

>expecting doctors to retain mountains of theory after med school instead of just sticking to what is practical and works

>meme flag
Gee I wonder what could be hiding beneath? Maybe that would explain why your doctors are shit, pajeet.

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Some of the stupidest people I’ve ever met have been Drs and nurses. Even when they’re good at what they do it’s the only thing they are good at. Their levels of taste and culture are just as idiotic, or pretentious and shallow, as anyone else.

Welcome to the "REAL WORLD "
You are not a Dr. Hahaha.
You are an INSURANCE COMPANY ADVOCATE.
Now mind your manners and let them practice medicine . While you do your bedside manners thing.
That all happened about 15 years before you were born. When Insurers and Big Pharma got married and "YOU" are just their Red Headed Step Child.
Here now take 2 of these Red Pills and call me if your not better in 48 hrs.

>What Happened to Medicine?
capitalism

>Oi Goy where's your insurance card?
How about the jews in medicine?

OP what is going on with the present breakdown of antibiotics given the fortified resistances many pathogens have begun to obtain, alongside things like the continued evidence to support non-efficacy of annual flu vaccines and the growing prevalence of flesh-eating bacteria?

I'm a second year med student, and it's painfully obvious that admissions and medical licenses as a whole are 100% kike influenced, to allow as many shitskins as possible into the programs, no matter how dumb, so that whites are completely dependent on foreigeners for health. It's pretty sad to watch and to not be able to say anything about it.

>>Gone soft due to that one resident killing someone after working 36 hours
Priding yourself on working insane hours is the more ridiculous shit I've ever seen. No one is going to be effective at anything after being awake for 24 hours much less 36. Considering medical malpractice is also the third leading cause of death in the US I have to imagine more than a single patient has been killed by a tired doctor.

Can't wait for you job to be automated. Physicians aren't needed when a machine can examine me and interpret my lab results.

Many people can absorb information, but not many can put that information into a framework, connect the dots and juggle it around. I used to think educated people were clever but I discovered not many people have the capacity to truly internalize knowledge

>lol like yolobro, who cares about the quality of doctors when im sick and dying
anesthesiologist my ass you retard, its been known that quality in healthcare has been on the decline in america.

Like I said, I eliminate non-white doctors.

It's called affirmative action. Professional schools haven't churned out quality in 20+ years.

It wasn't the long hours, but the culture changed from being some what militaristic brotherhood to a soft weak culture. Once the work requirements went then they went soft on interns and residents due to muh feels.

At least Jews are competent, however. Eliminating Jews frequently eliminates many talented doctors.

We import a lot of 3rd world doctors desu. Healthcare industry loves their H-1B.

This. Go full Dr. House on the situation if you really are so much better than your peers.

>tfw failed med school admission and NEETed it up

That still depresses me 5 years after.

There are no second chances?

Oh OP, they obviously just have a case of the owies. They should drink orange juice, eat chicken soup, and watch Dr. Oz.

We're headed for a new dark age, and I'm just sitting here sharpening my axe even as I try to prevent it.

Doctors are selected for: 1) the love of money 2) being willing to be shat on during residency 3) conformity

>import millions of low IQ browns
>surprised we're dumber

Failed both chances.

>start showing up to the hospital without showering, and start doing my workups under the preposition "if I were a complete fucking moron, what would I think this is?"
>everyone loves it, starts telling me I am doing much better

god, how i specifically hoped it wouldn't be like this

>matriculating next year

>you go into medicine for the money
lmao

It’s the false idea that they’ll be able to just look it up one day. Fucking bullshit. When I’m lying down with my heart finally having torn that little hole it has into a bigger one and someone tells the doctor I went into some fucking state of shock and he pumps me full of the wrong drug on a whim, you tell me how good that IPad and Google are gonna be for me and the doctor.

>When did clinical doctors become fucking retarded?

A) Because it's just a job to them and they ARE otherwise not that bright.

B) When you deal with dedicated people that have followed their passion the difference is immediately noticeable.

What you are experiencing in this era is the types of people in group A have increased as the types of people in group B have substantially decreased.

A is following the money and being allowed to progress a system that rewards 'grades' over determinable skills/talent. B got lost with the destruction of risk takers and masculinity, and is probably fapping in /gif/ right now.

Is it bad that from outside looking in and having only a cursory idea of medicine that I've seen some of the shit your talking about just eavesdropping the couple times I've been at a hospital? Nevermind the fact that I've corrected my own doctors in the past when they tried to prescribe me two different drugs that had serious interactions

>not realizing someone has to make and reconfigure the machine

>found out pathologists are fucking pimps

I used to date a pathologist.

Coldest girl I have ever been with. It was like med school and dealing with corpses all day everyday sucked all the sweetness and humanity out of her.

Sex wasn't bad though, and when I got myself fucked up training MMA she always told me what went wrong.

6/10 would date a pathologist again.

Most of them fake it until they make it. In my field it's the same it's quite rare to find somebody, who can do more with the knowledge than just pass the average tests and solve the standard case.

Courage.

>>everyone just orders blood work and imaging
>>if the numbers are good you aren't sick

I've been under medical for years, and as a patient I can attest this is true. It's a ll about fucking numbers. Numbers and their corresponding pills. A god damned 8086 could do their job.

I can't remember the last time a doctor gave me a straight answer to the question "What caused this?" They don't heal, they just treat. Prevention equal spills, it's like they don't even know or care what the body can do to take care of itself. Dietary advice is "Don't eat a lot of salt."

I think the medical profession is at an all-time low. I think they are fucking idiots.

>but the culture changed from being some what militaristic brotherhood to a soft weak culture
The military is honestly a shit culture that is so self-defeating on account of it's chest thumping spic tier machoism I wouldn't want anything modeled on it much less the system that suppose to be saving people's lives. It's one thing to have camaraderie but it's another to have people doing 24 hour shifts and calling them a pussy for not being able to do another 24. On a very related note blame was partially attributed to extreme fatigue in the two recent collisions involving Navy ships which meant someone not getting enough sleep cost the taxpayers almost a billion dollars.

C'est dur, mais merci.

I get into fights with my doctors all the time. I'm just a patient and feel I know more about me than they do. Some doctors are just downright dangerous with how little they know. Be your own best advocate

This is why I belive silicon valley will save us.
I can't wait for automated machines $10 dollar medical checkups. The while medical field is a scam designed to make millions off of your health. Based automation will save us from the evil doctor.

>they don't know the difference between beta 1 and 2 receptors, where they are or how they function

The whole thing is appalling, but this is dangerously bad

How did you find Step 1? Gib tips pls, on a 6 year programme. In second year now, and nothing I want more than to practice in the US.

Worked at a pacemaker call center, routinely had to answer calls from hospitals asking for device information on patients. Due to HIPAA, we had very strict security requirements. The only people I remember having trouble with was north Chicago. Every single doctor that called from that place was an absolute cunt.

>not training people with a tiring and stressful job how to work while tired and stressed

There is a reason many accomplished people/schloars of all times viewed medicine as something, which isn't really worthy of universtiy. It's all about protocols. Some say this is the only way it's possible for a human to preform a task like this; same goes for pilots and their check-lists.

by the time you finish, the DO and MD residencies will have merged. international grads are getting squeezed out of residency spots. however hard it is now, it will be twice as hard when your time comes.

check out the nordic countries or australia instead.

I saved my mother's life twice by catching bad medicine interactions.

Of all specializations, are anesthesiologists the kikes of the lot? They basically do bumfuck all and collect a fat paycheck.

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In America that's the main reason people go into medicine.

Im completely 100% set on the US. Appreciate the advice, but its one of those things where I wont accept a different alternative.

Got UK citizenship and lived most of my life there, if it makes any difference.

Would you say scoring 250+ is the way? Shooting for EM btw. I know 80% of internationals go either into Family or Internal, but my hearts set on it.

>working 16 hours a day on a navy ship that is at 70% of it's crew requirement while under orders to "stop the Chinese from invading the fucking Pacific"
>LOL JUST TRAIN THEM MORE
Are you going to tell the Marines to "just stop having maintenance failures" next?

>Im completely 100% set on the US.
Why? Money?

>take situation that is already stressful
>make it even more stressful entirely artificially
>this is a good thing because having everyone work like they're constantly dealing with a catastrophe is good training for the catastrophe everyone will be too tired to deal with when it actually happens
Yeah sounds like a solid plan.

>are anesthesiologists the kikes of the lot? They basically do bumfuck all and collect a fat paycheck.

My aunt nearly died because some bitch fell asleep at the laughing gas. Anesthesiologists have an insanely important job and your life in their hands. They concern me more than the surgeon.

Ill admit, its part of it. The greater part of it is the geography, politics, and lifestyle over there. The US has its faults, but compared to Yurop, theres a lot more it can offer me.

>implying this isn't, what they would say if diversity was what truley caused it.
>sure it all was a lack of training and to little sleep
When we know how limited non white (except some east asians) and female spacial cognitive capabilities are. This accidents would be excatly the kind of stuff most likley to happen with diverse crews.

Ah alright, I'm just too used to europeans shitting on america over on Sup Forums

I would say research is a big deal, but don't know if EM gives a fuck in that regard.

I haven't even started 1st year yet, so I don't really know specifics other than what others have told me. Obviously, Step scores are important, but I've heard grades don't matter much for residency placement.

Med Lab Tech here
P comfy job Tbh, you should try it

The residency program looks like a scam to me, am I wrong?

>When did clinical doctors become fucking retarded? I

I've never met an intelligent doctor. It's more a mixture of steadfastness and opportunity that determines who gets a doctorate. It's not a gauge of intelligence.

It wouldn't surprise me if that was true but these things don't come down to one or even two people. It takes a lot of people either making mistakes or not paying attention(also a mistake) to play a game of bumper boats sponsored by the US Navy.

anytime you get government involved, there will be a scam, yes

Yeah several EM residencies have gone out and pretty much openly stated they dont care about anything besides Step 1 score, doing electives at the place you want to practice ("do we know the guy"), and past work experience. What made me a little dicey was the Medscape compensation report difference between 2015 and 2016. Avg salary jumped an incredible $40-50,000 up to $300K, but Step 1 score also jumped up 230 up to 250. Im a good student, but that makes me a little sweaty.

Best of luck when you start M1!

>dont feel well
>more tired than usual, headaches
>go to family physician
>leave with a zoloft perscription and manic depressive diagnosis
what the fuck is up with these people, do they have some diagnosis/prescription quota to meet? is this why every kid my age thinks they are depressed or anxiety ridden? why are these people so eager to pump themselves full of medicine and why are people so eager to pump me full of medicine

to finish the story i changed my diet and cut out some workout supplements and i feel fine

well objectively, according to some studies, doctors have the highest IQ of any profession

all fields are like this, from janitors to politicians.
the same level of ineptitude you would find working
fast food permates society from top to bottom

OP have you ever encountered Lupus?

I am in the last year of med school and I hate it. Medicine is full of women here, salary is total shit, workload is absurd and most doctors are fucking assholes. I have huge social circle and there are almost zero ppl from medical field that I dont dislike.

step scores change every year as different flavor of the year specialties come and go. the competitiveness will fluctuate one way or another by the time you apply.

also just remember when calculating salary, a conservative estimate is to cut that number in half due to taxes

>needing 12 different prescriptions
I've eaten 2 cloves of garlic everyday and jogged for 10 minutes and haven't been sick for almost 3 years.
Don't believe what (((they))) tell you.

>>everyone just orders blood work and imaging
>>if the numbers are good you aren't sick
sound like haes where they say theyre super healthy and die at 32 of a heart attack.

THIS. I am about to graduate from med school and have been through the stage the OP is in. I felt I knew everything after step 1 too, then I realized most of it was garbage minutiae that I and most people will never use. Unless you are in a specific specialty. There is a reason the phrase "use it or lose it" exists - if it isn't clinicaly relevant, its forgotten. And if that zebra comes in, you at least learned about it in the past so it will ring a bell and you know where to look up the required info. Because LIKE FUCKING HELL can every doc remember every bit of info from med school. No fucking way. Half of med school is learning where the right place to look shit up is.

And yes, the medical field is pozzed as shit. Too many women, too many shitskins. Pic fucking related. Too many fag and brown classmates and too many diversity talks and leftist propaganda propogated as fact. We even had a presentation on sex hormone therapy on young adults questioning their identity and everyone just acted like it was so great and so progressive.

It's affirmative action, yo. Everything is getting worse in every realm of existence. Software, medicine, construction, etc

Doctors are highly over rated. And they keep getting dumber. I literally have zero real for them. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gone in knowing that I know more about my health problem than they do. And they’re grossly over paid. The only Drs that have any skill are surgeons and anesthesiologists, and they’re still over paid. I have no use for any of them, and if it wasn’t illegal to write my own prescriptions I’d never see one again. The only reason I go to a Dr is because of some chronic conditions I have that I have to have and Rx for.

I mean, he's not wrong. While ventricular tachycardia has obvious electrical activity on the ECG and can still kinda sorta pump blood; rarely, if ever, going to feel a pulse on the body.

The joys of diversity quotas and affirmative action

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>Doctors are highly over rated.
As long as the AMA/AOA maintains it's monopoly on physician licensing of native speakers, there will be high demand and thus high status.

No accounting for diagnosing AI in the next 30-50 years of course

>he had to even check

i knew it was a slide thread before i even opened, but i come to all the medfag threads regardless

Can confirm. Just finished my EMT certification exams. I unironically trust EMTs more than nurses or doctors when it comes to saving lives.

>operations cease when low on personnel
>what is the red/yellow/green training cycle?
did either of you pansies serve?