Communism doesn't work, and capitalism is unjust

Communism doesn't work, and capitalism is unjust.

So, what is the solution?

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Truly free market capitalism has never been tried. End the FED, let's see what happens.

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Human extinction.

>Truly free market capitalism has never been tried

Banning the jews
Also, the system doesn't really matter. The leader does.

China.

Yeah, but true communism has never been tried either.

Plus, I think real free market capitalism would be worse, like pre union industrial revolution rockefeller type shit. 7 year olds working 80 hour days, 16 families living in a one bedroom outhouse. That kind of thing.

Ideologies based on economic policy are bad.
Morality, meaning and purpose have nothing to do with wealth.

this

National socialism

But wealth,status, and power corrupts, which is the downfall of both major economic systems.

I'd rather go to the gulag, mein guy.

True capitalism is highly just.
Especially with Christianity.

Unfortunately, the communists dont get that.

> capitalism is unjust.
How so?

>So, what is the solution?
National Socialism. Duh.

It's the one ideology the Capitalist and the Communists don't want you even considering.

Suicide

A two-state nation made up of a genetically engineered eugenics based fascist state and a naturalist egoism based anarchist state separated by a massive wall.

Capitalism is the most moral economic system. Even better, it does work.

The solution is helicopters.

The gap between the haves and have nots is kinda wild. Debt is getting bigger. Banks make a shit ton of money off of interest rates for loans and stuff.

I think it is wild that an interest bearing savings account is less than .5%, but a credit card has interest rates of 30+%

i think it's wild that people think interest is earned.

Then you're a retard or a kike.

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Literally this. When humanity replaces itself with advanced AI and robots then there won't be a need for economic systems in the first place

It is earned for the credit lenders. Which people wouldn't need to take out credit if wages were fair. Which is why capitalism is unjust.

Nah son, just looking out for the retards and kikes.

More capitalism. Reality is unjust but it's nonetheless your best bet at survival.

>So, what is the solution?

Judaism. Join the winning team.

Kill the Jews, duh

the solution is we should all just kys ourselves.

This question will only become relevant if we ever become a post scarcity society. only then would being a commie be feasible.

The Communist Party of the United States, or any successors of such party regardless of the assumed name, whose object or purpose is to overthrow the Government of the United States, or the government of any State, Territory, District, or possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein by force and violence, are not entitled to any of the rights, privileges, and immunities attendant upon legal bodies created under the jurisdiction of the laws of the United States or any political subdivision thereof; and whatever rights, privileges, and immunities which have heretofore been granted to said party or any subsidiary organization by reason of the laws of the United States or any political subdivision thereof, are terminated: Provided, however, That nothing in this section shall be construed as amending the Internal Security Act of 1950, as amended [50 U.S.C. 781 et seq.]
(Aug. 24, 1954, ch. 886, §3, 68 Stat. 776.)

Libertarianism is retarded as fuck. And I'm on the fence about communism vs capitalism.

Monarchy. And He will reign forever once He returns

>capitalism is unjust
No, suffering your pathetic existence is unjust. The solution is to kys

>The gap between the haves and have nots is kinda wild

This is just.

The free marlet is representation of a mutual-benefit society. Every transaction is consensual.

Capitalism is completely just.

gas the kikes, RACE WAR NOW

> The gap between the haves and have nots is kinda wild.
Bad decisions have consequences. If anything, a social safety net encourages them and create more poor people, often taxing productive people into poverty. Capitalism has nothing to do with it.

> Debt is getting bigger.
Government again.

> Banks make a shit ton of money off of interest rates for loans and stuff.
People choose to deal with banks. I'd tell you to start your own and undercut the competition, but governments will prevent you from doing just that.

> I think it is wild that an interest bearing savings account is less than .5%, but a credit card has interest rates of 30+%
Don't spend more than you make. If you have circumstances that forces you to, go back to the first part of this comment.

National Socialism, or some other variety of fascism/third position republicanism.

> (OP)
>Truly free market capitalism has never been tried. End the FED, let's see what happens.

America pre-FED was totally free market. You needed slave to carry on though.

Also

> Communism doesn't work
because the US infiltrated, corrupted and bombed each and every communist country, to avoid the natural spreading of it.

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poop

> Implying a society that uses slaves is a free market.

> Implying communism works without coercion akin to slavery.

You're a special kind of special.

remove the shitskins and gas the jews, that's the solution.

>what is the solution
A ((final)) one.

Top Based

Robots.

Real quick how is slavery anti free market I gotta know

you have to be at least 18 to post here

Capitalism doesn't need to be implemented in a 100% pure way to work. People who live in Communist countries avoid starvation by turning to the black market to get what they need.

The national socialists on this board complain that Capitalism has given us hell, when the whole world has been hell since before humans learned to walk upright. What capitalism really did is give us the means to thrive in it. free enterprise has incentivized humans to work together and to lift one another out of poverty.

>capitalism is unjust.
quit being a bitch about it. Life is hard, deal with it

Would you say this is the 99%?

not hard enough for you, i bet my cents

i think any system will work as long as you keep it local enough to have concrete and tangible goals, unless you're talking about an innately inferior population.

communism doesn't work across continents, it works just fine for 25 hippies living in the woods. its demand for justice makes it want to spread globally. liberal democracy has a similar problem with spreading 'freedom'

natsoc doesn't work across ethnic boundaries, but its chauvinism makes it prone to imperialism.

they all end up huge and bloated, and they're prime targets for any number of subversives who incidentally create a market for 5th columns

i think a swiss-style canton system is what we're looking for. autonomous municipalities are far more robust to subversion since they're most valuable to their residents. economics, hierarchy, justice etc all follows from the particularities of the people living there

Free / Slave dichotomy should be obvious, but...

In a free market, people negotiate their own wages, often undercutting each other to gain employment and innovating to reduce costs and become more competitive.

If you're not free to negotiate your own wages, you're not in a free market. Exactly like how current minimum wage laws prevent young people from joining the labor force by removing the option of cutting one's wages so he could replace a machine (instead of the other way around), learn skills and increase his value for a potential employer.

This entire argument is my problem with capitalism.

You are saying, "poor people should just stay poor." That is like some middle ages feudalism shit. Rich people are rich because they're smart and poor people are poor because they're dumb. Which is totally untrue. I have no way of proving this, but my IQ is about 125, which is only above average, I know. I did well in high school, classes were easy for me, but I didn't have the money for all of the clubs and SAT tutors and stuff that goes along with AP courses. And due to hardships I ended up having to drop out. I went to college 10 years later and did very well. But, I just wonder how much more I could have accomplished if I had been born in the shoes of somebody else.

And because of that, I've always wondered how many kids in the ghettos and the inner city could be doctors and scientists and engineers had they had the opportunity for another upbringing. Who could be the next Edison or Tesla?

And that is why capitalism is unjust. It is nearly impossible to climb the socioeconomic ladder. If that gap exists between the wealthy and the poor, why shouldn't the poor rise up and overthrow the wealthy classes of society? It is in their best interest to do so.

less than 1% of the population owned slaves.

How does this make sense to you?

>live below your means
>also tell your employer you will work for less

Capitalism only works if there are poor people to support it. How is this not unjust to you? This has been tried, and it had children working long hours and nobody able to afford rent.

Unfettered Capitalism is worse than Stalinist Communism.

And less than 1% of the population owns slaves today in America. Really makes you think.

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>Capitalism doesn't need to be implemented in a 100% pure way to work. People who live in Communist countries avoid starvation by turning to the black market to get what they need.
>The national socialists on this board complain that Capitalism has given us hell, when the whole world has been hell since before humans learned to walk upright. What capitalism really did is give us the means to thrive in it. free enterprise has incentivized humans to work together and to lift one another out of poverty.

this is mostly true. i think tho that capitalism can manufacture demand, i think it can grow to unnecessary places, and i think it can foster the strategic collapse of firms for private gains. these things lower the trust of a society and make it a less healthy and meaningful place to live imo.

at some point, i think its better for societies to grow more slowly in more sustainable ways. this is on contrast to both capitalism and communism which eventually supplants the citizen with the economics as the end unto itself. otherwise everyone works all tge time, broken family > people > citizens > culture > firms > economy > country then we collapse and start over.

>Communism doesn't work, and capitalism is unjust.
current compromise

> (OP)
>Ideologies based on economic policy are bad.
>Morality, meaning and purpose have nothing to do with wealth.

as soon as you hit a point where your society isn't struggling every day, month, and year to not die, this.

Do the best you can with the situation you've got, while not expecting help, though accept it graciously when it's offer suits you.
While, in turn, be kind only to those less fortunate who are deserving of a helping hand.

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>But wealth,status, and power corrupts, which is the downfall of both major economic systems.

нeт

imperialism breeds the excessive scale that corrupts

> You are saying, "poor people should just stay poor."
No, I said people who make bad decision should be poor.

> I did well in high school, classes were easy for me, but I didn't have the money for all of the clubs and SAT tutors and stuff that goes along with AP courses.
... and I suppose going to college is, in your opinion, the only way to avoid poverty? And that to go to college, you have to immediately go after high school? Have you thought about the Trades, programming bootcamps or simply taking courses at a slower pace while you work?

> And because of that, I've always wondered how many kids in the ghettos and the inner city could be doctors and scientists and engineers had they had the opportunity for another upbringing. Who could be the next Edison or Tesla?
Are you sure you want to bring in the name of someone so focused on his work he died a virgin? Thing is, you can achieve a lot living a minimalist lifestyle.

> And that is why capitalism is unjust. It is nearly impossible to climb the socioeconomic ladder.
It's sad to read. We can't reach the top side when there's nepotism around, and nepotism cannot survive in laissez-faire capitalism. It is quite possible when state power enforces professional orders, minimum wage and miles upon miles of red tape.

Capitalism, however, has constant churning as for the second you drop your guard, a competitor bests you and steal your clientele.

How is capitalism unjust, exactly? It essentially boils down to private property. It's a neutral system. Without Christianity, the system fails because retards push things too far and it eventually turns into corporatism.

Mixed systems like in America and other countries is pretty good for now. Guarantee that people won't starve, won't be homeless, won't die because they don't have $5 to buy some pill, guarantee the basic needs then have free-ish markets for innovation and everything else.
Once you have very basic industrial shit, it is trivial for nations to feed/clothe/house its population - not with the best shit, but with something. Then you open markets for everything else so people can create and be rewarded for quality production. Just have to regulate a bit so Jews and Psychos can't rip off or kill everyone.

1. Kill every kike
2. Abolish universal suffrage
3. Establish Starship Troopers-like system

Peoples don't appreciate what they get without difficulty.
We need to teach responsibility and work for the benefit of ourselves and society.

> Abolish currency.
> abolish blanket equality
> Make an effort based economy (i.e The more usefull you are to society, the richer you are)

wow I hate Libertarianism now

>How is capitalism unjust, exactly? It essentially boils down to private property. It's a neutral system.
possibly true. passes the initial validity test
>Without Christianity, the system fails because retards push things too far and it eventually turns into corporatism.
left turn into crazy religious ramblings.

Communism is pure evil you stupid cunt.

>and nepotism cannot survive in laissez-faire capitalism.

You are literally retarded.

>Guarantee that people...won't die because they don't have $5 to buy some pill,

Are you sure about that? Medicine is hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars. If you can't afford your medical bills, the doctors won't see you.

Why is it ok that only those who can afford it should go to the doctor, while those who can't should die? It seems barbaric.

>haves and have nots

Every libertarian I know is fedora as fuck.

>bruh I just wanna go to my gay friends wedding and smoke weed while shooting guns and not paying taxes

It is clearly le contrarian reddit meme political identity.

Your argument was so powerful, I'm a communist now.

> (You)
>> Implying a society that uses slaves is a free market.

Why shouldn't it be?

>> Implying communism works without coercion akin to slavery.
It depends. Democracy play a big role in this case. Sure, if you have kikes and dumbasses running the thing, you end up in hell. If instead you have a more direct access to democracy it can work fine.

I'm not here to convert anyone to anything. I'm not going to believe what you believe and you're not going to believe what I believe.

Besides, I need to read more into what Scandinavia is doing. I think it is working a lot better than the United States. Maybe democratic socialism is a good midway point between the two.

> Why shouldn't it be?
Because coercive power is employed? Because slavery and freedom are conceptual opposites?

Same thing with taxation, regulation and fiat currency.

Two words: Demographic Winter

> (You)
>> Why shouldn't it be?
>Because coercive power is employed? Because slavery and freedom are conceptual opposites?
>Same thing with taxation, regulation and fiat currency.

Freedom and Capitalism don't mix together. You are just masquerading coercion with capital (owning capital means owning ppls lifetime).

Also, free trade doesn't mean personal freedom.

Fusion economy should solve this conundrum.
>implying oil kikes will let the genie out of the lamp

Communism has never been tried though.

Capitalism has been tried, and it's failing miserably.

''Liberal'' Racism was tried between 1860-1865, and failed

State Racism was tried between 1933-1945, and failed miserably.

Equality is a social construct

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I dont know newton, we have a flooding of venezuelans here in the land of Augusto Pinochet, clearly capitalism won this battle. that doesnt mean its perfect tho.

Thunder dome

Venezuela isn't communist though

>Communism doesn't work, and capitalism is unjust.
>So, what is the solution?
capitalism, duh.

Effort is not equal most useful.

Pancasila

Fascism

Stalinism

>third position
>republicanism

There is no place for elections in the third position fag

>like pre union industrial revolution rockefeller type shit. 7 year olds working 80 hour days, 16 families living in a one bedroom outhouse. That kind of thing.
The government doesn't have that much control over the market. If that is where the market is headed, then the government wouldn't be able to stop it.

Anti-child labor laws were meant to keep children out of dangerous factory jobs. Now it stops them from holding an office job or the many safe low-wage jobs we have today. And a lot of people fucking wish they could find more hours to make more money. Due to required benefits for full time employees, employers avoid giving full-time. So instead of working overtime at one job they need to get 3 jobs to afford things.

>on the fence about communism vs capitalism
You're retarded if you can't tell what's better. European countries are capitalist (sometimes even more so than the USA) economies with a generous welfare state. Anyone sane has realized capitalism is the best system, we're just arguing over how much government involvement there should be.

Let's take income inequality to its most extreme: The top 0.1% having all the resources while the rest of the country starves. Did I just describe a capitalist country or a communist country?

Hello sir, do you have some time today to talk about Fascism?

>capitalism is unjust

Get out of here you fucking crybaby.

The reason why communism never seem to work is because they are missing one key ingredient. The human element. Sharing the means of production, but what about the means of reproduction? Real communism can only be achieved if you're willing to share your wife with other men.

Neither Mao nor Stalin shared their wives, and look where that got them.
Communism needs the sharing of humans in order to be successful.
Real communism is essentially cuckoldry.
If you're not willing to share your wife with other men, then communism will never ever work.

>capitalism is unjust
fuck off and find a job fucking lazy ass commie