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Does Sup Forums actually prefers Stay Night over Zero or is it just a meme ?

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Both are shit

Stay night because it has the superior Caster

If you're referring to the adaptations DEEN's 2006 anime is a mediocre mashup of 3 routes, Zero has horrendous pacing and animation errors out the ass, the UBW film was a mess albeit entertaining, and the UBW anime is an atrocity with all the anime-original garbage they crammed in.

Ufotable might have shinier animation but believe it or not DEEN's is more competently directed. Neither are very faithful to the source, though if you asked me yeah I preferred Stay/Night.

The VN is still the best.

The problem is the continuing miscommunication between strongly vocal 'camps' that disavow the validity and/or value of the other, rather than state anything of substance about the nature of the works themselves.

There are many 'versions' of both works. It is meaningless to say something like "FSN is bad" if your sole experience with the work is the visual novel. In the same right, it is meaningless to say "FZ is bad" if your sole experience with the work is the anime. No, the Fate Zero anime does not have as much textual substance as the FSN VN. Of course it doesn't. It's not a visual novel.

There is no value in speaking on either work unless you are familiar with the totality of one or the other. How many people, do you truly imagine, have actually sat down for 30+ hours to listen to the Fate/Zero sound drama? How many people have seen the manga adaptations of FSN? How many people have read the Fate/Zero novels? How many people have read through all of the potential decisions in the FSN VN?

What is the purpose of hearing - much less responding to - the views on both works of someone who is not familiar with all of the aspects of both works?

I will not posit a view because of the implications of the above: what are the chances that a person critically responding to my perspective will have met the prerequisites necessary to create an informed opinion?

fpbp

Go back to Re:Zero and Aot threads faggot.

No zero is the best thing fate has brought


In terms of story zero>>>stay night>stay ubw

In terms of fights zero>>>stay ubw>stay night

HF > FZ > UBW > fate
Things were so much simpler when that was all you ever needed to know.

I have only seen the anime adaptations and I would say Zero is far better. I had more fun and Irisviel>Illyasviel, Kiritsugu>Shirou, Rider was best bro and there was more Kirei. In FSN Saber and Rin feel like boring archetypes

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You're probably a fucking retard that didn't play the VN. You're missing between one and two thirds of /stay Night, jackass.

>ranking fights
What are you, a child?

>VN

I played the VN before Zero was even an anime.


Strange/Fake>>>Zero>>Stay Night>>>Apocrypha>>>Shit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anything related to Grand Order.

You can just watch the anime for Zero and get a pretty good experience. It's entry level. Though it also has its own unique advantages over F/SN, a lot of it is just being a sensible viewing experience. Which certainly isn't bad.

You need to play the VN to experience Fate Stay/Night. There is no way around it. And trying to go through the VN can be a mess, anyway. That goes double if you have prior experience on the series. Watching Zero, UBW, or the 2006 series will spoil a lot of the story.

But if you can bother, the VN is great. Does a lot of interesting stuff, even if it's kind of old hat by now.

I prefer Stay night because VNs are better then anime for me, way more immersive.
Zero I already knew he dies and had a bad ending, didnt care for anyone, zero is probably way better if you are a secondary and dont know the ending

Dies Irae > all of these

>posts picture of a literally who loli
>calls people a child

>doesn't even mention Extra
You're a fucking faker.

>literally who loli

If nothing else, you correctly ranked Grand Order.

Extra/CCC didn't happen. They're TM's GT.

>choose between 2 waifus and that guy you've seen a million times already

It's shit.

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Sakura falls in love with Shiro.

Unable to confess, the wormslut is gifted by a deus ex machina with the boy's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, she immediately calls him, and is overjoyed to find out that he has a crush on her as well.

But, the next day, when the educated prostitute recounts the previous day's confessions to the boy, he only looks at her with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, she finds out that the boy she called is not the same boy she fell in love with. In fact, he doesn't exist in this universe at all. He is the alternate universe counterpart of her crush, who has fallen in love with her AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of his crush.

Hijinks ensue as they strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip each other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of FISH.

>Sakur-Ai! Because, you know, she's Sakura and it's a love story. Get it, get it?

No, that's Tsukihime.

Best girls in the series and Gil at his finest.

>Apocrypha above Grand Order
ahah, yeah right.

>Gil

The curse of being EOP.

A serious, non-memeing answer:

They are two completely different works that have their own merits, so neither is really better than the other. F/Z is a tragedy, meant to instill a sense of catharsis from watching everyone fail at their ambitions and dreams. F/SN is an inspirational story about ideals, with three routes that explore three different answers. Fate is a message about supporting others to help achieve your ideals, UBW is pressing on with your ideals against heavy opposition, HF is the courage to abandon your ideals for new ones.

Thats a description not an answer.

>neither is really better than the other
>not an answer
kill yourself
really, you should do it

>neither is really better than the other

Thats a non answer for faggots too afraid to commit to anything.

Stay night is clearly better.

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I genuinely believe neither one is superior to the other. I PREFER Stay Night, but I don't think it's any better than Fate/Zero. I don't like tragedies.

Only embarrassing fatescucks like fate more since they dedicated days reading their porn novel. everyone else knows zero is a vastly superior show.

Strange Fake is literally the hipster choice

HF >Fate >UBW >F/Z

It is the correct choice. The desired choice.

Yes, Urobuchi is a hack. Only secondaries actually think F/Z is good, big TM fans all know it's shit.

From what I seen, Stay Night is very much better than Fate/Zero. In Zero, the characters besides Rider/Waver barely had any personality besides their ideology, and there was no development for them. I don't know, but even when I only seen the UBW adaptation, I could tell that the author put much more effort into making his character more dimensional and make them have poignant character arcs and than of course the visual novel proved that to be true. Although even if Rin was my favourite in the UBW anime, they omitted a lot about her character and her character conflict (same with a lot of characters like the mc for example), but regardless, I prefer Stay Night

Muramasa > Fate/Zero >>>>>> Fate/Stay Night >>>>>> Dies

Sorry, Muramasa is the superior hero/villain philosophical story.

It isn't even finished and most people who rank it higher didn't even read the damn thing. It's literally a meme

lol at trying to make S/N as bad as possible by throwing Carnival Phantasm scenes into S/N images you might as well place the card game instead of the king game scene and Saber in the maid outfit instead of Gil just chilling while looking at her since they are the same episodes.

>meme
Kill yourself.

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It's a meme like Sup Forums with BvS.

I don't know much about crossboard memes, but BvS was undeniably the best live action superhero film yet.

>getting triggered over a word
wew

FSN has more Seiba so it's better

>wahh anime original content in UBW

I hear this all the time, but no one says what they specifically didnt like. Here are some anime original scenes:
Illya backstory, which offers a cool look into the Einzbern household
Caster backstory, which fleshes out how she was summoned and met Kuzuki
Kuzuki backstory, which gave the least fleshed out character in the franchise at least some background
The epilogue episode, which was just fun, and doesnt mess up the rest of the story

I played through every VN route along with every potential decision or Bad End back in 2008, long before the Zero anime came out, and caved into marathoning the Zero novel back when the Zero anime was on its seventh episode.

Zero > Stay Night

Still looking for a book, not necessarily a VN or anything Japanese, that's similar to Zero.

Tsukihime and KnK were better than either. DDD has the potential to be too, not that Nasu will ever finish it.

>KnK
>good

No.

>Kuzuki backstory, which gave the least fleshed out character in the franchise at least some background
Kuzuki's background is already explored in HA 10 times better, but aside from that scene the rest was fine, what you have to understand is that they do not need a valid reason to shitpost.

Good argument.

both had a shitty end but i liked zero more , is the VN actually good or its just a meme that wants me to waste 50 hours of my life ?

Tsukihime is amateurish as shit. Next thing you'll say that you like Ryukishi07 writing. KnK is fine nothing really that great about it.

That's right user, for over a decade people have only discussed FSN ironically in the hopes of tricking people into reading the VN when no one actually likes it.

HF=F/Z>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>UBW>Fate
And Tsukihime>FSN

Finally the truth comes out.

And yet despite being amateurish, they're still better written than either FSN or F/Z.

Both suck, but Fate Stay Night at least had character progression.

If you think that then there is really no hope for you. F/SN is a million times better.

Stick to Dies and Ryukishi07, faggot.

Zero falls apart when you start scrutinizing it with anything more than a glance. Most of its characters are weak, with only exceptions being those ported over from Fate. Fate itself holds up better, given that it actually explores its themes instead of wanking off to characters acting out of character so Uro can jerk.

Feast of kings if best example of this. If you actually start thinking about arguments presented, story's favorite Iskander starts sounding like an idiot, to say nothing of Saber doing 180 on her Fate characterization just because Urobuchi likes bullying.

Literally quality aside, holy shit are UBW fights better. I usually don't give a shit about visual spectacle, but i had to drop my Zero rewatch on Saber vs Deermund. It's just so damn slow compared to explosiveness of Fate fights that its actually hard to watch.

This. Uro's writing is the kind of thing that would get good grades in a screenwriting class, but not something that will have a significant impact on anyone or really even be remembered in the future

Tsukihime is the superior VN

Also, Urobuchi cant keep abilities consistent. How the fuck does Saber transform a motorcycle? She has no ability that even comes close to doing that. Berserker can apparently shapeshift, an ability he uses once toward the end of the story. So its really just an asspull.

First it apparently combination of Saber using Prana Burst and Riding. Second is same ability that kept Berserker's stats hidden, but due his madness it can be only used as shapeshifting by the order of command seal.

The Berserker thing is true and valid, but you 100% know that the motorcycle was just the butcher jerking himself off to how cool a mega-motorcycle dodging rocks and doing 360° spins while driving 300km/h would be.

>F/Z being equal and/or better than Amy VN route

lol no

>but not something that will have a significant impact on anyone or really even be remembered in the future

Urobuchi on his own can't create something popular that would resonate with the masses, his brand of pandering is niche. Even in his home industry it's pretty niche, he was simply "that" guy. But since Madoka, producers realized they can combine his writing with the right elements in order to make something "popular" that the masses would enjoy and would have a lasting impact.

However there is a good chance he'll be writing puppet shows for the rest of his life, he said it's his favorite medium by far.

How does Gae Dearg work? It pierced Saber's armor cause it was made of mana (does this apply to everyone? Would it go straight through Berserker or Gil's armor?), it short circuited Caster's book which instagibbed all his monsters, it cleaved straight through Berserker's pole, and then it disintegrated his plane.

Both of his spears in legend both left unhealable wounds so this is something they made up. It's like Rule Breaker, except that had more clearly defined rules, gets more mileage in the story, and nicely ties in Medea being the witch of betrayal.

And an untrained teenager defeating a demigod King of Heroes is also someone jerking off to how cool the idea is. Don't act like Zero's methods are so markedly different.

Cool phonepost

Doesn't make it any less false

It's a blade of curses.

not that user, but you should get down on your knees and suck my dick

Shirou's defeat of Gilgamesh is 100% explained. Yes, its for the sake of being cool, but it works within that universe. The Saber motorcycle comes out of nowhere

Well to be fair, Shirou's victory over Gil is more of those "you landed a couple blows at you that would've killed if not for the fact that I am a demigod, so you're pretty good I guess" victories. It's not like Shirou actually bested him for real or anything.

He was about to kill him after the whole "You're pretty good I guess" speech, but he got GRAILED. And he probably would've killed Shirou still if not for Emiya. Plus, didn't they do the whole "with every blow, I'm getting stronger" thing at the Einzbern mansion duel? Shirou was buffed to the point where he can cast Raw Anus, in addition to UBW.

And the other guy above just explained the motorcycle for you.

My point wasn't about the validity of the fight; it was about the comparison of the validities of the two circumstances.

Yes

Prana Burst + Riding doesn't really explain the motorcycle, how does that fit within the way those abilities were established to work

So in other words it does whatever the plot needs it to do

Where's the Shirou between Redman and Highschool Shirou from?
The one with the red scarf?

That's from some flashback in Extra I think

It's from Read the VN

Zero is superior in every way but SN fags can't handle it

I just checked the novel to refresh myself; the motorcycle doesn't even transform in the novel. It's just described as having been modded to fuck by Kiritsugu, and the only thing Saber does with it is spam prana so that it Goes Fast and doesn't slam into walls in a millisecond.

>The mechanical tool Emiya Kiritsugu had prepared was not four wheeled, but two-wheeled instead, perhaps to maximize Saber’s Riding skill ... A Servant’s reinforced skills could only be maximized by riding a motorcycle, with the driver’s body exposed to the elements outside. Of course, if it could be used by a Servant, an existence beyond ordinary humans, it did not matter if the motorcycle’s functions ignored the limits of normal drivers. This was originally a ridiculously impractical and hypothetical motorcycle design, but Kiritsugu actually managed to make it a reality.
>... This motorcycle had already surpassed its limit as a tool of man. This was an alien creation born through advanced modern technology.
So the warping shit is anime original.

dumb neneposter

Curse you ufotable

Red Scarf is Extra my dude. Sniper Shirou

HF > Zero > UBW > Fate >>>>>>>> everything else

Although, i am honestly surprised at amount of hate GO is getting here. Camelot, Babylon and Time Temple are best Nasu has ever written, easily.

Is it inherent dislike of mobage format, people dropping after first few abysmal chapter or what?

An extraordinary amount of it stems solely from distaste for the jokey-er characters and Servants. Very, very few anti-GO posts on either Sup Forums or /vg/ ever cite anything about the story. They complain about the silly designs of the Servants and about the fact that Grand Order is a phone game. That is, in all honesty, about it.

Seriously, check the archives - you will not find anybody complaining in the vein of "Orleans sucks because [plot point] and [lore counterpoint]" or whatever; it's almost undiluted in the vein of "Nasu just wants to sell cowtits and make bank off of mobage waifus from greasy otaku".

To be frank, earlier parts of the story are really weak, although they are written by other writers who were also told not to try too much because mobage.

Especially Septum.

UBW > HF > Fate > F/Z >>>>>>>>>>>> everything else

And that's fine, and that's fair to criticize - but nobody on Sup Forums ever does. Bizarrely enough, it tends to be /vg/-type anti-GO people who write real criticism of the work. Sup Forums-type anti-GO people have a penchant for passive-aggressively whole-sale dismissing anything that they even partially disapproves of; which, I suppose, contributes to that notion.