How can Communism be when the state controls everything if Communism is stateless?
"In political and social sciences, communism is the philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state."
None of their theory makes any sense and they get extremely spastic when you point this out. Gramsci was the smartest of the lot and he basically had to reverse all of Marx to make any sense of anything
>he basically had to reverse all of Marx to make any sense of anything
I've never read Gramsci. Can you give me an example?
Just because you haven't achieved communism, doesn't mean you aren't communist.
So Transgender people are the genders they want to achieve?
Because you need a state to enforce the absolute changes proposed by Communism. The idea of a "stateless" society without a hierarchy falls apart as soon as someone dissents.
What about anarchists?
That's why it can never work.
>stateless, classless
>but the central authority runs the place with its own class of people
It's lulzworthy and for brainlets
>achieve communist revolution
>enact intermediary state to usher in communist utopia
>communist utopia never comes
this is how it always happens. somehow lazy westerners think they can be the ones to finally make it work, without knowing how or why communist revolutions ALWAYS fail to bring about a utopia.
It's a scam
What, anarcho-communism? Again you need everyone to agree on the rules or it doesn't work, and if someone dissents and does not agree, then to prevent that scenario they must coerce the dissenter to falling back into line, creating a power imbalance (thus establishment of a hierarchy).
>but the central authority runs the place with its own class of people
Where does Marx say this?
How are you going to redistribute my grain when I tell you to fuck off?
Is it hierarchy to kill a man who is trying to kill you?
Bullet in the head.
That sounds rather authoritarian of you....
Are you against the authoritarian killings that took place to bring capitalism from feudalism?
Who said that the dissenter is attempting to kill the other members of the society?
Why are you avoiding the question?
Objection!
Relevance?
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nice argument
When he talks about how people need to be controlled into Communism.
Control = authority, so there's a state
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Which is authority and you're a class of person now above others
Marxism-Leninism claims to be a transitory state to full communism.
You're trying to re-frame the argument by Implying that the so-called "stateless" society is merely defending itself.
He just became Judge, Jury, and Executioner - he IS the state.
A lot of the times Marxist-Leninist regimes weren't aiming for stateless utopia in the first place. A lot of people probably knew that the state stage would last until it collapsed.
Yes, and Marx says this
Hence, it's for brainlets that just want to enforce their ways of life on others, i.e., authoritarianism
Most of the time it wasn't the same people "trying again."
He coined the term "long march through the institutions." The Frankfurt School took a lot of its cues from him
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Why did the Communist get a headache?
why?
He was hungry.
There was a shortage of aspirin.
Because he tried to redistribute my grain!
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Why do Marxists drink herbal tea?
I dno why?
Because proper tea is theft.
get it?
Proper tea is theft.
Where did Joseph Stalin get his insurance policy?
>common ownership
>no state
>choose only one
A scheme of "common ownership" requires that people make consensus decisions about what to do with those things that are "commonly owned". In doing so, they become a state. The idea is, in itself, pants on head retarded and contradictory.
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I dno where?
State Farm.
Ok I don't get that one.
State Farm is an insurance company. Maybe it just operates in the US.
Oh yeah. And that full communism was Stalinism. And Maoism in CHYNA
How did Stalin get rid of mice in the Kremlin?
Two fellas are walking down the street in the Soviet Union and one of them says, "Have we really achieved full Communism? Is this it? Is this now, full communism?"
The other one said, "Oh hell no, things are going to get a lot worse."
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Yes. By doing so you are valuing your own life above theirs.
The real redpill is that only oligarchy has ever existed and can ever exist. Different political or economic systems like democracy or communism just serve to obfuscate the oligarchy behind a veil of abstract ideology.
No they're just trannies
State != Government
This one doesn't work because the people in the Soviet Union didn't know what communism was.
Actually true
Estou completamentr redpillado.
Simple. I fuked your dads asshole.
the idea is that the working people of the whole world, or at least the whole western world, unite, remove the rich, remove private property of the rich, remove borders and live in peace and vote on everything democratically. Needless to say, it's unrealistic and unachievable
>Not muh real communism
Holding on that cool aid and being in denial? If you want communism go to venesezula and stay there you fucking commie.
yes but state is only the "temporary" solution. The long term solution is the "dictatorship of proletariat", basically democracy. But of course, the idea that the people that initially get that power would just let it go and give the power to people is ludicrous
well since capitalism is so global and powerful, any change has to be a dictatorship, it can't be peacefully and democratically elected. The country would have to separate and isolate itself form the rest of the world if it doesn't play by (((their))) rules (see North Korea)
In Venezuela the workers don't own the means of production and the economy is dominated by private businesses. Does that sound like socialism?
>workers owning the means of production
when will you accept that this can't happen. North Korea is the closest thing to socialism at the moment and see how well they're doing
If the need for a "temporary" state occurs again and again, then it is not so "temporary", it's a state with active and inactive stages.
It's happened probably 40 times.
lol where
New Harmony, Indiana (1825–1827)
Oberlin Colony (1833-1843)
Utopia, Ohio (1844-1856)
Socialist Community of Modern Times (1851-1864)
The Paris Commune (1871)
Home, Washington (1895-1919)
Equality Colony (1900-1907)
Strandzha Commune (1903)
Saint Petersburg Soviet (1905)
The Soviet Union (1917-1918)
Alsace-Lorraine Soviet Republic (1918)
Spartacist uprising (1918-1919)
Free Territory of Ukraine (1918-1921)
Hungarian Soviet Republic (1919)
Bavarian Soviet Republic (1919)
Limerick Soviet (1919)
Bremen Soviet Republic (1919)
Biennio Rosso (1919-1920)
Ruhr Uprising (1920)
Kronstadt rebellion (1921)
Life and Labor Commune (1921-1937)
Anarchist Shinmin (1929-1932)
Revolutionary Spain (1936 – 1939)
Peasants Associations in Korea (1945-1950)
Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (1945–1992)
Rural China (1948-1950)
Hungarian Revolution (1956)
Republic of Cuba (1959-Present)
May 1968 events in France (1968)
Czechoslovakia under Dubček / Prauge Spring (1968)
Chile during Allende's government (1970-1973)
Jamacia under Manley (1972-1980)
New Jewel Movement / PRG in Greneda (1973-1983)
Seychelles under René (1977-2004)
People's Republic of Kampuchea (1979–1989)
Marinaleda, Spain (1979-Present)
Burkina Faso under Sankara (1983-1987)
Rebel Zapatista Autonomous Municipalities (1994-Present)
Oaxaca Commune (2006)
Democratic Federation of Rojava – Northern Syria (2013-Present)
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>Sdage one
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>Sdade two
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>Sdage three
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Communism is where we like, we have all the stuff made already and everything, we have all the means of production
but then so like, no one owns anything anymore. We all own everything bro. And since we're all intelligent human beings and we all act morally, we all share, bro. And we take care of our common property, because we're good people. Bad doesn't exist anymore. Tragedy of the commons? That's a thing of the pass. We got rid of that when we genocided the bourgeoisie and their sympathizers man.
Now it's just smooth sailing from here man. The perfect utopia. We just like, work when we want, we take only what we really need from the stores because greed doesn't exist anymore, and we all work our hardest for the greater good. Yeah, an incomprehensibly large number of people feign illnesses and things like that so they never work but reap the rewards of our perfect system... but... it's worth it man... I can't imagine a better life than this man it's literally heaven on earth my man.
>The Soviet Union (1917-1918)
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a lot of those are just tiny, irrelevant communities or shitholes, almost all failed eventually. And I have to laugh at Yugoslavia as well, because it wasn't a moneyless society, there was a market which meant association with the bourgeoisie disgusting American capitalists .Tito was a big fan of America and imported a lot of stuff into Yugoslavia, the only difference is that the market wasn't free, most of the money went to the state and because of all that, jealousy and ethnic tensions were rising because most investments ended up in Serbia, as opposed to the other countries, which ended up in that 90s shitshow.
That still wasn't "real communism"
>Communism is stateless
nice meme faggot
Not a communist, but I think they reason that the final goal is to achieve a stateless society through a state at first. Besides that it doesn't make any sense unless there are two types of communism, one with a state and a stateless one.
It also doesn't make any sense why communists call the bourgeoisie the middle class when it is the upper class which rules and owns most of the wealth, not the middle class. Communism is for retards and doesn't make sense. It was invented by Jews to make gentile nations poor so they're more easily conquerable anyway.
>says Worker ownership cant be done
>posts 40 places
> yeah but that doesnt count
We weren't talking about communism we were talking about socialism. Pretty much all of them failed because of outside capitalist forces.
As for Yugoslavia if it was such a shithole why do the majority of people say Yugoslavia was better than what they have now?
In the Soviet Union the state owned the means of production, not the workers. You're rhinking of cooperative socialism which is pretty good imo.
>Pretty much all of them failed because of outside capitalist forces.
oh yeah i'm sure
>As for Yugoslavia if it was such a shithole why do the majority of people say Yugoslavia was better than what they have now?
i'm not saying it was a shithole, I'm saying it didn't follow the communist standards on a moneyless, stateless society, which resulted in jealousy over money and eventual downfall. When Tito died, there was no one strong enough to keep that mess together, it was artificial and had to collapse, and I'm convinced the same goes for any "borderless" society.. Zizek talked about that many times
He didn't coin that term though. False idea.
>oh yeah i'm sure
They did. They always get bombed into nothing. The economies don't fail they all get slaughtered.
>i'm not saying it was a shithole, I'm saying it didn't follow the communist standards on a moneyless, stateless society, which resulted in jealousy over money and eventual downfall
Yeah I wasn't communist but Tito had plans to turn the country Communist when he felt it was ready. He wrote a book about it.