Give me ONE (1) actual reason why communism doesnt work without resorting to memes or ad hominem

Give me ONE (1) actual reason why communism doesnt work without resorting to memes or ad hominem.

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>without resorting to memes or ad hominem
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humans are imperfect greedy fucks

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everyone who isnt white

Why work when I can sit back and do nothing and be taken care of?

Show me ONE (1) time Communism actually worked

your out of touch im out of time

Look at History and give me a single instance where communism worked.

The dictatorship of the proletariat is the weak point. Give people that kind of power and they don’t hand it back easily. Toss in the permanent revolution idea and you have a textbook recipe for totalitarianism. Like any good synthesis it contains the seeds of its own destruction.

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People like to own things and have some degree of freedom basically
We just use the memes because you should be smart enough to come to the conclusion that communism isn’t good

Everybody starving to death mainly

Also I feel like most commies are lazy soy boys who are afraid of hard work and want the state to gib them dats

Violence and coercion.

One reason?

ALL OF FUCKING HISTORY.

SAGELY FAGGOT.

Define "actual communism" since you commies always dodge things with "that isn't really communism"

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It's gonna stay that why after I post the following.

>From each according to his ability, to each according to his need
You have no metrics for need or ability. Even if you did you would have to answer this: who does the measuring and who decides where resources go? Your ideology implies a massive resource management system that would require a bureaucracy so massive I would consider it a parody of parodies. With this system you have people who objectively have power over their fellows which violates your classless criteria for Communism and your stateless criteria. Bonus question: who would arbitrate disputes between communist territories and how would you stop one of said territories from voting to leave the collective?

Communism boils down to one thing, that you dirty little reds want to be the new elite because you can't compete with the current elite and you are unsatisfied with what you already have. Greedy control freaks the lot of you.

Human nature.

Marx's communist utopia was never achieved and was only pursued by feudal nations that never had the capacity to push through those reforms.

Actual communism is the classless, money-less, and state less society where humans get what they need and do what they want.

It was never achieved.

>Give me ONE (1) actual reason why communism doesnt work

Can't. "Communism": is just anti-capitalist bitching. It proposes no system of its own. Hard to argue against something that doesn't exist.

Communism can work great for the goverment but not so great for the people, just like every other totalitarian regime.

Let's say you start communism in your country now. What happens to the people who refuse to hand over their property to the government? What happens to those who refuse to work or underperform? What happens to people who disagree with government policies?

The answer is the Gulag.

And it never will be achieved m8.

It doesn't take into account simple human nature.
It only works for unified (insectoid) organisms with a hive mindset.

Communism has two main goals - a classless and stateless society. A classless society could maybe work if the government was brutal enough, but a stateless society is literally impossible.

>Actual communism is the classless, money-less, and state less society where humans get what they need and do what they want.

you've described nothing.

>Actual communism is the classless, money-less, and state less society where humans get what they need and do what they want.

So Star Trek? With the magical machine that makes whatever food you ask it to on a whim?

But gee how will I get everyone to cooperate and share their amazing starcruiser technology with me?

I mean, I guess I could ask those AnCaps to help me out...

Post scarcity communism is a theory I think will happen. Robots will do all the jobs and create so much wealth that humans don't need to do anything.

Money becomes useless, class cease to exist, there is no point in a government because there will be no need for welfare or protecting people's property when everyone has everything.

Call them "stateless" when the commie state literally confiscate your belongings.

If communism can only work when there are infinite resources and infinite energy, then communism can't EVER work.

I described Marx's absolute freedom that he was hoping socialism would lead to.

He says that in capitalism humans have lost their sense of identity. They do crappy jobs, become a one sided character, and have no control over their life. Only through communism would humans regain their sense of identity and control.

you have no grasp of the concept of cause and effect. You have to be a millenial. millenials are stupid like that

Exactly my point - the only way for a communist society to become classless is to install a horrifyingly oppressive authoritarian dictatorship, which directly violates the second "stateless" point. Communism can never work.

>I described Marx's absolute freedom that he was hoping socialism would lead to.

true, you did describe a hope. You didn't describe an actual system of government though. Neither did Marx.

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Communists and socialists were the original anarchists, so don't act too surprise if you found out you all want the same thing.

I believe technological singularity will lead us to this.

Sorry there aren't any. Try again later.

Starvation and led by genocidal jews.

Give me one reason it does work

modern society is dominated by capital
for a communist system to work they would have to be luddites so that labor remained the dominant source of wealth creation
but without industrializing you will get conquered by a neighboring system so the whole thing is doomed from the start

How can leftists want freedom when they want to hand all power to the government has always buffled me.

I start to think that conservatism is actually the only liberal political standview. Shit, I'm getting old.

Diversity

Marx died before he finished writing, so who knows. Maybe he did had something.

But it was left to peasants in Russia and China to flesh it out, the countries he doubted would be able to see his dream fulfilled. He placed his bets on Germany and the UK

The death of millions of people

you don't know what you are talking about

literally no one here knows what communism even is if they don't even know the difference between private and personal property.

Communism is not "the government picks everyones jobs and everyone makes the same amount of money". communism is simply the workers owning the means of production, when the workers own the means of production you can have a society where the harder you work the more money you make. not the harder you scam the system or the more jewish banker you are with rich daddy the more money you make.

if america became communist you would still have your tv, car, nice house, things. the only difference is is that private property would be illegal, so just like how no one can own air no one can own "a factory". With a system like this you can destroy a parasitic billionaire class that works little and makes all the money, you would go back to real community and social progress where instead of the current system where you work at your job and make just enough to pay rent and eat you would have a share in your own job, so the harder you work the more money you make. instead of just making your manager's boss more money leaving to shitty unsatisfactory work

if anyone here wants to actually understand what national socialism is and why its important watch this
youtube.com/watch?v=6P97r9Ci5Kg

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Diversity is a good thing. Who needs unity nowadays?

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Fuck you.

Doesn't seem like something that's actually going to work

Who makes the stuff the people get for free?

Because anyone who works will have most of thier wages taken away so they would rather just not work, then everyone doesn't work and there's not food or income so then people starve to death by the 100 millions

Israel does, silly goy

People are inherently greedy and will resent their countrymen if they must work even 10% harder than their neighbor.

10% of any given population is psychopathic and will use this system to climb into power and abuse it without a shred of empathy - because they have 0. Hence literally hundreds of millions of people being dead because of communism.

Race to the bottom.

Communists aren't people

My best guess is that he expect socialism and communism to come naturally through capitalism getting more and more shitty. I don't think there should be a vanguard party that can "rush" this process.

>Post scarcity Communism
Wrong. Even if you remove value from goods and labor you will still have to contend with time. Until time itself loses all value none of this Communist fairy tale bullshit will ever be feasible. You will also have to remove human ambition and greed, something religion has been trying to curb for millennia.

Also even without money class will still exist. If one person has power that others lack he will effectively be in a different class. Unless humans become totally homogeneous (you know, getting rid of that pesky evolution thing) you will still have classes.

Your goals for Communism are cute but they are not functional in our reality and likely won't be for millions and millions of years when humans evolve beyond our physical forms and achieve a single mass consciousness.

keep in mind india, all of Africa, latin America is capitalist and they are shitholes

Russia went from a 3rd world shithole that JUST LOST A WAR to a literal fucking super power thanks to the power of ridding their country of parasitic non worker bourgouise

why would it work? you assume that it would, yet you have no evidence to suggest that it would

how exactly did communism in catalonia "work" given that the communist side fucking lost the civil war, particularly as they lost the war to a bungling retard like franco

The communist system can’t compete on an economic scale to capitalism. The only way it would’ve had a shot was for a successful world wide revolution in one go. But because that is practically impossible due to how different people are, it was doomed to fail.
Also, I’d rather had a few poor people than a centeralized system that makes almost everyone poor.

Commies got no work ethic, plus I don’t feel the need to pay for all your bullshit and you shouldn’t have to pay for my bullshit either.

>An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich; a great equalizer.

>The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A (substituting grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

>After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

>As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

>The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

>When the third test rolled around, the average was an F.

>As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

>To their great surprise, all failed and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

>It could not be any simpler than that.

Checkmate atheists

So who invests to create the worker's business? The workers themselves or me with my taxes? Or there will be no taxes?

And what happens with the business owners of today? Are we gonna take away their business and hand it to the workers even though the owner has paid everything by himself?

>Marx died before he finished writing, so who knows.

You don't even understand capital. No wonder you're a communist. Marx let capital sit for years before he died. Why? Because all he cared about was making himself a dictator, and when he realized that wasn't going to happen, he lost interest in the cult he was creating

easy as 1-2-3

the ussr was not communism you fucking buffoon

The incentives provided by communism are dysgenic (as is evidenced by the lowering of IQ during the USSR)

Central planning is never as efficient or responsive to change as free markets.

Party leaders, given 100% control of the entire economy, tend to be corrupt and end up enriching their friends and family at the expense of the public. The same could be said about the rest of the public, who, provided democracy (as in modern Greece or Spain or Portugal) will vote for ever more legal plunder in the hope of getting more free shit.

You can't oppress all forms of dissent without serious psychological damage to the population.

Religion and churches are seriously beneficial for many people. Banning it will leave a hole of meaninglessness, which will either be filled by naive communism or (when they eventually see their Red jail cell for what it is) nihilism.

Post scarcity will never happen because people (and other countries) will always compete for resources (no matter how plentiful they are) and thus "trve commvnism" will never be achieved, leaving the population to suffer through a "transition state" forever.

The LTV is fucking wrong, as are most of Marx's theories and predictions.

Economic class definitely isn't the only thing people care about and the only cause of conflict (as Marx posits). Really? What did the crusaders GAIN from the crusades? Hundreds of thousands of European children were left fatherless and impoverished (since a large amount of resources were spent preparing them for war). Just look up the bloody Children's crusade.

People are not all equal and do not deserve the same outcomes.

I could go on but there are no serious commies in this thread

I heard you got a good taste of diversity with the Kurds and the Turks. Imagine what Greece has to endure neighbouring them.

>I believe technological singularity will lead us to this.

And you've got to be 14 years old because you've never considered the effect that would have. Humans would multiply exponentially and rapidly deplete every last resource on the planet.

Just another flavor of (((Marxist))) shit.

could work on a small scale, like in a village, don't expect much wealth out of it tho.
with anything bigger the logistics become impossible to manage without a governing entity, a governing entity made up of other human beings who are corruptible, greedy or even worse

>if america became communist you would still have your tv, car, nice house, things. the only difference is is that private property would be illegal


"You would still have property, the only difference is you wouldn't be allowed to own property!" you're an idiot kid

I agree for what you said for my country. 1/3 is voting the goverment in exchange of public sector jobs and other "gibs".

The other 2/3 can either find a way to migrate or work in a shitty job for 3 euros an hour.

I really hate my own kind.

The problem is, commies and socialists still support what is technically not socialism. You can sit here and say "the USSR/China/Cuba/Vietnam/Pol Pot weren't true communists!" all you want but the fact remains that they called themselves communists, they were supported by communists and socialists alike, and they were trying as hard as they could to follow Marx's doctrine.

Yes it was. Communism is a perfect example of Schrodinger's work. The USSR is both Communist and not Communist at the same time until you observe a specific event and collapse the Jew function.

nazi Germany was not nazi, you moron.

You set yourself up for failure the moment you created this thread.

Without private property you cannot guarantee your own safety. "A government big enough to provide everything is big enough to take everything from you." There is no way to prevent yourself from being hauled away and shot by the government under a communist govt. Under our system even non-citizens are protected and get due process. This is because of property rights.

Turks are almost as sub-human as Jews, they're disgusting shitskins
I hate every single one of them

They're just dumb kids in America. The ones that make it into adulthood are the onces that never grew up and have never had a job. They're societal rejects that screech on Tumblr all day about being oppressed and held down by capitalism, but in reality they never made the leap from mama's nest and got fat enough/insane enough to claim disability...

Actually, I think that's pretty much the same as not being a person, so I agree.

>10% of any given population is psychopathic

Actually closer to 4%, but your point stands. In order for a communist system to work the way communist cultists claim that it will, the human species would have to be free of psychopathy because even if there was only one psycho left, he would seize control become a global overlord in under a year

Inb4 Commies cry "True Communism has no government!"

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It goes against the natural order

also sage

Don't kid yourself. Commies have infiltrated the intelligentsia and colleges thoroughly. Why do you think most European governments are full of them?

Oh, they are worst than Jews. Only the last 100 years they killed more than 5 million unarmed civillians.

One think they are good at is genocides and the other is stealing land and claiming it as theirs.

At least Jews stay where they are.

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I thought that was kind of high, but it's one of those things you think you heard at some point. There's also sociopaths. Not as dangerous as psychos because they aren't as cunning, but still a danger none the less. From the little I know about them they're a by product of shitty parenting, so unless the state is in control of child rearing too... At which point they'll pretty much control all aspects of life which brings us to why even exist if our entire existence is dictated start to end?

People like to own things.

People like to think their own thoughts.

You still had exchange capital in the USSR. So, it wasn't "real" communism.

>At least Jews stay where they are
If that were true my country wouldn't have the problems it has today and neither would the rest of Europe.

Can you explain how reaching a technological singularity allows us to access unlimited resources and energy, something that is physically impossible?
Leftists have never really wanted freedom, they only want to advance their own causes.

As far as I remember they haven't stolen USA clay or genocided you.

>implying that socialism, communism, and national socialism are the same thing
We really do need to fix our education system.

I know some that want freedom but are too afraid to denounce their childhood identity.

limitation of dunbar's number
humans are not eusocial ants in a hive

Give total power to few, huh. Absolute power corrupts absolutely

after years of struggle, the workers of the world had managed to move themselves from being serfs, property of the nobles just as much as the land was in the feudal era. Years of effort thrown away when marx/lenin convinced them to go back to a ferudal era, where the worker is no more than just another piece of machinery in the factories of the state. communism is nothing more than a theocratic feudal state, just with a few names changed and a nominal and ignorable pseudodemocracy veneer. congratulations for falling for yet another big con job.

Corruption is highly likely. It requires complete transparency at every level, or, harsh authoritarian tactics.