Legendary figures from all throughout history have to fight each other with crazy powers

>Legendary figures from all throughout history have to fight each other with crazy powers
>somehow they managed to make this concept boring as all fuck

How?

It's an ero vn.

Constant milking of the franchise

>Uses the fucking DEEN adaptation as pic related.

Well to be fair FS/N is shit, but the rest fate franchise is even more shit.
So it's because constant milking.

>Deen
>doing something right
They ruin almost everything they touch. The VN and the Ufo adaptations are good. I'm sure the spinoff airing this summer will be at least watchable.

If you're talking about the DEEN adaptation, everyone agrees that everything about it is shit, sans the soundtrack (godly). If that's your point, then no one will argue there.

But if you're talking about the entire franchise, give us some examples.

Is it true that Saber (alter) was going to be a guy but nasu had to pander to the fat Otakus in order for it to sell and tuned her into a 15 year old girl

It became better when they made lolis use the powers instead.

The battle royale shit in FSN is just a framing device for Nasu to explore the concept of the Hero Complex through Shirou.

If you care about the whole mythical figures being pinned against each other thing, go check out the side stuff.

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I hope Takeuchi gets cancer

It's an excellent concept that was very poorly executed. Also this also fucks it up.

>his first exposure to Fate was DEEN

Still mad at what they did to Umineko.

Says you. Both zero and stay night are interesting to me.

Here you go, literally the better version of Fate but of course the delusional fatefags will never admit its superiority and genius, only being able to understand it on a surface level since they're used to Nasu's awful garbage that's been milked for ages now.

Fate is like a religion to these people. No matter how much its gets milked no matter how many times people point out its flaws they will rigorously, like fanatics really, pull arguments out of their delusional asses just to protect their holy grail of junk.

>make the characters incredibly bland
>make the fights incredibly uninteresting
>make half the cast use swords
>3 of the main characters literally all do the same "shooting swords" shit
>main protagonist directly counters the strongest antagonist, making it have zero tension whatsoever

It's boring because Nasu isn't creative at all. I have to admit when I was really young and I was a chuuni I thought the VN was the best thing ever (because it was the only VN I read at the time). I don't understand how a magic war can be so boring but somehow he can make it happen. The only thing that I liked was the fact that one of the love interests had an actual compelling struggle and the Gate of Babylon is a really cool power. Other than that Fate as a series is complete trash and I have no idea why Sup Forums worships it so much.

Some people say Jojo is just a meme series. At least Jojo offers entertainment value and a unique artstyle. Fate literally offers nothing

also it has a boring soundtrack, and boring rooms and landscapes

Multiple parallel universe. Fuck this shitty postmodern trope and fuck every fiction that uses it.

Does DBS count
it kinda does that

You forgot
>cooking scenes. COOKING SCENES EVERYWHERE. with taiga, with sakura, with saber, with etc.

>boring soundtrack
Lad the rest of your post is true but this is unforgivable. I think that Fate is like Star Wars in that people subconsciously think the story is better than it really is, because the soundtrack is so good.

>At least Jojo offers entertainment value and a unique artstyle.
>Misusing the word Chuuni
>main protagonist directly counters the strongest antagonist, making it have zero tension whatsoever

What has happened to Sup Forums?

I wonder, if Archer were really trying to -just- kill Shirou, why didn't he go with Rin to the school and help her kill Shirou with ease?

Type Moon is famous for dialogue, setting and ideas. Don't bother if you are just some entry level faggot who thinks DBZ is the best anime ever.

Archer wasn't trying to kill shirou at first, you dummy.

HEY at least the animation is good right?

They decided to focus on a bunch of humans.

Humans are the worst.

Fate sucks, dude.

But heroic spirits are humans too.

It was pretty cool

>He saved TM through smart business decisions
>Wants the guy to die
Typical fujo

>Dies Irae
kek kill yourself you edgy faggot

Just watch Fate/Zero. SN is terrible and is only liked for its shit waifus

Zero is typical edgy faggotry that attracts the worst kind of secondaries. Opinion discarded.

Watch Drifters

I just read the Tsuikihime manga, and it was fucking awesome.
Should I read the VN? Are the other route interesting.

No the vn could still be the exact same, jus don't basterdize the original Arthur and remove the all the porn like nasu origablly wanted .Im just pissed that they made Arthur one of the greatest legends in history a 15 year old girl just so people could fap to her. That's my big problem with the fate franchise in general they try to make brutal shit cute. Wait no that's my problem with a anime in general

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Fate would never reach the status it has today with a male King Arthur. Takeuchi saved TM. Original Fate would be full of fujo faggotry and otome shit because of the shitty female protagonist.

It was also based Takeuchi's idea to include the maids in Tsukihime and their routes there were the best.

Yeah the Far Side routes (Akiha, Hisui, Kohaku) are really good.

>and remove the all the porn like nasu origablly wanted

Tsukihime was Nasu's first VN and it had porn. Proto would have had porn if It was released back when F/SN was


> that they made Arthur one of the greatest legends in history a 15 year old girl just so people could fap to her.
It was either that or a bishonen for fujos to ship with other guys and otomefags to schlick their cunts to

>fate/stay night
>boring
What? I can understand not liking the concept itself but for what it was, it was pretty good.

Not to mention not becoming a hit.

I do think that if SN were gender bent that it would do just as well. Gil, Rin, Kerry, Kirei, Cú and even EMIYA being gender bent would probably do just as fine. Just add a bad end with MSaber and FemGil or something. Shitposting would remain the same though.

>EMIYA being female
>Female protagonist
>VN
It would be a female oriented game and never reach the same hit status F/SN did

Berserk is super brutal and grimdark, yet has cute moments. Stop generalizing he world faggot

>fate zero is dark

This is what you mean when you use "edgy" in such a retarded fashion.

And there you go. You didn't understand the plot in the slightest.

>Muh taste of slsughter isn't edgy
Sure, Zerofag

Interesring concept and theme ruined by shit writing.
I'm glad Fate franchise went full waifufaggotry now instead of pretending to take itself seriously.

This. The VN sucks, the only good parts of the franchise are Zero and Strange Fake.

It really does. I think they biggest flaw with Japanese writing is that they take so damned long to say nothing. It's one thing to be boring. But it's even worse to be boring AND long. So much text. So little actual content.

>Zero
>Good

>Strange Fake
Literally meme tier series

You're not reading japanese writing in the VN, you're reading a shit tier translation.
>Little content
You're retarded

Unless the translation is adding entire paragraphs of English between each Japanese line, it still has a serious issue with pacing.

Because they turned the legendary figures into cute girls and prettyboys that don't really have all that much in common with the actual legends.

Zero is okay.
Strange Fake is doing pretty fine but it's too early to tell, who knows that it might turn out to be Apocrypha 2.0 that is much shittier than Stay Night garbage but I really hope not.

For you

So maybe Takeuchi should be the one in charge of Type-Moon. We'd probably have the Tsukihime remake by now.

Goddamn navelgazing. It's not just the translations either. You'll spend page after page reading about why a character is a certain way.

Yeah, the VN is pretty shit but Fate/Zero is good. Too bad the entire franchise can't be of the same quality.

The drama about Shiro and Archer being his future self is amazing itself. What was poorly executed was the characters. So much lack of depth they have. Rin and Sakura should have been truly complex characters, given the circumstances of their past. Same with everyone else. Oh well, guess someday a good fanfiction will come .

The difference is Strange Fake doesn't have an actual MC.

>FS/N
>good fanfiction

You'd have a higher chance of making alll your anime waifus real than that hapenning.

It's true. It's incredibly long winded. And repetitive. It's an interesting premise but the actual story is incredibly boring.

Fuck off. is right. No translation would save those parts.

This is a joke right? Masada is terrible at coming up with interesting plot and tells most of his stories through painfully predictable and trite devices. He does lousy at character development; his best ones are completely static, and even the ones that are supposed to "develop" in essence remain the same anyway; Ren is saying the exact same thing at the end of the game as he was at the beginning. His romance is pretty bad; everyone is either already in love or fall for each other inexplicably. His characters are also so out there it's almost impossible to connect to them on an emotional level, and so most of his drama falls flat (not like there's that much to begin with).

On the other hand, Kinoko Nasu's ability to create a strong plot around the setting that builds from small details and individual points into powerful climaxes that thematically pay off the events of his story is top tier. Characterization is Nasu's greatest strength and the reason his works are so popular too. FSN is better than Dies irae, no question in my mind about it.

Wasn't prototype supposed to be like? but it didn't gain enough popularity to warrant a full anime

Once he actually regained his memory (Which was after that) he had only one shot at doing this , so he had to create a scenario that would cut off all possible hopes of Shirou ever making the deal to become a Counter Guardian, not even death was a perfect guarantee unless he broke his spirit first.

"Fate Zero/Berserk/Alien/Whatever is dark" is a worthless, obvious observation and everything that follows from it

>dark things are bad

Is equally retarded.

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Well as seen with the sales right now if they make an anime of it in today's time fujoshits will eat it up. I think the reason for not adapting it into a full anime is that type moon has a lot of other stuff planned so there's no room in the schedule

>female protagonist

Male Saber would have been the main character you fucktard

Yes. Little content. It has a like 800k-1 Million fucking words. And it's a visual novel. It has the benefit of using images to help show characters and settings.

For comparison sake let's look at some regular novel word counts:
War and Peace: 600k
All 7 Harry Potter Books: 1 Million
The Hobbit + LotR: 800k
All Three Hunger Games Books: 300k

That is a strange list of books.

Prototype got an OVA years ago, I thought we will get a whole season for it but TM didn't deliver.
I would love to see a complete anime adaptation for Proto since it stays to Fate's original concept and its art got a massive upgrade since based Nakahara took over.
Seriously, Takeouchi should just retire as the heard artist and let Nakahara do the job. I'm fucking tired of his annoying seibah clones.

n-no pan!?

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They should make a Fate otome game

Who the fuck is that Persona 4 Arena OC Coldsteel?

Forgot to say, still looks better than most of Grand Order's shitty original "characters".

Fate Prototype will never have a full anime adaptation unless waifubux ran out.

>They decided to focus on a bunch of children.

FTFY

Also why Zero is better.

Focusing on "le epic myths and legends turned into anime characters xD" is exactly why Apocrypha, Extella, and Grand Order are fucking shit with none of the originals' charm.
Well, one of many reasons, at least.

but it wasn't. At all.

I thought one of the main points of Zero was that the cast were mostly manchildren? Kiritsugu even uses the "boku" pronoun

>Implying Zerofags are capable of understanding anything but the most obvious details

Because FSN focuses on a boring piece of shit MC nobody gives a shit about because Nasu was forced to change his story to pander to self insert otaku when he wanted to make it about cool hero fights in the beginning.

The rest of the entries of the franchise improve it by focusing on the Masters instead of literal who OCs.

It's ok, now Nasu panders to Takeuchi making more Sabers but likes to shit on her in the terms of relevance to the plot, having Sakurai making Arthur a far more powerful and key player for the multiverse.

This is the average GOfag by the way.

Reminder that true hero of justice Emiya Shirou would choose to gas all players of that trash as a service to mankind.

Yeah, FGO was in the TOP 10 games nip women played according to a survey. Ranked among only husbando collectors and powerful idolshit like LL that they loved.

If you can see Shirou as a self-insert, you need a therapist.

>implying
FGO is one of the many examples of how to make Fate right. Nasu's original idea and vision was "King Arthur looks for the Holy Grail", gets battles and defeats a Beast. He destroyed his original beloved vision to pander to the lowest neckbeard dominator and created FSN, now he's finally breaking free from that shit and doing exactly what he wants.

I bet you think turkeyshit is a master piece too eh

Nasu certainly does.

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Worse than F/SN and KnK, better than any Fate spin-off. Shiki needs a more active personality if the remake ever comes, but at least the protagonist is a character.

>facebook-tier memes