How's it going Sup Forums. You woke on class realism yet?

How's it going Sup Forums. You woke on class realism yet?

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Only poor people want communism

Nazbol has my sympathy, but you need to swallow the redpill and get over the stigma friend.

Better nazbol than a commie, but you got some things all messed up mate, sort it out

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Nigga how can class realism be a thing if "class" is arbitrary and you can change from class to class with little effort? Nigga just work a little, like nigga stop being an idiot with your money

Nazbol is the ultimate redpill. Hitler's biggest mistake was not destroying the bourgeois class.

Israel changed the meme flag from Europe to Bolshevik

KILL YOURSELF

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>was not destroying the bourgeois class.

Are you retarded or what? why do you think the jews made such a stink, he did exactly that

>you can change from class to class with little effort?
if you think that you don't understand class.
A programmer who earns 100.000$ a year and a burger flipper at McDonalds earning minimum wage are in the same class.
Class is not defined by income, but rather by your relation to the means of production.
The bourgeois capitalists own the means of productions (factories, companies ect)
The working class proletariat works for them.
That's how class works, it's not based on income.
Forget what you've been told. unless you own a business you are not middle class. you are working class.

Class is just a code word for IQ

>Proletariat are the dirty underclass who don't talk real smart and slog through the mines and sewers

>Bourgeoisie are the rich educated people who speak intelligently and have big vocabularies

>If you're born a proletariat you die a proletariat regardless of if you become rich during your life. Class isn't about wealth

Hmm really makes me think. You wouldn't be able to rally "the stupids" very well if you called them that though, huh? And if you told them "alright we need to kill THE SMART PEOPLE, FUCK THEM!"

Nah we'll invent our own terminology. Just like the left always fucking does.

Go fuck yourself OP.

he eliminated the jewish bourgeois but he didn't eliminate the class itself which just made non-jew bourgeois take their place.
You should know this.

Class is the thing, I hate the top jews but also the white-jews as well

>idolizing rich people.
lol, you are such a class cuck. you'll never join those people no matter how hard you work.
>big vocabularies
you mean like pic related?

Sure, but he also raised the working class living standards immensely, imagine you working a single job and being able to buy your own house and support a full family, even having 25% of your mortgage paid for by the government for having a child (stacked up to 4 for 100% house payment)

Not to mention the other various support like holidays paid for by the state, actually helping the homeless and shit starters of life

Compared to soviet union where famine was routine and killed many millions, the middle ground between is worse than the better solution. Why compromise based on "image" and people called an edgelord

In Capitalism the scientists, teachers and thinkers are middle-class, it doesn't reward intelligence, but rather selfishness, lack of morals, and yes a bit of hard work

Just to add, if you are only supporting nazbol because you don't want to put the work in to get your money and home, it's not going to work out.

Put the hard work in, and reap the rewards, not like today where you can work till you have a stroke and still not be able to call a place your home

The bourgeois make only care about profits. They don't follow any ideology, surely you see how that will always be problematic as long as they are allowed to exist.

>not like today where you can work till you have a stroke and still not be able to call a place your home
That's exactly the problem we want to fix.

Listen i agree with you, but you NEED people who are good at managing these things unless you control the entire world economy, otherwise fuckups who you put in their place will fuck things up.

How do you solve this? why not just place the company under state control? the right solution is to dismantle or takeover the big monopolies and support local small businesses to hire locally.

Afterall nazism was about the volk and people, not how rich they could make germany

>He doesn't realise that you control your own means to production voluntarily
Do I have the choice to produce work? Yes I do. Therefore I can control what I do with that work. Therefore I control my own means of production. To what end I decide to work towards is arbitrary because I can choose to stop or do something else at any time.

Middlemen is a capitalist position, as it requires centralised control from an remote body in order to necessitate it.

The choice between work and death is not a choice. Like if I hold a gun to your head and say "suck my dick or ill shoot you" thats not a choice. Capitalism is just this on a much larger scale

I don't know about that, but i am just beginning to side with the nazis and im not 100% on every single policy

got any proof for that though ausfriend?

>Holding guns to people's heads telling them to work or die
>N-no this is capitalism, not literally exactly what happened in Cambodia, China, USSR, etc

Not even trying, are you? Capitalism is NOTHING like that. At all. Capitalism would be "work or don't, do whatever you want, you just have to deal with the consequences."

The only people who make the leap from "I have to take responsibility for myself" to "I'm having a gun put against my head if I don't do this" are the people who... Equate personal responsibility with death.

So tell me, is taking responsibility for your own life really so painful to you that you would say it's equal to being shot in the head?

>the right solution is to dismantle or takeover the big monopolies and support local small businesses to hire locally.
Exactly. Welcome to Nazbol Gang

That's good because Communism only produces poor people...and the few rich rulers.

middlemen require that the higher ups cannot be directly involved in the day to day runnings of things (or else there would be no need for them). In effect they need two things.
1. The owners have centralised control over the entire operation, run through delegates
2. Not only that but the owners have to be in a remote location in order to require paying someone else to supervise things.
If you dont have the first condition then you have a decentralised network of production, which makes efficient profit making impossible as you have no control over what goes on in your factories, and makes the owner literally useless, the most parasitic role possible and the lack of reporting to higher ups means there is not need for a middleman

If the second one is not met then the owners are involved in the day to day running of the production and so can act as supervisors themselves, once again making middlemen useless.

Americans are not allowed in this thread.
>work or don't, do whatever you want, you just have to deal with the consequences.
is what I said happens, and the consequence is death.

SAGE AND REPORT


I HAVE LOYALTY TO MY NATION, NOT MY CLASS

nazbol is about destroying capitalism for the nation dipstick

The poor are too stupid to follow any ideology, at least the bourgeois can be converted.

Oh ffs looks like we are going to have these autists here shilling now

>misusing the term "means of productions"
Your labor power isn't means of production, it's a commodity that you sell.
You don't have as many choices as you might think. You can chose to work for one company or another, doesn't matter what company you chose, you are still only selling your labor to capitalist.
Technically you could start your own business, but do you really think everybody can do that? statistically it's impossible to have everybody be their own boss.
As long as you work for a corporation, i.e. sell them your labor for a fraction of it's actual worth, you are being exploited.

>the bourgeois can be converted.
lol, delusional idiot. At most they will pretend to follow the current mainstream ideology just to sell products.

Scared kike? nazbol and nazism can work their shit out for the sake of putting you to the sword

No, you disingenuous anal carbuncle, that is NOT what you said. You said GUN TO HEAD, WORK OR DIE
That explicitly states that there is a threat of violent retaliation from one or more actors or entities if a specific action isn't done. That is in no way like Capitalism, which is by definition, hands off. There is no threat of violence in Capitalism. Of you don't work, well, congrats, you dont make money. That does NOT equate to BEING VIOLENTLY KILLED. If you don't make money, you know what you can do? Still whatever you want. You can CHOOSE to work, or you can fuck off and do your own thing. Hunt, fish, build a home, read books, write, have kids, everything necessary for life is still open to you. MONEY is just a FACILITATOR, nothing more. It's a means to an end, not the end itself. Now tell me, would you have that option in true communism? Or even just socialism? No, you wouldn't, because those are IDEOLOGIES, not economic models, and participation is MANDATORY or the whole thing collapses.

the dregs of the earth are the dregs of the earth for a reason. fuck your meme dysgenic ideology. it's cringey as fuck if you're not russian.

>Commie calling anyone a kike
>shills jewish ideology that killed millions of whites
kek

>Statistically it's impossible for everyone to be there own boss.

Just use your imagination for a little bit, you have more choices than you think

>the dregs of the earth are the dregs of the earth for a reason.
>implying he's not working class himself.
Lol, do you think you'll ever be bourgeois? keep dreaming faggot.

How about this then?. Suck my dick or we toss you out into the streets. Any better for you? Any more of a choice?

Show your flag then you kike rat, small details aside the D&C is all you got faggot

>lol
reddit pls go

Shouting kike at everyone when you are promoting (((Bolshevism))) makes you sound like a right autist

Alright bye bye motherfucker, I'll take my chances in the streets

Btw you are still doing exactly the same thing, that's still a threat of violent action if a specific thing isn't done, so, you know... You still aren't really emulating capitalism.

I already am a bolshevik, but I still can't get that "nazi" thing right. Redpill me, OP.

but you'll die in the streets, be poor and hungry and your refusal to suck dick will kill you as you will have no means to survive. You are effectively shut off from society as you refuse to suck my dick. You will never be able to enjoy the fruits of society as you refuse to suck my dick.

>promoting (((Bolshevism)))

Like fuck i am, did you even read the thread before you gave me a (You) ?

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Do you like the existence of white people as an identity and do you wish it would continue indefinitely. If yes you are nazbol. If no then there is nothing that will be able to persuade you otherwise

>Keep dreaming, Faggot
Wow, how defeatist. So tell me, why CANT you be bourgeois? What is stopping you? They have to come from somewhere, it's not like they just magically popped into existence with cigars in their mouths. Hell, there isn't even a static amount of them, people enter into and leave that "class" all the time. So it's not impossible.

When all the commies and the Marxists start naming the Jews, they can be comrades. So long as they're pussies and think it's racist, they're useful idiots for the Jew.

Obviously I don't mean all Jews.
I just find it funny that commies will spout facts like
>The top 8 billionaires are worth more than the bottom 49%
and not facts like this
>The rothschild family is worth 5x more than the top 8 billionaires

We have a common enemy, you're just too big of a faggot pussy to fight.

All these freaking assumptions, man.
How do you know I will die in the streets? How do you know I have no skills to survive? How do you know the fruits of your society are even good? How do you know I even want to be part of your society?

How do you know? Keep in mind, as an australiana, you are literally proof that people can be dumped into a wasteland with no society or help in any way and create a functioning country out of it. Just saying, it probably wasn't communism that helped you do that.

>popped into existence with cigars in their mouths
Well yes basically, they are born into it.
>people enter into and leave that "class" all the time.
>implying anybody smart enough can start producing computers and cars without vast amounts of capital.

Explain how anybody can become bourgeois. Small business doesn't count as that would merely make you petite bourgeoisie. It's possible to transfer to that class, but the petite bourgeoisie class is ever shrinking as they can not compete with large corporations.

You're trying to create an analogy to explain the "inherent exploitation" in capitalism... Your last (you) explains why your analogy is invalid.

If you must have an analogy regarding dicks that properly explains capitalism, here
>If you suck my dick, I will provide you with a home and means for survival
>And if I refuse?
>Then I won't provide you with said means and you'll have to find another way.
>But I'll die without these means!
>Better get to sucking then!
>Oh wait McDonald's is hiring and actually I have an MBA so I'll just go ahead and get a high paying career

IQ correlates really well with class and productivity.. Race, ethnicity, culture are reasons to side with people weaker than you. Class isn't which is why your movement teems with resentment and unpleasant people and has no sense of community.

If youve already chosen to live a life in the streets rather than suck dick then its clear that you dont have what it takes to survive anyway, because despite claiming the virtues of capitalism, you yourself are unwilling to do what you dont want to do in order to survive.

>How do you know the fruits of your society are even good? How do you know I even want to be part of your society?
That is not how you answer a thought experiment, you dont simply deny the situation the thought experiment is in and get a free win

>How do you know? Keep in mind, as an australiana, you are literally proof that people can be dumped into a wasteland with no society or help in any way and create a functioning country out of it. Just saying, it probably wasn't communism that helped you do that.
You have literally no idea as to how australia grew, so I would shut it because your burger education has already proven to be shit so far we dont need any more proof in the form of the humanities.

>And on the eigth day god created the bourgeois, and said haha fuck the proles

Ah yes, you are right, like when bill gates had all that capital when he was welding bits of plastic in a garage. And how Notch had all that capital when he made Minecraft as a weird Lego fanfiction. You don't need capital. You need common sense, the ability to put your skills to good use, and you need patience and dedication. That's all you need to improve your lot in life.

Also, small business are not only competing with monopolies (socialism) but also the socialist policies of the government (mandated healthcare, taxes) and low skilled low cost immigrants flooding the market

Does that answer your concern, or did you wants specific, step by step guides for making money?

quite frankly you burgers never cease to amaze me at how terrible your thought processes are. How you can completely miss the point of a little thought experiment and instead just try to sidestep the issue instead of confronting it.
Because sucking dick was an analogy for the acquisition of money via work dipshit, (i.e having to do something you dont want to do in order to survive) even with your MBA you will still have to spend the same time sucking dick, you'll just have a nicer home at the end of the day.

You again, stop with your crypto-sovietic-nationalism

>IQ correlates really well with class and productivity..
Except it doesn't
University teachers and scientists are all debt ridden middle class

>thought experiment
having a boring office job that lets you live a comfortable life is not equivalent to sucking dick to stay off the street but it's clear that you would have pretended that it was if he had just answered
Stop arguing so dishonestly.

It is actually. Unless you find a job that you enjoy you are still essentially sucking dick (i.e doing something you dont want in order to survive).

No you're not, you're stupid. Stop playing retarded word games.
Listen I can be convinced on the usury question but if you're in unmanageable debt it's because you've done something retarded.

Trotsky is the NazBol's enemy. He was an internationalistic communist. Stalin is our boy. Socialism in one country he preached. Get yourself educated man. Or you might be the next one with an ice pick stuck in your skull.

Until you brainlets create an economy that functions better than the ones we have please just fuck off

Its not a retarded word game. I could have said "bang your head on a wall or else you go on the streets" but ultimately sucking dick was a better analogy as it doesnt hurt the sucker and it can be endlessly done.... just like work

>Surviving on the streets is a different kind of survival than sucking dick, you don't understand, one is good survival and the other is bad survival two totally different things, ugh you just don't get it

I'm sorry my free thinking and ability to abstract things outside of what you deem acceptable triggers you so much. That being said, your argument STILL boils down to "you either do what I say or I commit a violent act against you AND THOSE ARE YOUR ONLY OPTIONS YOU HAVE NO CHOICE"

but user
You have a choice
You have options
I'm sorry you are so morally defeated and nihilistic to see them
But they are there

>bill gates
There are ofc exceptions, but bill gates falling out of the bourgeoisie is impossible even if he had a stroke and his brain activity reduced 99%.

Is it really a violent act. If you cant pay the bills then you can live in society. And the only way to pay the bills is to suck dick. I literally just replaced the word "work" with "suck dick" and this makes society entirely different from contemporary society somehow.

Boring work is not demeaning in the way sucking dick is. If you weren't stupid you wouldn't have to play these silly games.

doesnt matter, you are still doing something you dont like in order to get by.

Are you special?

Stubbing your toe is not the same as being stabbed to death.

dddddddKILLALLeeeee

You are trying really hard to sidestep the issue and render the thought experiment null, when in reality I just exchanged one similar action for another.

One is repeatable. The other is not. Both work and sucking dick are repeatable

This is simple. Sucking dick and accounting are not the same thing just because your ideology requires you to understand them as the same to even function. Accounting is mildly frustrating. Sucking dick is degrading to a degree that the vast, vast majority of people would not do it for money.

Bill gates isn't an exception, though. He did everything the right way. He innovated, he identified a market, he built a product for that market, he worked patiently and diligently, he wisely used his profits to identify more markets and innovate more products for those markets, and he rinsed and repeated it. That is how you do it. That is how you do good at the capitalism. That is how you capitalist. You don't blow your money on stupid shit, you don't jump into it without research, you don't make the wrong product for the right market, you don't make the right product for the wrong market, and you don't sit on your ass withoit improving your products. People fuck up and fall out because they screw up one of those things. Is that the fault of the system, or the fault of the person?
I guarantee you that you, yes you, right now, could become "bourgeois" if you did exactly what bill gates did with your own product and market.

Of course, it begs the question, why the hell would you want to be bourgeois when your socioeconomic class has been proven to have very little if any impact on your happiness, buts that's a whole other discussion

So we shoot homeless people for not working?

The whole crux of the analogy was that I substituted work, which is endlessly repeatable and doesnt particularly harm the person doing it and people dont like, with sucking dick, which is the same but people hate more. You havent found a hole in my experiment, you've literally found the point. The equivalence works on all levels except that people dislike sucking dick more. That is actually the point that I was making, that most people would find an incredibly similar system distasteful but somehow accept this one.

Yeah, the money grabbing jews surely will Listen to reason and will see why exploting an ilegal and paying him a peanut its morally wrong and he should hire natives for a decent payment

>If you cant pay the bills you can't live in society
Okay good deal? Thanks?
Except, you know, that is still really disingenuous because that wasn't your original position. Paying bills means I've agreed to a contract, yes? A contract I entered into VOLUNTARILY, if this is capitalism. So I'm totally fine with ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY CHOICES(my original position)

However, if this is communism we are talking about, there is NO VOLUNTARY CONTRACT. The contract is mandated and enforced through the threat of VIOLENCE supported by the STATE, your "society" you are going on about. So if that is the case, where SOCIETY ITSELF is the one who perpetuates violence against me against my will without my consent and without a means to negotiate a contract, why wouldn't I leave said society?

>the same but different in this essential way
okay mate i can't be bothered any more.
Henry Ford is basically the exact person you're describing.

Commies get the oven.

Would be kinda fun, but no, we just stop enabling them and let nature run its course

There is no threat of violence, you dont suck dick, you dont get to eat. You dont suck dick, you dont pay the bills so you dont get to eat. Thats the choice, so that means that you would "voluntarily" suck dick right?

>the same but different in this essential way
Yes thats how a thought experiment like this is meant to go, thats the point. If you compared two literally identical situations there is nothing to compare

>There is no threat of violence
Except, you know, the gun to my head

we changed scenarios dipshit, like ages ago. You dont suck dick, you cant pay the bills so you get kicked out on the street. So because there is no direct threat of violence deciding to suck dick would be voluntary.

>Wow its almost like if I dont eat food I die, how can food be this oppressive? What if I dont want to eat food, am I supposed to STARVE?
You are acting incredibly childish, stop believing in spooks like workers rights. The proletariat is good for nothing else but being poor menial laborers, they lack skill or talents that allow them oppurtunities. Hierarchies are inevitable because of human variation, people are not and never will be equal.

>>Wow its almost like if I dont eat food I die, how can food be this oppressive? What if I dont want to eat food, am I supposed to STARVE?
Eating food is a biological need, however the way you get it doesnt necessarily have to be via capitalism. Thats a really terrible analogy.

You literal australoid. I understood your analogy. It is you who has missed the lesson.

Your analogy
> If you don't work, I will cause your failure

Real world
>If you don't work, I will not give you successes and you'll have to figure it out on you own

If you don't see the vast difference... I guess go downstairs and ask your mom

>Those who can't do, teach

Would NazBols argue for everything to be nationalised? Even small businesses etc

Actually it was
>If you dont work, the system will cause your failure, or at the very least you will be forced to live outside of it and will be unable to enjoy it
You are really clutching at straws to deny the analogy.

>We changed scenarios because I said so
Okay? I don't give a fuck about your argument then, I'm arguing how capitalism is voluntary while communism isn't and how capitalism is better for everyone because of that fact, and how embracing capitalism actually eliminates the problems that communism says are so bad but doesn't actually fix.
If that's your position, then yea sure fine whatever I agree with you. Voluntarily sucking dick is much better than being forced to suck dick with a gun against my head? Obviously? Congrats, we are both capitalists, great job.

>implying University professors don't do research and contribute to the field.

not necessarily the smallest of business.
If you had a talent for hand crafting neat little clay pots and wanted to sell them, that shouldn't be a problem.
When you start employing people to make pots for you and then you sell them at a profit, then we have a problem.

Nigga what the fuck are you on about. Americans are literally the most retarded people on the planet.
And you categorise "suck dick or else you will end up homeless being unable to pay the bills" as a voluntary action. Noice