USA's "conservatives" are idiots

From Kaczynski's manifesto

50. The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can’t make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values.

51. The breakdown of traditional values to some extent implies the breakdown of the bonds that hold together traditional small-scale social groups. The disintegration of small-scale social groups is also promoted by the fact that modern conditions often require or tempt individuals to move to new locations, separating themselves from their communities. Beyond that, a technological society HAS TO weaken family ties and local communities if it is to function efficiently. In modern society an individual’s loyalty must be first to the system and only secondarily to a small-scale community, because if the internal loyalties of small-scale communities were stronger than loyalty to the system, such communities would pursue their own advantage at the expense of the system.

52. Suppose that a public official or a corporation executive appoints his cousin, his friend or his co- religionist to a position rather than appointing the person best qualified for the job. He has permitted personal loyalty to supersede his loyalty to the system, and that is “nepotism” or “discrimination,” both of which are terrible sins in modern society. Would-be industrial societies that have done a poor job of subordinating personal or local loyalties to loyalty to the system are usually very inefficient. (Look at Latin America.) Thus an advanced industrial society can tolerate only those small-scale communities that are emasculated, tamed and made into tools of the system. [7]

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53. Crowding, rapid change and the breakdown of communities have been widely recognized as sources of social problems. But we do not believe they are enough to account for the extent of the problems that are seen today.

Schizophrenic guy who sat in a cabin building and shipping bombs to government buildings said it so it must be true

He's a lot more intelligent than brain-dead retards like you. His Manifesto is well-reasoned.

>brain-dead retards like you

>my 70+ year old autistic virgin basement dweller schizophreniac serial killer of an idol has an IQ of 167 therefore I must be just as smart and special as him, tee hee

I'm afraid his redeeming qualities are not the ones you two share, you snowflake complex ridden pseudo-intellectual buffoon, lol.

He has a lot more shit to say about the left then he does the right. It is actually quite funny

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Kazinsky was smarter than you. His problem was he didn't see the big picture. He failed to see how using the systems and technologies he raided against to prove his point would ultimately only serve to prove him wrong.

Does wanting to kill for a purpose necessarily make someone schizo?

If so, we need to rewrite all of human history.

The Ted pill is the final pill.

One does not negate the the other

the whole manifesto thing was rationalisation for his withdrawal from society, he was a socially awkward autistic sperg from the get go unable to adjust to society to the point being around people was a constant reminder of his shortcomings... so he just ran to the woods instead

His problem was that he was MK Ultra'd in the 60s/70s.

Basically, he's just ranting about how degenerate the american (((system))) is and his own impotence to regenerate it.

Well yeah. That was a big part of it.

People didn't even know what MK ultra was back then.

can you highlight what specific parts of theses 50-53 you feel are incorrect?

He's afraid of change, really it's the dehumanizing that's the problem. Getting disconnected from the roots.

not schizophrenic
sat in cabin, shipped bombs

most us faggots WISH we had balls big enough

>make sure to put comma lol at the end, it makes you seem aloof and above the argument entirely

this. we shitpost on Sup Forums, ted shitposted irl

holy shit, do they make retard hats in your size?

That isn't social awkwardness, it's brutal perceptive honesty about your fellow man. He saw that people ARE FUCKED, saw WHY they are fucked, and decided he could either do NOTHING, or try to accelerate the INEVITABLE COLLAPSE.

YOU
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Julius Evola also says something similar to 50-53:

“America ... has created a 'civilization' that represents an exact contradiction of the ancient European tradition. It has introduced the religion of praxis and productivity; it has put the quest for profit, great industrial production, and mechanical, visible, and quantitative achievements over any other interest. It has generated a soulless greatness of a purely technological and collective nature, lacking any background of transcendence, inner light, and true spirituality. America has [built a society where] man becomes a mere instrument of production and material productivity within a conformist social conglomerate”

― Julius Evola

For a mad killer with direct connections to MKULTRA he is certainly articulate, isn't he? His manifesto is broad and often dazzlingly inciteful, yet ultimately he chose to put his thesis into effect by bombing random normies in parking lots. He's an anomaly compared with the usual folks groomed as clean up boys.

when antifa starts punching the real Nazis, Wall St. Bankers and corporate CEOs, then I'll know we've arrived.

until then the left are simply toadies for Soroas and the deep state neocons and neo-liberals


I have to say how the corporatists played #OWS people was pretty interesting. It's actually worse than when the Neocons took over the Tea Party.

here's a little piece of advice so called left-anarchist

if someone on the right is against the wars, he's on your side.

you can disagree on fucking everything else, but that shit can be worked out, the power and the money is in the corporate run wars.

>Mugshot
>Shorter than 5'2
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>You’re not allowed to support a thing if you dislike the adverse side-effects it may have
Good to know. Guess we should stop making all drugs too

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antifa defends the corporate state, they are strictly a reactionary movement

That's not the point, you brainlet. The point is "you can't have your cake and eat it". Conservative ideals are mutually exclusive from desires for rapid industrialization. That's his point, you idiot.

I tried to listen to a reading of his manifesto online, everyone of them suck.

even looked for a good documentary, but they were all like Frontline, cover ups.

if you got any suggestions, please link
thanks

>52. nepotism is bad l-look at latin american QED

Tbh just look at how retarded and naive the conservatives are.
They never propose any drastical change, nor do they promote or even come up with revelutionary ideas.
What are they doing? How are they strengthening the family unit? How do they get young people towards "trad-life"?
How do they combat the weapons of the left?

WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY EVEN TRYING TO DO?

It's true that technology and more generally capitalism is directly at odds with traditionalism. They are fundamentally incompatible.

The conservatives are just like most people, they want to eat their cake and have it too.

Illiterate faggot. That's not what he's saying. Goddamn you are a fucking idiot...

He's saying nepotism cannot be practiced without regard for skills in the present industrial system, since one's loyalty to the system has to transcend small-scale communities due to needs of efficiency. He's criticizing this from a sociological angle.

And what exactly did he do in the woods?

Build bombs and exploit the post office.

Exactly, he was sperging out and dragging everyone else down with him.

>Illiterate faggot
>you are a fucking idiot

Tone down the autism a bit, please.

I think you missed my point, ironically

He's lamenting the fact small-scale societies are disintegrating due to a "quest for profit, great industrial production, and mechanical, visible, and quantitative achievements", to quote Evola here:

The Jews seem to be doing exceptionally well

Why the fuck are you even commenting, Hungarians are irrelevant. You're like a Turkish Russian, nobody cares.

You tone down your BS. I bet you're the kind of idiot that believes Transhumanism is foreseeable possible in the near future.

kek. very subtle. hats off user

Ted lived life the right way. Sadly we can't all live like him or we would have nothing to bitch about or blow up

we know Soros funnels money to antifa and BLM, but you hope some of them are woke or wake up and see who is really pulling the strings.

look at the alt-right they have very little following, no power and no money and they are the threat?
perhaps they are in the making for later, they'll be taken over just like OWS and the TPers.

As long as money is GOD in the US this is how things work.

I don't know if there's any winning scenario in the future at this point.

I think if there is one it'll either be racial or religious cause you got to pick a GOD to move the masses it seems one is needed for anything to cohesively work.

They are an exception, yeah.

Ted is /ourguy/ (and not an e-celeb) The guy doesn'teven have a patreon.
How can shills possibly character assassinate him?

Checked

Technically, the conservatives in USA are what you call "classical liberals" and the liberals are what you call "progressive liberals". There is no real conservative movement in the USA.

Surprisingly the new movie doesn't side step the MKULTRA stuff at all. It omits the Programmed To Kill aspects of it all, of course, but if he was groomed it was as a clean up boy, just like the rest. Maybe his initial withdrawl was him realising he was dangerous? We only ever hear about the "serial killers" after all, not the hundreds of people brainwashed by the same programme who never went on to murder anyone.

I understand why he attacked random normies, albeit I can't believe he ever imagined that would inspire a mass desertion of technology. Manson talked a lot about the hypocricy of the Green activists "you can't protest the destruction of the planet and then go home and flick on the lights, it doesn't work that way..." and I think the Unabomber felt the same way. I dunno, it's a clusterfuck of brainwashing as to why he was activated, or even how.

he is right fuck conservatives.
all they do is surrender to the jews a little slower.

we don't have a real left, just a larp-left, which deals in an aesthetics of resistance signifiers but is incapable of any sort of organized party discipline. it's also obsessed with its own romantic impossibility. like them or not, the bolsheviks at least had the temerity to ruthlessly exploit chaos in order to seize power. antifa is only capable of cracking the skulls of those they deem right-wing while simultaneously trusting the status quo to resolve any political conflicts. hardly a revolutionary anything

he said conservatives are idiots but for following consumptionism and demanding too fast economy growth which forces people to get rid of their conservative values in order to maintain growth and rapid changes.

it's not like he says conservatives are idiots for their conservative values. Kaczynski didn't like too rapid progress

catharsis is the best term for their style of protest

He criticizes "conservatism" for its modernism.
It's a valid criticism, many on Sup Forums expect traditionalism to come back when that traditionalism they desire so much was for a different level of technology.

I've gotten a lot of mixed messages from them, especially Spencer.
I think he wants to have his little clubhouse and have a good time.

He decided that it will take decades to built something cohesive cause he's lazy and likes to talk and doesn't want to get into the trenches with the working people nor lose what he's inherited. He like the system that keeps him comfortable.

he's really just a frap boy larper.

I'm not saying he's incorrect or doesn't understand the issues, but I don't think he is the person to look to for leadership, BUT he could use his influence to inspire others to step up, yet he doesn't want to let go of the power or potential power he think he has now.

I'll keep looking for more effective leaders and work my way off grid until then.
It's a shame, cause with some will power and organization he could have built the alt-right into a near powerhouse by now.

ted considered the notion of progress in and of itself to be a poisoned chalice. you never know what you're really giving up in exchange for technological convenience and instrumental logic is absolutely irreversible

Hello my white brothers, heed his warning!

T. Pajeet

>T.K.
>guy who got himself put in supermax prison
Opinion discarded.

that should be the primary validation of his ideas, user

Progressives are always marching towards "progress", yet they never define what it truly is. There is no winning condition as progressives in the past are considered radical right today. Can you even imagine what fucked up society lies in wait for us in the future if the leftists we see today will be the far-right in the future?

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>He's a lot more intelligent than brain-dead retards like you. His Manifesto is well-reasoned.
Wow, you literally just called a terrorist intelligent, good job dumb ass. I guess charles manson was just ahead of his time providing "women's healthcare" huh

Your nation's leaders have been terrorists since the 70s. It has been constant war since then.

where did I say antifa was revolutionary?

they are the current corporate pseudo opposition there only to change the subject when needed, their end is to keep the neocon and neoliberal narrative going, to feed the divide and conquer.

I suspect the alt-right will be used in the same way, the alt-lite certainly was.

I don't know if there is a way to break away, or enough time left even to try.

shut the fuck up you stupid liberal trash... get in the kitchen and make white babies and dinner too.

Winning a Peace is much harder and infinitely more nebulous than Fighting a War. Conservatism's main enemy is Convenience, a manifestation of Instant Gratification. How does one fight Human Nature except through education, which even then can be subverted in the moment? We used to have the threat of Hellfire keeping us erring towards the straight and narrow, ie Fear. Perhaps we should try a positive emotional blackmail instead, somehow?

I dunno. My generation was the first for a long while to be worse off security-wise than their parents, and there wasn't even a palgue a famine or an invading army to pin it on. Just the disconnect between wealth generation and wages once currencies became unpinned from bricks of metal and only beholden to other currencies. A lovely time to retire, a shitty time to be a worker. What possible reasons do we have to offer the disenfranchised that traditional ways are best when their own experience tells them the clock cannot be turned backwards?

The only way to break away is to accelerate industrialism for wet dream of Transhumanism. However, I don't believe it's possible and mankind will go extinct by 2100.

I'm not liberal. Technically, the conservatives in USA are what you call "classical liberals" and the liberals are what you call "progressive liberals". There is no real conservative movement in the USA.

manson dindu nothin
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That's because both you and him are complete retards. Supporting technological progress and economic growth in no way impede traditional values and a sense of togetherness that a nation shares. It's ironic that every time you try to say that conservatives are stupid you end up showing yourselves to be a bunch of ignorant retards who have clearly never questioned the caricature of conservatism that you were indoctrinated to believe by a bunch of leftwing retards who have never made an accurate prediction

And yet he's conservative

>Supporting technological progress and economic growth in no way impede traditional values and a sense of togetherness that a nation shares
Yeah, it does. It disintegrates small-scale social groups.

>caricature of conservatism
Technically, the conservatives in USA are what you call "classical liberals" and the liberals are what you call "progressive liberals". There is no real conservative movement in the USA.

And you're a complete retard for believing some twat with no idea what he's talking about simply because you've been indoctrinated to be leftwing like him

T. Every leftwing retard ever

>indoctrinated to be leftwing like him
He wasn't leftwing, you stupid piece of shit. He spends more criticizing liberals. BTW, like I've said, the "conservatives" in USA are technically "classical liberals".

I'm tired of talking to a bunch of idiots like you.

>Wow, you literally just called a terrorist intelligent
So? You think someone doing bad things means they are not intelligent, not sure if you are a massive fool, or arguing like a dumb bitch. No question mister unabomber was intelligent, ignoramus.
"Raised in Evergreen Park, Illinois, Kaczynski was a child prodigy and entered Harvard College at the age of 16. He earned his BA from Harvard in 1962, then his MA and PhD in mathematics from the University of Michigan in 1964 and 1967, respectively. After receiving his doctorate at age 25, he became an assistant professor at the University of California,"
Fucking brilliant, objectively.

That's cute. But 'ol uncle Ted found more than a few things to blow up.

He was a primitivist that hated the leftwing.

That in now way impedes the ability of a nation to have traditional values. You're desperate to believe leftwing bullshit because you're a degenerate who doesn't want to take personal responsibility so you veer to the left so that you can excuse your deplorable behaviour. And no, they aren't technically classical liberals, the classical liberals are classical liberals and the conservatives are conservatives

And I'm tired of retards like you repeating what others say in a desperate bid to sound like you know what you're talking about and to justify your shit lifestyle

I'm getting tired of these straw mans. At least read what you criticize. Ted Kazynski was against the left, you illiterate piece of shit.

You are a philistine piece of shit.

>if I keep repeating it it must be true

so are conservatives. their all-purpose approach is "capitalism is broken, we require more capitalism to fix it"

No, you're a pretentious retard who wants to justify his faggoty lifestyle by repeating what others say without any kind of logical analysis

I think you could even take that further back, at least to WWII, which was followed by Korea and then Vietnam.

After that, under Reagan we had the CIA into everything especially in South America and then making ready for the middle east.

War became a business in the 70s after Israel took over Palestine.

The quickest way to make a lot of money is war and porn. Jews took over the porn industry with VHS and invested heavily in arms development and making secret weapons deals in the middle east and Africa. The wealthiest families in Israel,150k of them, all live off war/weapons dividends. Former PM of Israel Ehud Barak is one of the riches men in the world, all based on war sales. War is never ending because war is what keeps these people wealthy. Further, these people are double dipping by getting loans from the US and then having the loans forgiven. If this was taken apart and shown to the American People they would be outraged and end all funding to Israel, but they also control the MSM in the US, EU and CA.

Americans and Europeans are resourceful and smart people so they took to the Internet, but look who is now controlling twitter facebook and youtube, the most popular forms of communication - the ADL and SPLC.

The Ethnostate should have already stated, white people should be moving in droves to several states taking control before the US and EU are taken over by uneducated war torn simpletons.

we are at war already.

transhumanism is a fantasy the relies on magically infinite energy, which just isn't going to happen

They've been ruining us for a century now. I can only assume God wills it.

>talks about logical analysis
>makes constant basic errors
>can't even Google terms
You're a fucking idiot. Neck yourself.

I agree.

>inciteful

I don't see the end quite that way, I think the owners want to live, just with less of you, but it's possible that robots will take over in the end.

The only questions left then are, what's on the other side and is there one?

Jews are a serious problem, but I don't think the issue is entirely reducible to them.

>would ultimately only serve to prove him wrong.

Non-human technomutts need not apply.

Ted was /pol with no one to meme with.

Maybe if Ted had had an outlet like /pol to vent his social frustrations he wouldn't have bombed all those gov niggers.
He did make some good points.. but, he took everything way too far and ultimately you have to decide that you will eventually be okay with all the bullshit or go on murderous rampages.....

the owner's ownerdom requires a mass of workers to lord it over. injecting robots into the situation as a solution will just lead to the gradual liquidation of owners, as soon as each owner realizes the only advantage lies in turning over management of his assets to an AI. at which point the economy is finished because robots have zero use for capitalism

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I use ebay m8, the wicked choose themselves. TK should have embraced a more selective use of modern technology.

if only ted was younger he would have been one of us

I think Jewish nepotism is a big problem, but the biggest problem, imo, is how "clunky" and deceptive representative democracies are. That is, one can easily threaten or buy out elected officials by lobbyists, Jews, or any number of groups. Most of them are not that strong-willed and out for the benefit of the people. This is why real change cannot come through voting and trusting the system.

Ted Kaczynski, terrorist and sexual harraser.

>le Kaczynski is based
>what? He said something bout mah beliefs? Fuck this bluepilled faggot

You losers are gayer than the trap faggots.