A major diplomatic crisis in Polish-Israeli relations continues. What happened? A quick Rundown:
>2016: Poland decides to adopt a bill that would penalize a use of term "Polish Death camps", misleadingly suggesting Polish participation in Holocaust. Israel backs that idea in joined statement
>A week ago: Israel does a full 180 and decides to condemn a bill. The reason is the fact that the text of planned bill has been changed - instead of penalizing a term "Polish Death Camps", it will now penalize merely suggesting that Poland cooperated in Holocaust or any other crime against humanity. Israeli ambassador in Poland and Israeli prime minister condemn the bill.
>Major shitstorm on twitter occures. Israeli MP posts twit condemning the bill and claiming that "Polish death camps existed". When Polish Embassy twits him back pointing out he's wrong, he claims his grandmother was "killed by the Poles"
>Polish president is ‘flabbergasted’ by ‘violent’ Israeli reaction to Holocaust bill. 'We absolutely can't back down,' Andrzej Duda says, as Israel's envoy to Warsaw meets with his top aide regarding legislation.
>“The historic truth of the Jewish People is not for sale,”
yeah except all the shekels they want based on dubious records you can't verify because of the same exact laws they have
Jackson Kelly
>Jews believe their own lies
Imagine my shock
Henry Clark
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Ethan Green
I honestly don't get what the fuck is going on.
"Polish Death Camps" makes no sense. Unless you are talking about one or the other NKVD run camp which pales in comparison to what everybody means when they usually (mistakingly) use the phrase: Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Birkenau etc.
Why would Israel call Poland holocaust denial if Poland makes it a crime for others to call them POLISH death camps?
Are jews really so stupid as to believe Poland wants to ban the term death camp altogether?
Elijah Cook
>poles litterally talking the fucking truth about Nazi (National Socialist German Workers Party) camps >not denying the camps >not fucking saying they weren't "death Camps" >just saying it was the Germans that put them there >fucking kikes
Nathan Fisher
Reminder that Jews made the entire world believe that Holocaust was a genocide against "Jews".
In fact, it was a genodice against Polihs people.
6 million Poles died in the death camps - 3 millions of them were ethnic Poles, 3 millions - Polish Jews. As there was no Jewish state back then, they were rightful Polish citizens and should be counted as such.
Zionist and Holywood propaganda made entire world believe that the ones who died in gas chambers were mythical "Jews". And now they additionally want the world to believe that Poles, the biggest victims of WW2 in Europe, participated in Holocaust.
Bentley Johnson
Nevermind, didn't read first, now I did:
>The reason is the fact that the text of planned bill has been changed - instead of penalizing a term "Polish Death Camps", it will now penalize merely suggesting that Poland cooperated in Holocaust or any other crime against humanity.
You know this is ridiculous.
Christopher Diaz
Yeah, communists Jews killed you, not the peaceful Germans
Lincoln Watson
>You know this is ridiculous How exactly?
Blake Perry
he's ukrainian jew himself
Nathan Martin
>Yeah, communists Jews killed you, not the peaceful Germans
Colton Perez
They got the BitCoin Memeo and are going to expel the jew from Europe
Get the ready bwois
Colton Brooks
HEY YOU !!! POLISH BOY!!!! COME OVER HERE!!! WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY !?!?!?!?!?!?
Because you are a holocaust denier and historic LIAR if you make the stupid, vapid, brain-dead claim that "there were no Polish collaborators"; "no Pole helped Nazis" etc.
True, there were comparatively few compared to, say, Ukrainian collaborators, but still. Putting people IN PRISON for daring to say Polish people collaborated here and there is putting historians in prison who have written books about it.
Levi Gray
ruh-roh looks like poland is going to have to deal with significantly increased demands to receive refugees to atone for... i mean..to help out the poor people in need.
Wyatt Scott
Yep, this is our stupid government with its stupid ideas
Aaron Clark
If poles do not feel blame for the death camps and distance themselves from them, then the jews will never be able to demand reparations. This is how the jew works.
Julian Ortiz
are we going to ever get to a point where israel doesn't have something to fucking gripe about? they were given an ethnostate of their own, no body is bitching in this ridiculously anti ethnostate time about the israelis and their stupid wall, or their incredibly racist and exclusionary means of living. why do we let some people get away with this shit and cry foul if anyone ever comes close to offending them, but a nation full of people who dont want outsiders to come ruin their country as its happened over and over in recent history, why are they then the bad guys? this is absolute bullshit, and israel should keep its mouth shut before the US decided to allow its neighbors to wipe it off the map, they're like the shitty kid that is aloud to hit other kids and get away with being a brat because their dad is the ceo of the company or some nonsense. its amazing how hypocritical all these 'victims' are.
Jaxson White
>muh 6 million >there were gas chambers guyz >I watched a movie why are you on this board? are you lost?
David Gonzalez
Don't back don't Poland
Benjamin Hughes
>How exactly? because there were examples of collaboration you idiot and that law could very well be used against those kinds of things
Owen King
>two populist governments that thrive on conflict conspiring to stir up conflict for mutual benefit >'oy vey it's another shoah/o kurwa it's another partition' Can you not.
Michael Rodriguez
>there were no Polish collaborators >no Pole helped Nazis Nobody claims that, brainlet.
It is obvious that there were Polish snitches who sold the Jews out for money. HOWEVER: 1. Ther were no more than few thousands of them. 2. They were instantly sentenced to death by the Polish Home Army for their collaboration. 3. There was NEVER a collaboration between Poland and Nazis on the state level, or the state discrimination against Jews.
So accusing the "Polish nation" of cooperating with Nazis of participating in Holocaust is nothing else than a lie.
If we want to accuse entire nation for action of individuals, then Israel is equally responsible for actions of Jewish communists who murdered members of anti-communist resistance in Poland after WW2.
Adam Lopez
there were Jewish collaborators like Soros so did the Jews partake in the Shoah as well?
Second, collaboration is usually seen as a national affair - and by extension an ethnic Pole affair - resulting in the exclusion from the discussion of crimes by ethnic Poles against Polish Jews.[76] Indeed, there is widespread denial of any complicity of ethnic Poles in the Holocaust,[100] up to and including a government attempt at prohibiting the use of phrases which suggest such complicity.[101] Such legislation could further distort the historical record by limiting scholars' freedom of expression.[102]
Indeed, the Israelis are right to call you out on your fascist legislature-in-making.
Nathaniel Rivera
>Gas chambers didn't happen guise Hitler was a good guy he dindu nuffin is that way
Camden Morales
>1. Ther were no more than few thousands of them. doesn't change the fact that this law could be interpreted in many ways and the government simply fucked this all up
Luis Morris
that's not the point.
Even pointing out to your "few thousand" snitches would result in jail time, if this law passes.
>Unlike in most European countries occupied by Nazi Germany—where the Germans sought such collaborators among the locals—in occupied Poland there was no official collaboration either at the political or at the economic level.[71][72] Poland also never officially surrendered to the Germans.[73] Under German occupation, the Polish army continued to fight underground, as Armia Krajowa and forest partisans – Leśni. The Polish resistance movement in World War II in German-occupied Poland was the largest resistance movement in all of occupied Europe.[74] As a result, Polish citizens were unlikely to be given positions of any significant authority.[71][72] The vast majority of the pre-war citizenry collaborating with the Nazis was the German minority in Poland which was offered one of several possible grades of German citizenship.[75]
Kek, do you even read what you post?
Evan Peterson
Did Poland tell Israel to go fuck themselves yet?
Adam Torres
wow 2 examples
this goy is correct
Benjamin Reed
Polish death camps >Polish death camps
Ayden Foster
Holocaust propagandists have, quite literally, no hard evidence to point to. Camps were doctored after the war (this is admitted), they had 2 inch gaps under the supposed mass gassing rooms, wooden doors, windows... moreover I've seen multiple pieces of footage of people enduring airborne Zyklon for extended periods of time and walking away.
Moreover every single Nazi document speaks of the final solution as DEPORTATION. Moreover all census figures show a net *gain* in jewish population across the world from the start to the end of WW2 (the only ethnic population in europe that GAINED in number). Moreover the camps had recreational facilities, soccer fields, pools, regular organized games. . .
Just a friendly word of advice: when seeking historical context, seek hard, objective, documentable facts, not Speilberg movies, my friend.
Isaiah Reed
>doesn't change the fact that this law could be interpreted in many ways >Even pointing out to your "few thousand" snitches would result in jail time
No, for fuck's sake.
As I said before: Nobody denies that the snitches existed. However, accusing the POLISH NATION of collaboration because of these few cases is an obvious lie, and should be penalized. Af if not, then we have the equal right to accuse nation of Israel for Jewish communist crimes against Poles as well.
Besides, the bill won't penalize the scientific reaserch.
David Gonzalez
yeah, at least twice so far
Jason Carter
Release the Kraken!
Poland has the unique ability to publish the truth about the "death camps". In so doing, they will release Germany from its shackles of guilt and rise again, with Poland as its sacred ally.
If Poland publishes the truth, Germany will defend and protect her to the ends of the earth, but if the truth comes from some other source, Poland could be in the Fatherlands crosshairs for smearing German honor for 75 years.
Poland! Do the right thing!
Aaron Campbell
Ever wondered there is literally nobody from Poland denying that Holocaust happened?
Protip: because there are still people living there who remembered what happened.
It is usually Americans (with their "famous" knowledge of history) who fall for "holohoax" meme and epic pictures on the interent.
You must be pretty confused now, when you see that Poles oppose both Jewish and stormfag lies equally, but I hope your brain can take that cognitive dissonance.
Just a friendly word of advice: when seeking historical context, seek hard, objective, documentable facts, not iconographics on the taiwanese porn forum, my friend.
Hudson Cook
>with Poland as its sacred ally. nigger, they will instantly invade us and jews will stop you from interfering
Nathan Williams
You retarded mut. Those are civilian casualties caused by military operations, some include deaths in camps. Fights, bombardments, uprisings, street executions and many more. In Warsaw alone there were nearly half a million civilian casualties.
Parker Sullivan
>Americans and their reading reading comprehension
You don't get anything, do you?
Nobody denies that Germans were responsible for Holocaust (and many other war crimes).
The Jewish lie here is the claim that it was majorly Jews, not Poles who fell to its victim.
David Brown
Camps happened, deaths happened, and the Polish suffered horribly, far worse (ironically) than their jewish element...
However, when you parrot jewish lies about 'gas chambers', lies that are now easily disproven by anyone with a 6th grade education and a willingness to dig with an open mind and honest heart, you do the world a very real disservice.
The Zyklon was used for fumigation. This, too, is clearly documented in Nazi papers. Those who died in camps died from starvation and typhus. *Please* stop so lazily spreading disinformation. . . it matters.
Austin Kelly
>"One cannot change history, and the Holocaust cannot be denied," Netanyahu said.
You can't change history goy, only we can!
Josiah Nguyen
There are no mass graves at Treblinka despite the claim that 900,000 corpses are buried in one square mile. This is outside of the realm of possibility.
The Holocaust was just propagandists confirming false rumors as true. It is just a series of wives tales.
Daniel Murphy
No, the Holocaust is an enormous farce, designed by Allied war machine to cover the real war crimes they committed.
Name your best piece of "evidence" and I will tear it apart.
Dominic Mitchell
>Muh jail And guess what kind of speech would get you jailed in cuckmany or your country for that matter, schlomo
Mason Reyes
>stop so lazily spreading disinformation you talk like there are Poles employed in holocaust industry
Adrian Nelson
Y'all need to get over your inferiority complex. It will be your undoing.
Jack Hernandez
>Nobody denies that Germans were responsible for Holocaust (and many other war crimes). Have you been on pol before, mate? Are you a retarded person?
Surely you're speaking ironically, in jest, here?
The holocaust propagandists, and their story you so blithely push, is so an obvious lie as to be an insult to any thinking adult. Just stop, please. Beginning to think you have to push your nose to the side to see your screen, you 'Polish person'
Charles Allen
>However, when you parrot jewish lies about 'gas chambers' And yet again you fall for the Jewish lie, as both ethnic Poles and Polish Jews were murdered in the gas chambers.
The use of gas was confirmed in the very early reports of Witold Polecki, a Polish spy, who infiltrated Auschwitz in 1940. The report was released in 1942.
You expect us to believe the Reich that lasted ten years and brought us spacecraft, jet planes and self-guided missiles used some leftover and ineffective poison granules to conduct the most important and secret operation of the war?
No, if Germans wanted to kill Jews they would have designed a Jew virus that killed anyone with Jewish genes within a few weeks. These volk were true ubermensch and the story of the Holocaust comes from a Rube Goldbergian mind, not a Teutonic mind.
Ayden White
Nobody denies gas was used, as I mentioned earlier. It's a leading fumigation agent. It was *not* used on people, nor is it capable of killing people efficiently, under any circumstances. What part of 'there are several videos online of people remaining in a chamber with airborne zyklon B and walking out just fine' are you missing, my friend...
'Schindlers List' isn't historical research. Nice ID, schlomo. Get the fuck off pol.
Adam Rivera
See Obviously, Holocaust wasn't the only crime committed by Germans against Polish nation. Out of others most notable, Intelligenzaktion and AB-aktion (actions attempting to wipe out the Polish intellectual elites) are worth mentioning. I recommend you reading about them.
Isn't the nature of the law talking about institutionalized support? As in support from the Polish state?
Michael Moore
Did Ireland cause the holocaust because they refused Jewish refugees?
Joshua Foster
o kurwa antysemita
Owen Sanchez
>so much noise about mere 6 million dead jews during war time >not a mention about 6 milion starved to death ukrainians by the soviets >no mention of over 100 million deaths in Mao's China and Soviet Union, not to mention all the deaths in African states contaminated by Marxist ideology
The hypocrisy is overwhelming me, this is a good pain.
Adrian Gray
>HOLOCAUST DENIAL Oy Vey!!! Charge them with a thought crime!!!
Brody James
Death camp my ass
Angel Jones
>And completely discredited by all Allied powers Indeed, which only further discredits the claim that Holocaust was orchestered by Allies after the war.
>No, if Germans wanted to kill Jews they would have designed a Jew virus that killed anyone with Jewish genes within a few weeks Which part of "Poles were the main victims of the camps" didn't you get?
>Nobody denies gas was used, as I mentioned earlier. It's a leading fumigation agent. It was *not* used on people According to whom? Meme graphics on the internet and a few "research" done by questionable scientists, debunked long ago?
>Nice ID, schlomo. Get the fuck off pol Going full ad personam, I see.
As I said, I didn't expect your brain of being able to handle the fact that one can oppose both Jewish and Nazi lies at the same time.
Ethan Howard
Jesus, you are still falling for these debunked lies. These allegations were exposed as being Russian atrocities, both Polish and Russian governments have admitted the truth about the Katyn masacars.
The second hand, hearsay sources in those Wikipedia articles are ridiculous.
Rather than talking about documents that prove these allegations, why not produce the actual documents? Oh, that's right, it is actually all just lies based on delusional fantasies of persecution by a volk who was in every way better than your own.
Jack Lopez
let the jews do their thing, when they're done they will have pissed off all races/nations/classes... not a single person will feel bad for them they are all rounded up and systematically exterminated like the animals they are
James Allen
>As I said, I didn't expect your brain of being able to handle the fact that one can oppose both Jewish and Nazi lies at the same time.
Our brains can't all be as big as yours, my friend.
All that extra brain tissue must be where you store your information on how to pose as a Pole on a latvian woodworking enthusiasts forum to try to convince people in the most nefarious lie in human history, which has already been debunked, wholly, from every angle under the sun. Its as if you stumbled into pol having absolutely no idea what this place is. Take your disgusting lies elsewhere, you defame the dead with your dishonesty, truly.
Nicholas Mitchell
If Poles were the target, they would have just created a Slav virus. If they only wanted to kill intelligentsia, they would have built a slaughterhouse for people, not a series of hard to access, inconveniently located buildings of all different designs, including air raid shelters, shower rooms, basements, shacks, barns and even castles.
Try thinking for yourself just a little. Do you know any Germans? If so, you know they love rules. They assiduously followed the Geneva Conventions to a fault. The Russian POWs even had separate camps because they did not sign the Geneva Convention and did not require the same level of treatment.
David Reed
>If you at least actually ATTEMPTED to read the document, you'd realize that it speaks about BOTH German and Soviet crimes against Polish nation. AB-aktion and Katyń were two separate events.
>hearsay sources in those Wikipedia articles are ridiculous
Every wikipedia article contains a list of citations. Queston them, if you feel the need to.
Of course, I don't expect you to be actually willing a truth. Being an American - with your "historical knowledge" probably barely scratching Europe in high school - you have no good will of learning the actual truth, but rather reinforce the myths you've found on this very site (or some obscure stormfront-like forum) and accepted them as "truth" instantly.
>why not produce the actual documents? The PDF file I've posted is a very precise (and objective, as it mentions both Nazi and Communist crimes) essay. I strongly recommend reading it.
>how to pose as a Pole on a latvian woodworking enthusiasts forum to try to convince people in the most nefarious lie in human history
As if you didn't notice, this thread doesn't even revolve about the the truthfulness of the Holocaust, though to be honest I've expected people like you to appear in it sooner or later, but rather the relations between Poland and Israel (and lies that the latter attempts to push against my nation).
As you admitted yourself - your brain is too small to comperhand the fact that there are more than two factions in the world.
Nathaniel Wood
Poland should give us reparations. I want a monthly compensation for the rest of my life from the polish government
Carson Taylor
Never forget the #PolishDeathCamps
Parker Wilson
>If Poles were the target, they would have just created a Slav virus Do you have even a basic knowledge of genetics? Because if you had, I'd assure you that such a virus would have been created long time ago - for example by Jews, to wipe out their jolly Arab neighbours.
>If they only wanted to kill intelligentsia, they would have built a slaughterhouse for people First of all, Polish intelligentsia wasn't only murdered in the camps, but also in the series of shootings usually conducted in forests and other abandoned places. Of which you'd be fully aware, if you actually even tried to expand your knowledge about these events, which you are not.
>Try thinking for yourself just a little. Do you know any Germans? If so, you know they love rules. They assiduously followed the Geneva Conventions to a fault.
In the West - indeed.
In the east, they behaved no better than modern day ISIS. Not only had they committed the massive amount of atrocities and crimes against civilian population - they also stole the art, toppled the monuments, burned the cities to the ground.
They ruthlesness was caused by the fact that they saw Poles (and other Slavs) as "lesser beings" - ironically, such attitude is common among some people up to the date, even on Sup Forums.
>As you admitted yourself - your brain is too small to comperhand the fact that there are more than two factions in the world.
Indeed. First I thought you were pushing a conspiracy theory thats already been thoroughly debunked and is an insult to our intelligence, attempting to get away with it by posing as a Pole contra Jew. Now, I realize its just because my brain is too tiny to recognize there can be more than two factions in a struggle.
Thank you, schlomo! I AM SO EMBARAS
Bentley Walker
First day at the new job, Ari? Tell your manager you need some new material; this is getting stale as fuck.
Thomas Lewis
Pol loves the Polish. Pol does not like ((you)) (pic uber-related)
>in the east, you see, the German immediately degenerates into a wild animal, out for only destruction and blood! I've seen movies!!
Grayson Brooks
I told you poles. Don't make bed with the jew. They will fuck you over.
At least you know now. It's good.
David Rivera
This, but unironically.
I honestly can't believe how dumb you are. You realize that you are antagonizing probably the last reliable ally you had in Europe?
The trick goes on... check on what article USA is going to vote. >inb4 jews move to Poland as "refugees" >gov surrenders to Israel due to USA's intervention >Poland becomes paradise for jews as it's told in talmud
Ethan Reed
We will give you dead and suffer.
Liam Russell
Let's not forget how French Railways companies were paid by the Nazi's to transfer Jews to the camps.
You must be fucked in the head. You've read a few wikipedia articles and you think you know it all. You realise wikipedia is a tertiary source?
Also, the Wehrmacht did not participate in the killings of the Jews. They were simply frontline/garrison divisions. The SS and Gestapo were in charge of the Jews.
kek
Grayson Perez
>I honestly don't get what the fuck is going on.
Poland is challenging Israel and Jews in the BUSINESS of World War 2 atrocity propaganda rewriting. Jews are essentially defending their copyright/monopoly to holocaust fiction.
Nolan Clark
>Jews are essentially defending their copyright/monopoly to holocaust fiction
The Jews already convinced the world that they were the only true victims TM of Holocaust long time ago.
Now, they want to convince the world that Poland, the country that suffered the most from the hands of Germans, participated in Holocaust to get free gibs.
Jose Myers
Gib moni for communism plox
Jeremiah Phillips
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Luis Sanders
Pic related is what I think of Germans but from a neutral (ish) standpoint? The Poles commited atrocities on them that were every bit as bad as what the Germans retaliated with. Poland is a country that died with the PLC and is now just an imaginary fiction.
Josiah Johnson
>The Poles commited atrocities on them
Christopher Russell
A good raw source of info.
Now all we have to do is turning it into a clear iconographic and spread it via social media.
#jewishdeathcamps
Xavier Campbell
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Hudson Edwards
You will have to go reading about that. Did you know that before Germany declared on Poland that the Poles were killing ethnic Germans, boasting that they would be through the gates of Berlin "in 3 weeks" and had invaded and taken Teschen? As I said, I don't hold much value for Germans but I do respect how effortlessly they have annihilated your country over the centuries time and again.
>Poles were killing ethnic Germans, boasting that they would be through the gates of Berlin "in 3 weeks" and had invaded and taken Teschen
Owen Edwards
this but not entire truth. Poland is one of last major white countries without white guilt. In past few years we could've observed a trend in 'art' which focused on polish atrocities against jewish people. It was slow process of putting poles in guilt, based on lies and cherrypicking. Now government for some reason made a decision dedicated to shorten such process. Jews are obviously in fury, the funny thing is that antisemitism might significantly rise after their extremely stupid reaction.
I'm not here to spoonfeed your American-tier knowledge of history. Your fake country invaded land that belongs to ethnic Germans and your people paid the price for it.
Xavier Adams
That was czechoslovakia you fucking moron, pepiks can be angry about it, germans don't have shit to say about it, neither do nazi larpers.
