What are the worst villains in anime?

What are the worst villains in anime?

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I've never understood this meme
It's fucking obvious he wanted to play an MMO with a bunch of people and to avoid people ignoring his game and not taking it seriously he did what he did
Are people really harem MC tier dense?

more like:
>people are trapped in a game by a contraption
>no one can devise a mechanism to free them.

why did they just not cut the power?

why is the author so shit

They would have died
It was explained in the first episode

If you want to bitch about something watch the first ep at least.

his games were pretty succesful

He is just some psycho who tried to use his game to become some god, nothing deep there.

Then how did they transport the people to the hospital without unplugging their gear?

He just feels like a ttrpg DM who gets tired of his players ignoring him and dicking around on their phones so he demands they hand over their phones while playing the game
Nothing wrong with it

Battery in the nerv gear, again it was explained in the first episode
My real question is how it works
Is the nerv gear a standalone pc? Does it do all calculations serverside? Does it use brainpower to do calculations?
Because it was connected to Kirito's pc but I guess that was just to power it

The VR thingies have batteries, wifi and whatever...
You can't question the set up of the autor, just accept that you can't put there things off without killing them.

Griffith.

How will it kill them if you shut it off with EMP?
Honest question, even in-setting it should work.

He's arguably the best villain in the whole series. The rest of them are much more terribly written.
Also Kayaba did nothing wrong.

If the Nerv Gear runs out of power, with the last bit of power it fries your brain
Fucking this, Kirito got a harem because of the man, no wonder they like each other

not only that, the functioning of the gear is retarded. Does it fry you on the spot? Then why does a resurrection item exist? Hell, how are Asuna and Kirito still alive?

Resurection ? Asuna and Kirito died ?
Have you even tried watching the show ?

EMP != running out of power
The 'fry the brain' subroutine can't run on a broken equipment. Try again.

There is a resurrection item, it only works within 5 minutes. How does it fucking unfry the brain?
Asuna gets killed, so does Kirito. If the brain fry is instantaneous, why are they still alive?

Have YOU tried watching the show?

Not that user. I think this whole brain frying thing is just a plot device meant to keep the MCs inside the game. Realistically speaking all the government has to do is gather the victims in one place and use an EMP to fry all the devices simultaneously. If the device itself is broken in an instant, it won't be frying any brains anytime soon. Kayaba only got his dream because everyone outside were too retarded to think of that plan.

>How does it fucking unfry the brain?

I thought it was implied that dying inside the game doesn't immediately fry your brain outside. There's a delay of about a few minutes until the game is sure you won't be revived by another player. Then it fries your brain. That's what the 5 minutes thing was for. The window between death and brain frying.

What would have happened if in those 2 years a hurricane fucked up the power grid and left most of the players without electricity for an extended period of time?

Five minutes are plenty to remove the Gear, the characters in the show do it in a matter of seconds. Then, why don't doctors simply remove the helmet?

The helmet only kills you in real life after you've been dead in game for 5 minutes. It's not directly explained but it's pretty obvious.

Because they have no way of monitoring what's going on inside the game. They don't know whether this guy died or not until 5 minutes have passed and suddenly their brain gets fried. It's not like they have a live camera feed showing them everything going on inside in real time.

They don't have hurricanes in Japan

They do have earthquakes and tsunamis though. But I guess it'd be too much of a coincidence if a tsunami and earthquake happens right when this incident does. Even in real life, those things don't always happen in Japan.

"I'm going to become a god and prove to everyone how special I am" "Fuck, I can't prove how special I am if everyone is dead"

that doesn't matter, if the frying occurs after 5 minutes, you can simply pull off the gear at any time. The frying routine has its own limits, exploiting them doesn't depend on the conditions of the players.

IIRC the helmet was EMP shielded, and since that counts as attempted tampering it'd kill the user
Because it's a different thing
Death by attempted logout is immediate, it happens instantly as soon as someone attempts to remove the Nerv Gear
Death by in-game death happens after 5 minutes

>It's not like they have a live camera feed showing them everything going on inside in real time.

You are telling me that during the release of the most anticipated MMORPG in history, not a single fucking player was STREAMING THAT SHIT? In the second most autistic about videogames country in the world?

Maybe it has some magical anti-EMP tech or something. The Nerve Gear is fictional to begin with, if the author says you can't forcibly remove it then you can't. SAO has plenty of plot holes but somehow people always manage to argue about a plot device that's just there to get the story going.

Not that it matters because it's irrelevant, but the story was originally written in 2002/2003, when streaming wasn't a thing

I think it's more the fact that they cannot stream what goes on inside the Nerv Gear world. The only thing they would be able to stream would be their unconscious bodies lying down in bed for hours. The game itself is being played inside their minds and I doubt you can stream that. Not only SAO, but also ALO and GGO haven't been shown streamed to people in the real world.

Yeah but the problem is how do you know when to pull it off? The 5 minutes thing only applies when someone is dead in-game. But you don't know when they died in-game because you can't see it happen. So if you pull it off at the wrong time, you would instantly kill them. It's likely they tried that and after killing a few dozen people they stopped trying.

Nah, we get told about what makes it 'impossible' to remove. If author just said it's impossible arguing would be pointless, but he added the rules that are supposed to make it impossible (but because he is a retard it created a plothole).

You could always stream the 1st person PoV
Then again I'm pretty sure nobody did it or everyone would know about Kirito in that world

He was a good villain, he gave kirito a daughteru

>Battery in the nerv gear
This thing was so fucking dumb.
The magnetron powerful enough to fry brain in a fraction of second would probably need ~100kW of input power, and the entire circuit would have to be able to transmit such power. Which means no one in the entire company questioned why the fuck they are putting microwave ovens from hell and other overkill parts inside the game console.
And the most stupid thing is, all the people outside would have to do to save everyone was to grab one Nerve Gear, check its construction and find the way to remove the battery or break the brain-frying circuit from the outside.

Ok, on a slightly different note. Do you think it's scientifically possible to create a virtual headgear like the Nerv Gear. I know we currently have Oculus but that's not really virtual reality it's just giving you slightly better 1st person view sort of immersion. So what I'm getting at is is it possible to have a headset in the future where your entire consciousness gets sent into that game world while your body basically goes into a coma until you logout? It seems a bit impossible but then again you have people like Palmer Luckey working on shit like that so you never know I guess.

maybe

The SAO novels are published in my country and we're starting to get Alicization. Is Alicization really that good ? Is it worth going through the awful arcs that precede it ? (or can you jump right into it ?) Im interested in giving SAO a second go because of it.

>make revolutionary VR game
>autist starts ruining the game for everyone by powergaming
>decide to put him in his place
>have to use hacks because of just how much this guy was powergaming
>autist asks for leave so he can go fuck his gf
>allow it so the other play can actually play for once and enjoy the game
>as soon as things get a bit more difficult they go running to the powergamer to solve shit for them
>fucking autist figures out the plot twist and spoils it for everyone 25 floors in avdvance
Being Kayaba is suffering

If you try to tamper with the Nerv Gear it kills the user
And Kayab was pretty much soloing the entire thing, whoever asked too many questions was probably used as a "alpha tester" for those overkill components

how would you go about shielding something the size of a headset from an EMP?

Yes. In my original timeline they created something similar in the next 35 years but it isn't used for entertainment yet.

user we have VR headsets with feel sensitive gloves already. They are expensive as fucking shit though.

If you want to mess with consciousness you need to mess with the brain and its reactions which require a fucking implant.

With future tech
How do you make a martix-like helmet should be the real question
This kind of tech is always "20/30 years from now"
Like nuclear fusion

>Like nuclear fusion
We had Nuclear Fusion since 1951 though.

I mean stable nuclear fusion for power plants
It's always "one breakthrough away" and that never happens

I think it is, but developping the tech and implementing it IRL would be extremely difficult. And from a legal standpoint that shit would probably be regulated to death except in Nippon.
>If you try to tamper with the Nerv Gear it kills the user
That's the dumb part, the thing being developped by one person is even more stupid. In a setting that make sense that shit wouldn't have gotten past QC. Even if the guy developped it alone, he's not alone inside the company. There's bound to be at least one engineer checking the device and going "Guys, with the right settings that shit can fry your brain, we should probably do something about it." at the next meeting. He doesn't even need to put the Nervgear on to discover that, just to take one, open it and check the power output and components of the damn thing.

Technically we had nuclear fusion ever since the sun came into being it's just that we didn't make it ourselves. You're right though, we've had nuclear fusion for a long time now the thing is we still don't have sustained nuclear fusion. I believe we've only got a few seconds or so of sustained fusion right now and keeping it going constantly is the main problem for the scientists. If we can get sustained fusion, we'd literally get our electricity dirt cheap, maybe even free. But I doubt oil and gas companies will let that happen. They'd rather murder all the scientists and burn the research than let that happen.

You will never have fusion because you need to master a way to contain it and the only way is mastery of gravity.

You clearly have no idea why Griffith decided to kill all his comrades.

The author probably imagined something like Steve Jobs building a pc in his garage with a friend, and thought "what if it's literally just one dude"
So there wouldn't be anyone else to notice this

It sounds cool for gaming/and other stuff, but how long would it take before it ends up as a weapon, and send people into the Matrix?

Because Thermonuclear Fusion is fucking complicated.

Also you forget humans like half-efficiency and medium returns. I'm sure if we actually tried and poured non-stop funding into we could master it.

>Muh big bad oil and gas companies.
Nah new electric companies would be established and the people who get nuclear fusion out into the general public would be rich.

Burning the research would be retarded and now days such information of an act like that would've hit the public.

>but how long would it take before it ends up as a weapon, and send people into the Matrix?
If you watch SAO, it takes literally the first time it's released to the general public

>I'm sure if we actually tried and poured non-stop funding into we could master it.
This holds true for almost everything
Look at the middle of the 20th century, from the 30s until the end of the 60s tech developed in absolutely incredible way, in 40 years the entire world was completely changed
And that's because governments were pouring a neverending amount of money into scientific development

We already have a fusion reactor which generates more energy than it consumes. It's obviously still a long way till it's commercially viable, but we've just recently made a big step towards that.

>If you want to bitch about something watch the first ep at least.

I do not remember by what mechanism the shit is supposed to kill them with, but given that the interface was non intrusive, suddenly unplugging them all else being equal would not cause damage to them.

that means the mechinism that the dude is using to kill them is a physical one and thus it has to abide by the laws of physics.

if I remember correctly the method of killing was supposed to be heat based, as far as I know(and I am no physicist) it takes roughly 5k joules to heat 1kg of water 1 degree our heads are 5kg and thus we would need 25k joules to heat our heads 1 degree, say heating our head 4 degrees is enough to kill us, even given that it would take 100k joules which would have to be delivered in a fraction of a second if that.

so the thing would have to be more than 100kw of energy which is impossible given that outlets generally only support a tad more than 6kw.

This thread is so much cancer.
There's a lot to complain about in SAO, but the nerve gear is pretty logical.
I think the author originally had some other idea, like the nerve gear killing the consciousness/soul of the player, or some shit like that, but the publishers made him change it to something more scientific.
It's impossible for now. Don't expect that kind of technology in your life time.

Yes, but that's not the case here. It can't work because there's hundreds of thousands of those being shipped. One man can't produce even a thousand high-tech shit by himself over a short amount of time. And if he's selling it en mass he'll have to submit himself to regulations and controls, especially for something like the Nerve Gear. Unless he has unlimited money and godlike corruption capabilities, he's never going to have his death device going unnoticed.
So yeah if he did a hundred of those and shipped them out himself, it might have gone unnoticed (at least it's more believable), but not a thousand and definitely not hundreds of thousand.

How would you even use it as a weapon ? I can see the military applications for training troops, interrogations and simulations for new tech, but I can't see it being directly used as a weapon since you need to capture the ennemy and strap him in a chair before you're able to use the device on him, wich makes it the worst weapon ever. Unless you somehow manage to use it for terrorism like in SAO, bu in real life that kind of plan would be killed in it's infancy.

We already have a fusion reactor which generates more energy than it consumes, bitch boy.

Even now we are still changing.

Just compare 2007 to 2017 and you will notice a large gap in technology + medicine and more, though the culture and living hasn't changed revolutionary wise there is still a huge difference between the two.

This. Tech progress may have slowed down since the Cold War ended but it's still going on pretty damn fast. Even in the span of about a decade we've improved quite a bit in terms of technology, especially in the field of electronics and the internet. Medicine too to an extent.

Would the machine be able to generate that many joules because its constantly running.

This also brings up an important question. What the fuck was the scientist going to do if the machines overheated and shut off by iitself? Does the player get an instant kill?

>playing a VR game where dying or losing results in your brain getting fried
I unironically think this is pretty cool. SAO could have been a good setting but they wasted it.

You can't do it on a large scale for a long time because there is no way to contain it.

It's too hot and too fast. You would need to look it up to understand. I obviously don't understand it enough to explain to you.

Basically think of it as balancing on a tight rope and once you lean to either side you fall and there is never a way to stand perfectly straight without ever leaning.

>It's fucking obvious
Nothing of what you said is obvious. The game was insanely popular and by locking people into the game on day one, he was limiting the playerbase to people who preordered or got one of the limited copies sold on launch day.
If his goal was to just play an MMO with other people, then his final plan wouldn't have been to betray his guild and take his place as the boss of the 100th Floor.
Nor would killing innocent people be in any way related to playing vidya with strangers.

There is an much easier way to implement the Nerve gear system in real life but there are more side effects (brain infection, scarring of brain tissue from prolonged implantation). For one killing the player in the real world system would be really easy as you will have to directly plug their brain into a computer via wired connections. Invasive brain interfaces are pretty advanced for being so hard to research in real humans. Within a life time for invasive brain interfaces is trivial.

Non-invasive is probably physically impossible due to physics and all. Your brain only produces tiny signals and it is extremely hard to send signals into the brain accurately from a distance to generate say an entire visual field of view. This presents a massive localisation and signal to noise problem which invasive implants completely avoid by directly plugging into areas of the brain.

It was electric
It could be a simple electric impulse that stops the heart, causes a heart attack or does other damages

The implication is that the Nerv Gear doesn't fry your brain for 5 minutes, which how the resurrection item works, and how Kirito and Asuna lived, because the game shut down within 5 minutes of their deaths.

>first mongol invasion of Japan
>second mongol invasion of Japan

>I obviously don't understand it
Evidently.

>If his goal was to just play an MMO with other people, then his final plan wouldn't have been to betray his guild and take his place as the boss of the 100th Floor
>he doesn't play open world multiplayer solely to betray people and gain power

I'm more interested in how they maintained an internet connection so the guy doesn't auto die while connected to the game.

Sword art online is garbage anyway so why bother looking further into it though

The kill switch was retarded you just have to incubate them and then dunk them into a vat of liquid gallium. The metal would block all EM radiation or electrical shocks as they would just go through the ~30degC liquefied metal. The liquid metal would also rapidly short out the electronics and battery while safely routing any dangerous energy through the much more conductive metal. Gallium vs. mercury is relatively safe and is not flammable.

Much more than you do though.

I don't know what you're talking about, but it sounds interesting

If you say so, hakase.

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>It was electric
Then just use a faraday cage.
Holy shit it's retarded.
What did I even expect.

Why the fuck did the patent office not question the brain frying machine in the nerve gear and why was there no perfunctory government inspection of the devices before they hit the market?

And who the fuck did he contract to assemble these things? Wouldn't a factory owner also say what the fuck is this brain frying thing doing here? Because if word gets out that you've been willingly assembling child killing machines your business is pretty much over forever.
Also what if there was a powercut that affected the players? Would they all die? Because that'd be fucking retarded.
SAO would have never happened in a sensible universe and shit like this makes the idea untenable.

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Doesn't the company who owns wanted to collect personal data of users and sell it to other people and the Japanese government was also involved in the scandal?

Then the guy who made the NervGear threw an autistic fit because he wanted to be about video games and not hacking the mind.

How would a Faraday cage protect you from something strapped onto your head?

Then he should have been involved with PK guilds and the like, not leading the largest unified PvE guild doing the most work into beating the game. 2 years and thousands of dead innocents is a lot of time to sink in to one face-heel-turn where your "betrayal" is just revealing that you're the guy who trapped everyone in the game, and that you'll be waiting on the last floor for them when they reach it in probably another year.

Either way you want to interpret it, it was horribly handled and written. So even if you don't believe Kayaba "just forgot" (even though that's the only stated reasoning behind his actions), he's still one of the worst villains of all time.

If you dunked the people in a small pool of liquid metal is an easy way to rapidly form a faraday cage around the patient's head stopping any microwave/electrical kill switch from affecting them.

You introduce it between the Nervgear and the head. A metal strand at a time if need be.

>implying kawahara put time into writing this guy and didnt went "if kabaya does this it will so fucking cool"

This is why you should use a liquid metal (gallium is suitable) to form the faraday cage it would easily flow into and around the headset and rapidly shield the patient and destroy the killswitch at the same time.

>The kill switch was retarded you just have to incubate them and then dunk them into a vat of liquid gallium
Where are you going to get a vat of gallium?

Just line the area between your head and the nerve gear with aluminum foil, retards.

If any government agency was even remotely interested in saving the lives of its citizens, assembling enough gallium to do so wouldn't exactly be a problem. Even then, just ring up the US. There's no way the states wouldn't help collect enough gallium to save lives. It's not like this is a covert thing the japs want to keep under wraps. It's a national crisis and anyone who can solve it would be seen as a hero.

Because it would only be game if none of this happened.

Now it was for real and people where fighting for their lives.

Are you actually implying that a vat of gallium is impossible for the government to obtain in order to save the lives of 10,000 people in what should be regarded as the largest terrorist incident of all time?

Gallium is easily purchased online. Hospitals could easily order it in bulk with government funding.

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Kinda hard to do that quickly if you can't take it off their heads without killing them. Liquid metals work much faster with the same effect.

Also added bonus is the metal is highly corrosive to other metals but relatively safe to skin. Which would help it destroy the headset entirely.

What if the helmet is airtight around the head?
Would aluminium even work?

>yfw people who sell Gallium doubles its price.
I know I would.

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My assumption was that the second you used the nerv gear it forced your brain to set up an inherently lethal cardiac rhythm that only the gear could counteract. Or it outright suppressed your natural cardiac rhythm and beat your heart for you.

But even then arguing logic in anime is pointless