Why does the idea of an united Europe capable of competing economically with the USA and China to put Europe number one...

Why does the idea of an united Europe capable of competing economically with the USA and China to put Europe number one again make Sup Forumstards so angry ?
Isn't it supposed to be a good thing ? Or maybe do you like your American masters too much ?

i never thought it was and i don't understand why everyone on here is so anti-pan-europeanism

jews HATE the thought that an italian and a german might look at each other and feel some sort of kinship with each other.

the EU is obviously bad because it's controlled by (((them))), but pan europeanism isn't imo

Because grand ideas like that fall to pieces in Europe. I'm quite happy with American hegemony. If they became a dictatorship or authoritarian that would change. Or if they tried to rule over us. Why not get rich as fuck in the EU, help Central Europe get to Western levels ASAP and guarantee the next century is Western and not CHINK with our American brothers?

The problem is the political union. Noone, except Amerifats and some delusional Bongs, are against the EU as a economic union throwing its weight around in the world.

You can't make a united Europe because they're all too diverse and have had different upbringings to where they are today. The US came to be because the original 13 colonies didn't like the brits and wanted to get rid of them

Not that hard to understand faggot

because EU doesn't represent Europeans, it represents millennial socialists and niggers.

>united Europe
then why does it import niggers?

>I'm quite happy with American hegemony
Hello brother, never forget we are mutts

Because Europe doesn't give a shit about the rest of the world.

Bongs aren't against the EU being an economic union, that's why loads still want a sniff at the customs union. Bongs are against the EU as a political union.

They couldn't even begin to compete with the economies of the US or China. Germany is the only one with an actual productive economy and everyone just feeds off them. It's headed for collapse with the UK leaving. Those espresso swilling fuckwits in the rest of the EU are in for a very unpleasant surprise.

We really need to stop China. Trump is right. I've friends who've visited Shenzhen and coastal China. They are already ahead of us in many areas. They are sucking Russia dry of IP right now and will do the same to Europe. All Russia has to offer them is jetplanes, raw material and oil. They are relentless.

Nigger free markets and even somewhat free travel between very homogenous nations is good, but this is completely outside of EU. Every bullshit they spout is not even them.
Economic union is outside of the EU and the Schengen sphere isn't the EU either.

You're a retard. Europe is an agricultural superpower. The Single market will take another 20 years to fully integrate and you will start to see it compete as the V4 rise.
Europe breaths with two lungs East and West

>stop china

lol, with what? refugees?

jew shilling another jew?
im so confused senpai

Because kikes control the (((EU))) and flood my continent when niggers.
Fortress Europa fucking when?

Stop aquisitions. Engineer a short trade war to stop them fucking with their currency. Start vocational training schools asap. Massive infrastructure planning asap and offer incentives to lure supply chains back to the West. Punish corporations looking to cut costs.

China has built an ecosystem of manufacturing. It is getting more elaborate over time and they are making products that are average/good but simply are cheaper than Western made.

Also more investment in robotics and phd programs.

We must keep hating each other because it's the best way to keep loving our own culture and people.
I could never consider myself united with a kraut or a rosbeef. Would accept a latine and catholic (led by France, Spain, Italy and Portugal) European union though.

the only thing keeping the swiss confederation together is our shared hatred for the"others". we simply hate them more than we do each other, and believe me, that means something.

like the brits for the muricans, europe needs an enemy to unite it, other than something like that happening i see no chance for an united europe

>Engineer a short trade war to stop them fucking with their currency.

they're propping UP their currency brainlet. anyways, you can do all of that, but the truth is the world loves cheap goods, whether it comes from china or not. that's just economics

If it was a European Union like what Sir Oswald Mosley proposed, than I would be all for it. Not this Marxist shit that's flooding Europe with the 3rd World

>offer incentives to lure supply chains back to the West
>Punish corporations looking to cut costs.

punish capitalism. yeah, that's not going to go down well

Yeah, many of us are agreeing with you. You are just a bit ahead of the curve on that point.
You had a pretty sweet deal inside the EU: get a rebate, veto further political integration, op-out of the Euro, have a German-British relationship for some market liberalisations. I don't want to shittalk Brexit - I'm glad you put a dent into the EU - but you threw away a lot for an uncertain future. I hope it works out for you.

>I've friends who've visited Shenzhen and coastal China. They are already ahead of us in many areas.
Yeah, China is playing the geopolitical game perfectly. They may be shit at soft power but they are really putting up a show in the rest of their game.

>They are sucking Russia dry of IP right now and will do the same to Europe. All Russia has to offer them is jetplanes, raw material and oil.
I wish we could get to some kind of agreement with Russia. All of the Russians I met in Germany (there are quite a lot of them visiting) are telling me that China is not their friend but a staunch competitor, not an ally. Russia needs allies when the giant in the east awakes. All they've got are these funny central asian countries and they are playing China and Russia against each other. They aren't Russia's allies either.
If Russia would quit being a dick to everyone in its surrounding and if the EU wouldn't be hellbent on their """"""""European values""""""""" nonsense then we could come to a strategic agreement with them that would satisfy everyone - even the butthurt belt.

Simply because it would be used to suppress democracy and push for more unpopular stuff like migration and islamization. I have nothing against Europeans moving here btw

I want a new Roman Republic, I don't want to share a country with snowniggers

It should be entirely obvious to everyone by this point. This is trash bait, you chinks should be gassed too.

Italy x Germany forever

>Start vocational training schools asap.
Pls explain.

>offer incentives to lure supply chains back to the West
We need to push forward automatization hard. Incentives never worked. They take the incentives and fuck off a year later. You can't escape cost-cutting reasons with incentives.

>Also more investment in robotics and phd programs.
Exactly. Selling Kuka was a grave mistake.

Stop hiding behind a meme flag amerimutt.

china is youthful, optimistic, energetic, and growing. it's where all the action is. you're like the bitter old hag that's still trying to be relevant. sad desu

That's dumb. Not only it takes the independence of several nations away, but this kind of centralization is dangerous.
To make things clear: Hungary and Poland would have been forced to accept migrants because they would have much less autonomy.

This.

the truth is, you'll just never be competitive if you impose restrictions on companies with strings attached. like human rights and shit. economics doesn't speak fee fees

Plus, it is pretty much what the globalists want. Erase the concept of nation state in order to eventually achieve onw world government.

They are devaluing their currency and using it to purchase US bonds. This keeps the dollar strong and inflates their currency. The Euro is similar but not as blatantly aggressive. They dump their steel to put companies out of business and are lying fucks. They steal IP and are very duplicitous in business deals. They have their eyes on Germany next to take their expertise from them.

The Germans make the machines that make machines. Well the Chinese want that too.

Also play India off against them and France should reopen their military bases in Djibouti.

China are pushing the OBOR for years because they know America will strangle them with a naval blockade at Malacca

He seems so happy, cruel world

I am actually a big supporter of a pan-European confederation of sorts, but not the current one.

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What you guys do with skilled apprenticeships. Its not uniform in all of Europe. Also a fund to get fusion ASAP. The key industries are green technologies/IT and extracting more resources from less. Start tax breaks for couples to have more children and subsidies for creches.

who cares. today it's china, tomorrow it's russia, next day it's india. you're just salty that your influence is waning. it has nothing to do with china, even though you direct your venom at them now

Because you don't understand the organization, it's goals, it's leadership and how it runs idiot.
It's a kike run fourth reich that is trying to destroy every country within it through immigration and being paid to do so

>I wish we could get to some kind of agreement with Russia.

maybe you could if you weren't so opportunist

>Waning power
I've been hearing for 20 years from Americans how the EU is going to die or how France is in decline. If you have any facts on the ground, you'd know France rules the roost in West Africa. Anglos and Americans have a real disconnect when it comes to this. I've seen the >decline
meme whilst France has toppled or intervened in every little squabble in Africa for the last 30 years.

EU is about 500 million people you know that? And Central Europe is beating China for growth?
I'm not even French btw

It is currently a political union not economic. Britain is Irelands biggest trading partner. Will Ireland have a fair deal that is economically beneficial to them or will they be ignored too further the political project imposed by Brussels?

as long as you have a central bank controlled by goldman sachs people you can't have a decent union.

We would rule the Mediterranean again together, take Gibraltar back and rekt Albion. Without us, krautland would regress to a bunch of barbarians.

I'd rather have a american hegemony than being ruled by Germany, France, Spain and italy. 3 out of 4 are fiscally to far to the left for my liking, and the other one wants to flood europe with shitskins.

Kek. What a fucking faggot you are.

That's what I said.

>The Euro is similar but not as blatantly aggressive.
Bullshit.

>What you guys do with skilled apprenticeships. Its not uniform in all of Europe.
Oh that's what you mean. Yeah, your apprenticeship system is really quite good.

>Also a fund to get fusion ASAP.
Check
Will still take at least 30 years.

>The key industries are green technologies
Again bullshit. Green technologies are a meme for treehuggers to feel better. Noone in his right mind would engage with that inefficient stuff.
Companies are good to greenwash their production though. I wish I had the pic of the soap with the hole in it - because it's environmentally friendly.

>Start tax breaks for couples to have more children and subsidies for creches.
Check again.

I'm with you Ausbro. I want the EU to radically change (it needs to be more democratic, and it needs to stop letting in anybody who crosses the Med), but a united Europe can be a strong global player

can't argue with that at all, thank you kind krautanon

>Catholic nigger
>actual Christians
nigger, go kiss some nigger feet then import 5 nigger refugees in your wife's nigger house
nigger

Still better than an English.
All countries in the union must have common roots : if not language, then religion, racial similarities, historical background, etc. Democratic = demos, people. A a bunch of different people can't work as a democracy. C.F. Alexis de Tocqueville.
>memeflag
KYS

>Why does the idea of an united Europe capable of competing economically with the USA and China to put Europe number one again make Sup Forumstards so angry ?
Sup Forums is like 40% Russian bots and 40% Amerilards. Thank god there's no Chinks.

because this europeism is forced concept. until not long ago we were fighting against each other for centuries

This. The EU hates the European people.

This. Most people don’t give a shit about the EU they like the trade and easy holidays. We should be a union of strong, sovereign nation states of varying levels of integration, if it happens after a hundred years great. But trying to force it I think will drive us further apart.

you can't have economic union without political union
economic union leads to political union
see Germany in 19th century

and?

europe was good when it was divided,non need to make fag unions.

I disagree. There are many free trade zones that never grew towards being one country.
The unification of Germany was inevitable. Everyone wanted it but everyone feared to get the short end of the stick during the process. The Zollverein helped to overcome that but it wasn't the initiating reason.

Is the TPP going to lead to a Chinese-Canadian superstate with Australia as a province?

No. You're stupid

Not a bad idea at all but the power structure was hijacked by shitty people who did shitty shitty things to true Europeans. And you didn't notice that then get fucked faggot