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Ah so back when Marley and the Eldians were still actively at war the king just said fuck it and left and took maybe 20,000 eldians with him to make the walls/population inside the walls and just left the rest of the eldians on the main land high and dry with no leadership and a greatly diminished population?

That is kind of fucked up. Still barely explains why Zeke, Reiner, and Berthold hate them though. That's a giant plothole if you ask me. Reiner and Berthold know that the people inside the walls are pretty much all innocent and this didn't seem to change their minds or directions about anything. That's fucking stupid. The people in the walls have it worse than the eldians in Marley.

I want to kiss him. I want to sniff him. I want to take care of him.

Power of the 9th shifter is to bring Eldians back to life

that's not what you call a plot hole, that's marley propaganda, over the years the eldians in marley have been led to believe the walldians are evil and one day wipe out the entire world

Do you ship it?

Endgame

that's retarded, these are titans not Stands or nen where it can be anything

>Marley and the Eldians were still actively at war
No, the war was already over and Marley had seven out of the nine titans. King Fritz tired of fighting and went to Paradis and brought along everyone who wanted to come, the people who stayed did so of their own volition and it's their own faults that they're in situation they are today. To blame Paradis for any of it is faulty.

I ship SiegxDeath by Levi

Why is she such a fucking retard?

Fuck, I didn't realize it was a picture for ants.

Plot convenience and shitty writing.

>Still barely explains why Zeke, Reiner, and Berthold hate them though.
Propaganda helps with that. The warriors are also raised as child soldiers and taught from day one that everyone on the island is evil. So that is part of the reason why they originally hated the Paradis people.

>and this didn't seem to change their minds
They did realise that it was wrong. That's why Reiner went crazy. But it was too late. They had already killed thousands of people.
Paradis wouldn't just accept their apology and let them live, and if they reneged on the mission Marley would kill their families (well, techinically they would turn them into mindless titans, but still).

>4kb
>119x96
i think you're the retarded one

But Reiner literally knows beyond a shadow of a doubt this isn't true. He lived there for like five years. Berthold knew this as well before the last attack. Why didn't this dissuade them?

Lesbian is satan spawn after all

She was Greek.

If Annie woke up now, implying she hasn't in the time skip, how would she react?

They can't even if they want to. The moment they giveup their mission, their entire family would get titanized.

i don't think you understood the whole point of the recent chapters, it was to show what they are fighting for, what they have lived for, what they joined the warriors for, they can't betray their dreams and goals just like that

we also saw how reiner is not sure about what he's doing and his mother figured out he has changed but he can't put all his family in danger by betraying marley just like that user

This is a good, satisfying explanation that makes sense to me. Thanks.

God damn Reiner and Berthold have/had it the worst in this entire series. Absolutely sandwiched between this shit with no outs. At least Zeke and Eren still get to believe they are doing what's right and no matter how bad it gets, they died doing everything they could for the people. Reiner and Berthold basically are aware they have done absolutely terrible things and have nothing to show for it and no way out.

she doesn't think she'll be forgiven, there is no way, she'd be ready to be killed

also there's the song about Annie written by Revo

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Yeah I got it now. Thanks guys.

we don't know what zeke's doing, he has his own plans, he's hiding the fact that he has royal blood

Manlet lost his chance to kill Zeke because he forgot when Erwin said that that cart titan seemed smart.
If anything perhaps he doesn´t need to fight against Zeke again having Eren and Armin (and FT?) now.

Very wary and trying to scape by all means possible.

>Intelligence stats: Historia - 4/10; Ymir - 7/10
What is the truth?

Guidebooks are cashgrab memes for children, that's the truth.

>Tap directly into the source of all organic materials
>Create person a new body
>Use eldian connection/time fuckery to transfer their mind into the new body
Necromancer titan confirmed

After Eren used the coordinate Ymir intelligence dropped to 1/10 where her only motivation became to return the Jaws titan to Marley side and kill herself saying sorry she lived at all.
her not being able to say in the letter why she did all that for her enemy sake pretty muc hshows all how she ahd fallen for Isayama changed plot to create marley shifter side as story development.

Ymir is just her little baka. Also I think they mixed up her wits stat with her battle skills, because she had 6/10 there. They switched these in merch cards.

>"Volunteer" self to be eaten
or
>Get raped and tortured by Marleyans before being force fed to a warrior

Well, that's just how I see it. Glad I could help.

BR gave her a chance to escape.

SC is canon after the timeskip

Is the same faggot making all the OPs? That's really cancerous.

Sasha will kill Gabi or Gabi will kill Sasha.

Sasha will kill Gabi

Gabi isn't going to die, Falco will join Eren and she will be his nemesis because she will consider him a traitor.
If Gabi ends up dying it will be by Falco's hand.

Dog shit is here, say something nice to her.

If Falco ends up eating Reiner and becoming the AT won't he also get his memories?
Will Falco end up switching sides?

>irrelevant but cute meme potato girl
or
>death flags central but cute war crimes girl
tough choice. They are both cute without too much substance as characters.
I hope Sasha doesn't die though, I like her more.

To be fair someone named Porco shouldn't really be allowed to say anything about anybody else's name.

She stinks!

if that were true, kruger's info about "marley wanting to use the eldians on the island or kill them all" would become contradictory since 9th could revive them, there would be no 'or' in his sentence

besides I doubt any shifter is that power much like ymir fritz, this is still totally retarded even for isayama

Annie is made for Bert cock

>Will Falco end up switching sides?
Well Ymir switched side after her Marcel memories awakened by Eren using the coordinate, so by the same logic Galliard would be the most possible outcome to go for SL side if Ymir memories would trigger him with Historia images.

Falco is a smart one, he knows this whole deal is fucked up, if Gabi dies i wonder what he will do

> next chapter in two weeks

I miss my walldians

I love my little boy so much. We're making some special treats for when his Daddy (Erwin of course) returns home from work.

no walldians for this year user

Your predictions?

He didn't make many appearances, but I quite like Kruger.

Kruger is fucking handsome, and his plan would have worked if not for Grisha's shitty parenting.
All his sacrifices nearly got flushed down the toilet because of him.

>kruger's memories are too strong and starts affecting eren till their personalities become interchangeable

I wouldn't mind abomination Eren, maybe we could learn more about thr previous AT holders.

Kruger himself admits Grisha's plan was great and approved of Grisha's efforts in full. It's hardly Grisha's fault, he did the best he could.

Kruger was just a fully-realized adult Eren that always pussied out whenever it came to taking real risks with results. If you mean his mellow demeanor then yeah, after the timeskip I can see it happening. This hobo doesn't strike me as the sort of person to make a lot of conversation.

>It's hardly Grisha's fault
It's all Grisha's fault for being a retarded extremist piece of shit.
No child condemns their parents to death unless he was abused psicologically like Sieg was.

Jean version of SNK OP 2: youtu.be/Q_DXkVHhxSI

>that always pussied out whenever it came to taking real risks with results
Owl was literally a spy. That alone is risky as fuck. He is responsible for the feeding who the information to the rebels. That is also risky as fuck.

HMM WHO NOSE?

Where are you people getting these shots from

Jean will inherit the Beast titan from Zeke by eating him and then he'll have the power to turn into a Horse beast titan.

The manga?

You're the extreme one. Grisha gave Zeke that role, sure, but it can hardly be called abuse. Moreover, Zeke at present is even further a hypocrite since he's doing EVERYTHING Grisha told him to do. If Grisha knew that shifters were condemned to thirteen years of life after getting their titans, too, Kruger noted even he would have hesitated. He cared for Zeke, but also wanted Zeke to play adult games. Considering Kruger was aware of his plan and approved it, you'd also have to be blaming Kruger as well.

She deserved it, right?

Reiner is so handsome.

Yes, but at the same time in his small amount of screentime it was well-established that even he considers himself to be watching the world through a closet door, too afraid to really go into the danger to take risks. Even as an adult, he can't do it. I think it's an interesting character trait, like you said he's a spy, which feeds into not taking huge risks that could blow his cover. He had the anger and the drive for freedom, enough to use the Attack Titan, but never to make gambles. And that's fine. He still did his mission to the fullest, Grisha did as well.

Rosa deserved life.

Grisha tried to brainwash Sieg by imposing a child soldier role on him with future genocide in mind.
I call that bad parenting.
Kruger put a lot of trust into him and he fucked up.

Hansamu~

tfw Kruger told Zeke to out his parents

He did nothing wrong.

>with future genocide in mind
Just reviving Eldia and freeing Eldians from Marley rule. Even if you strip this of context, it's not a bad thing. Grisha did fuck up, but not by any extreme extent, it was Zeke's own doing that undid everything he and Kruger were both working for, along with all the rest of the secessionists. A single seven year old child sent their plan down the toilet, sent them to Paradis, and eventually he still did it anyway. What a mess.

Oh yes, Kruger was definitely afraid of fucking up and avoided certain things because of it. Seeing what happens when you get caught scarred him pretty badly.
pussied out is a harsh term though.
Both he and Grisha did alright, I think. Together they grew the rebellion (before it all went to shit), Kruger got Grisha with the SnK onto Paradis, and in the end Grisha got the Coordinate.

>Eldians from Marley rule.
And that roughly means genociding Marley. Restorationist hate them too much.
Grisha knew he was a bad parent with Sieg, that he fucked Kruger up, that's why he didn't do anything of the sort with Eren.

>Seeing what happens when you get caught scarred him pretty badly.
Holy shit, I never caught that. That actually made my heart flutter a bit, that's a solid point right there. No fucking wonder he was afraid. Even if he was a shifter, he's still ultimately human.

Actually not totally off the wall. Owl was the source for the Restorationists' Eldian documents, but he didn't believe any of it.

His one mistake was going too hard on Zeke, he and Kruger were both going along with this plan after having worked on it together. And they would've been successful if not for Zeke. Kruger didn't fault him for it and neither should you, they still got done what they needed to get done, if a bit late.

When Eren gets memories of his dad being tortured can he feel the pain too?

Reminder that Kruger was cracking his knuckles before Grisha nearly got pushed.

What if it was the nameless glasses guy that appears when soldiers are taking Grisha and Dina away? Zeke also inherited his glasses.

You're gonna be disappointed then
I'm not even sure we will see the walldians until the very last chapters

>Grisha did fuck up, but not by any extreme extent
Grisha did some things right and some things wrong. Zeke was a big wrong though. Grisha himself admits he committed a horrible sin and fucked up the execution of the plan with Zeke; but the impression i get from his conversation with Kruger was that Kruger thought it was a good idea, just the execution fucked up.

You know how you think back on really embarrassing experiences and flip your shit? The same can be said for painful experiences as well, he probably remembers it as vividly as his father does, and it makes his heart pound and mind panic, but ultimately, no, there's no pain but the fear, I'd say. Try to think of the most painful time you had in your life, and see how the memories make you feel. Something like that.

I think we are going to dwell a little into Eren's flashback and go to the present Eren on Marley talking with Falco.

Like I said, the one and only mistake he made was his father's as well: he didn't consider his child's feelings much. This was amended with Eren where he was always treating Eren with the consideration that he had lacked with Zeke, and to me it seemed like Eren and Grisha had a very healthy relationship where Grisha waited for Eren to ask questions and he very earnestly answered. And also Grisha having been asking Eren about his own motivations as well, it seemed like Grisha was incredibly proud of his son, the way he came to lust for freedom naturally and live up to his namesake.

Of course it was a good idea. Grice would have been a better option to execute it.

It might be a nice, if somewhat subdued, confirmation that the hobo actually is Eren if the next chapter immediately starts off with him on screen.

t. Grice
Grice didn't have a child of royal blood to use the coordinate, unlike Grisha with Zeke. Unless you're implying cuckoldry, in which case I doubt Grisha would have prepped the bull for Dina anyways, he loved her to bits.

Just caught up. What was the general reaction to the time skip? Sup Forums almost always hates them.

I'm assuming we will see the next Paradis invasion through the warriors POV (Zeke, Reiner, Pieck and Polko).

But since Gabi and Colt will inherit BT and AT, its possible that may be sent in as well. Im not sure if Magath or Falco will find a way to go as well.

But I think that as soon as they reach the borders of Paradis, they will be attacked either by Armin or by Paradis Army (Survey Corps, assuming that the army didn't went to a change through the last years).

But Eren will be nowhere to be found.

Yeah, that whole segment where Grisha doubts himself because he never treated Zeke as a human spells that out. Grisha should have read more Kant

I just hope the chapter won't be just warriors flashback
I like Reiner and it's cool to see more about his past but if the manga is supposed to end at chapter 110~ , the pace should fasten a bit, I don't want to rush everything at the end.

>Grice didn't have a child of royal blood
That just shows how much of a shit taste Dina had.

>eren never shows up
>he'll still manage to make up at least half of the chapter discussion just by not having a direct presence

I don't hate it, it doesn't matter at all, it good that marley has been in war for a few years and walldians had time to do their own shit